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Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Î÷åíü íóæåí Âàø ñîâåò Ó ïàöèåíòêè 29 ëåò æàëîáû íà îáùóþ ñëàáîñòü, ñîíëèâîñòü, "ìóðàøêè" ïî òåëó è ãîëîâíûå áîëè ïîñëå ôèç. íàãðóçêè. Ñäåëàëè íåñêîëüêî àíàëèçîâ è â òîì ÷èñëå ïðîâåðèëè Â12 - 155 pg/ml (íîðìà 174-878) ïðè ýòîì â îáùåì àíàëèçå êðîâè âñå - â íîðìå (è ðàçìåðû ýðèòðîöèòîâ), êðîìå ãåìîãëîáèíà (118). Ïðè ýòîì ó íåå ãèïåðàöèäíûé ãàñòðèò. È çà 3 äíÿ äî ñäà÷è àíàëèçîâ íà÷àëà ïðèíèìàòü ëàíñîïðàçîë. (ò.å âñåãî 3 äíÿ ïðèíèìàëà). è â äåíü ñäà÷è àíàëèçà òîæå ïðèíÿëà êàïñóëó ëàíñîïðàçîëà (íå ñìîãëà ñòåðïåòü íàòîùàêîâóþ áîëü). ìîæåò ëè ýòî ïîâëèÿòü íà ðåçóëüòàò àíàëèçà? Íóæíî ëè ïåðåñäàòü êðîâü íà Â12? |
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À ÷òî ó íåå ñ æåëåçîì? Ïðè íàëè÷èè íèçêîâàòîãî Â12 â êðîâè, ïîñìîòðåòü çàâèñèò ëè êëèíèêà è àíåìèÿ îò åòîãî èëè ïðîñòî ñëó÷. íàõîäêà, ìîæíî íàçíà÷åíèåì èíüåêöèé öèàíîêîáàëàìèíà â òå÷. ìåñÿöà ïî 2-3 èíüåêöèè (ïî 1000 ìêã â êàæäîé) â íåäåëþ.
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ñïàñèáî.
æåëåçî íå ñìîòðåëè. Íî ïîñëå íàçíà÷åíèè ìåñÿö íàçàä ïðåïàðàòà æåëåçà ãåìîãëîáèí ïîâûñèëñÿ (áûë 111). À ÷òî îçíà÷àåò "ñëó÷àéíàÿ íàõîäêà"? ò.å. Â12 ìîæåò áûòü "íèçêèì" è âìåñòå ñ òåì íå òðåáîâàòü êîððåêöèè ïðè îòñóòñòâèè ñèìïòîìîâ/æàëîá? |
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Ëåãêàÿ íîðìîöèòàðíàÿ àíåìèÿ â äàííîì ñëó÷àå òðåáóåò èñêëþ÷åíèÿ ñìåøàííîãî ãåíåçà àíåìèè - èññëåäîâàòü ôåððèòèí, ÎÆÑÑ, Â12 è ôîëèåâóþ êèñëîòó. È êîíå÷íî æå, ñ ó÷åòîì êëèíèêè è âñå òîé æå ëåãêîé íîðìîöèòàðíîé àíåìèè - ÒÒÃ. Ãîëîâíûå áîëè íàäî áû îïèñàòü ïîäðîáíåå.
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îáùèé àíàëèç êðîâè:
êîë-âî ëåéêîöèòîâ - 6,2õ10.000/ìë êîë-âî ýðèòðîöèòîâ -4,26 Ãåìîãëîáèí-118 ãåìàòîêðèò-36,8 MCV-86,3 (80-103) MCH - 28,1----(26,5-33,5) MCHC - 32,6---(30-36) RDW - 16,2----(10-26) PLT-353 ------(150-420) PCT-0,268-----(0,100-0,500) MPV-7,6-------(6,2-11,0) PDW - 13,0----(7-20) ÑÎÝ - 12 ÒÒà - 1,8 ôåððèòèí - 46 ìêã/ë. Ãîëîâíûå áîëè â îñíîâíîì - äèôôóçíûå, èëè â òåìåííî-âèñî÷íîé îáëàñòè. íîþùåãî õàðàêòåðà, ñêîðåå ýòî ÷óâñòâî "òóìàíà â ãîëîâå". Ïðè çàíàòèÿõ â ñïîðò.çàëå - ýòî "÷óâñòâî òóìàíà â ãîëîâå" óñèëèâàåòñÿ, "êà÷àåò" è çàêëàäûâàåò óøè ãäå-òî íà 30-40 ìèí. ïîñëå 5 ÷àñîâ âå÷åðà âîçíèêàåò ñîíëèâîñòü, âÿëîñòü, êîòîðûå ÷åðåç 2-3 ÷àñà ïðîõîäÿò. È ê 10 - 11 ÷àñàì âå÷åðà ñíîâà áîäðîå ñîñòîÿíèå. |
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Ïîëàãàþ, ÷òî â äàííîé ñèòóàöèè ôåððèòèí íåñêîëüêî ðåàêòèâíî çàâûøåí (Ñîý 12 ìîæåò óêàçûâàòü íà íàëè÷èå âîñï. ïðîöåññà), åñëè áûë îòâåò íà æåëåçî, òî íåîáõîäèìî ïðîäîëæàòü åãî ïðèåì. ×èñòî èíòóèòèâíî - ïðè òàêîì êîáàëàìèíå â êðîâè ìîæíî ïîäñòðàõîâàòüñÿ è äîáàâèòü 500-1000 ìêã öèàíîêîáàëàìèíà â íåäåëþ è ïîñìîòðåòü çà ñàìî÷óâñòâèåì.
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
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Öèòàòà:
ÑÎÝ - 12 ñ÷èòàåòñÿ çàâûøåííûì ïðè íîðìå äëÿ æåíùèí äî 15? 2 - À ìîæíî ïðèìåíèòü ìèëüãàììó (Â6+Â12)? |
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ÿ ñ÷èòàþ áîëåå òî÷íûì äëÿ äèàãíîñòèêè ÆÄ öèôðó 40 (èëè 39-41), èíîãäà ïðè öèôðàõ 42-70 è íàëè÷èè òèïè÷íûõ ñèìïòîìîâ ìîæíî ïðîáíî íàçíà÷èòü ïð-ò æåëåçà. Ìîæåò áûòü, ÑÎÝ çäåñü è íå ñîâñåì ïîêàçàòåëüíî äëÿ ïîäîçðåíèÿ íà õð. âîñïàëåíèå (îñîáåííî ó÷èòûâàÿ, ÷òî è ïðè àíåìèè îíî òîæå ïîâûøàåòñÿ).
Íå çíàêîì ñ ìèëüãàììîé - ýòî ÷òî êîìáèíèð. âèòàìèí â èíüåêöèè? ß èìåë â âèäó â/ì ââåäåíèå öèàíîêîáàëàìèíà.
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
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Öèòàòà:
Ìèëüãàììó, êàê ëþáûå âèòàìèííûå êîìïëåêñû ïðèíèìàòü íå ñëåäóåò. Ïîòîìó êàê äîêàçàíà ïîëåçíîñòü òîëüêî äëÿ ôîëèåôîé êèñëîòû (ó áåðåìåííûõ) è Â12. |
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Öèòàòà:
2-Ìèëüãàììà â îñíîâíîì ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ äèàáåòèêàìè ïðè ïîëèíåéðîïàòèè... à â äàííîì ñëó÷àå íå ñëåäóåò ïðèíèìàòü, ïîòîìó ÷òî ýòî êîìïëåêñ âèòàìèíîâ, èëè ïîòîìó ÷òî íåò íåîáõîäèìîñòè â Â1 è Â6? |
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ñïàñèáî.
Îñòàåòñÿ îäèí íåïîíÿòíûé, íî ñàìûé âûæíûé ìîìåíò: îòêóäà ó ìîëîäîé äåâóøêè, íå èìåþùåé â àíàìíåçå îïåðàöèé íà ÆÊÒ, íå åâøåé íèêîãäà ñûðîé ðûáû, íå ïüþùåé è íå ïðèíèìàþùåé íàðêîòèêè è ò.ä. , äåôèöèò Â12? Ïî ñóòè, ýòî, äåéñòâèòåëüíî, ñëó÷àéíàÿ íàõîäêà. è ïðè ýòîì, êàê óêàçûâàëîñü âûøå, ó íåå - ãèïåðàöèäíûé ãàñòðèò+áóëüáèò+ãàñòðîýçîôàãèàëüíûé ðåôëþêñ. |
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Multi-reasons, severe megaloblastic anaemia - description of two cases:
We report two cases of young patients (44 and 26 years old) with severe macrocytic, megaloblastic anaemia in course of Addison-Biermer's disease. In addition we found also other reasons of vitamin B12 deficiency. The one of them was chronic autoimmune thyroiditis and the second was, surely, Helicobacter pylori infection. The presented cases confirm the importance of spreading the diagnosis with antithyroid antibodies detection and Helicobacter pylori test in all patients with Addison-Biermer's diseaese. --- 400 adults aged 20 to 40 years old from ...to determine serum vitamin B(12) levels. RESULTS: The mean serum concentration of vitamin B(12) was 268 +/- 125 pmol/L, and no significant differences were found by gender or area. Study data indicate an overall prevalence of inadequate serum cobalamin levels of 42.4% (11.2% deficient and 31.2% marginal); more than 50% but less than 75% of individuals had an intake of vitamin B(12) below the U.S. Estimated Average Requirement (EAR) and 61.2% had IgG antibodies to H. pylori.
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
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Öèòàòà:
1 - â äàííîì ñëó÷àå ìàêðîöèòàðíîé àíåìèè íåò. 2 - ïèòàíèå íîðìàëüíîå. Ïàöèåíòêà - íå âåãåòàðèàíêà. Äëÿ èíòåðåñà ìîæíî ïðîâåðèòü IgG H.pylori. |
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Ïðî ìàêðîöèòàðíóþ àíåìèþ ìíå èçâåñòíî, ïðîñòî ïðèâåë ñëó÷àè êîãäà è ïî÷åìó áûâàåò äåôèöèò Â12 äî àòðîôèè ñëèçèñòîé ó ìîëîäûõ, è ïîõîæå íà ïåðâîì ìåñòå - õåëèêîáàêòåðí. èíôåêöèÿ (èììóíîãëîáóëèíû çäåñü íå ïîìîãóò, íóæåí äûõàò./óðåàçíûé òåñò)
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |