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Âîïðîñû î âàêöèíàöèè Âîïðîñû çàäàþòñÿ â ýòîì ðàçäåëå!

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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #1  
Ñòàðûé 06.07.2007, 13:38
Mazy Mazy âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 03.07.2007
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 33
Mazy *
ïðèâèâêà îò êðàñíóõè

Ïîäñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ãäå ìîæíî ñäåëàòü ïðèâèâêó îò êðàñíóõè è äî êàêîãî âîçðàñòà åå äåëàþò. ß ïëàíèðóþ áåðåìåííîñòü. Êîãäà ìíå ìîæíî äåëàòü ýòó ïðèâèâêó ïîñëå ââåäåíèÿ èììóíîãëîáóëèíîâ (5 óêîëîâ â/ì) è ñêîëüêî ïîòîì íóæíî ïðåäîõðàíÿòüñÿ (3 èëè 6 ìåñÿöåâ - ìíåíèÿ ó âðà÷åé ðàçíûå)?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #2  
Ñòàðûé 06.07.2007, 21:57
Àâàòàð äëÿ Tim Vetrov
Tim Vetrov Tim Vetrov âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.11.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,242
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 29 ðàç(à) çà 25 ñîîáùåíèé
Tim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êàêîé èììóíîãëîáóëèí ââîäèëè?
Âîîáùå, âàêöèíàöèþ ìîæíî îñóùåñòâëÿòü âìåñòå ñ ââåäåíèåì èììóíîãëîáóëèíà è íà ëþáîì ñðîêå ïîñëå åãî ââåäåíèÿ (åñëè, êîíå÷íî, íà ââåäåíèå èììóíîãëîáóëèíà íå ðàçâèëîñü îñëîæíåíèå).
Âàêöèíàöèþ ïðîòèâ êðàñíóõè ìîæíî äåëàòü â ëþáîì âîçðàñòå (íà÷èíàÿ ñ 12 ìåñ.)
Áåðåìåíåòü íåëüçÿ â òå÷åíèå 2 ìåñ ïîñëå âàêöèíàöèè.
Ñäåëàòü ìîæíî â ëþáîì öåíòðå âàêöèíàöèè, èõ â Ìîñêâå äîñòàòî÷íî. Âîñïîëüçóéòåñü ßíäåêñîì.
Âàêöèíà íàçûâàåòñÿ, íàïðèìåð, "Ðóäèâàêñ".
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #3  
Ñòàðûé 09.07.2007, 10:45
AlexGold AlexGold âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 09.12.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,570
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 584 ðàç(à) çà 482 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
General Recommendations on Immunization. Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)

Spacing of Vaccines and Antibody-Containing Products

Live Vaccines

Ty21a typhoid, yellow fever, and LAIV vaccines can be administered at any time before, concurrent with, or after administering any immune globulin, hyperimmune globulin, or intravenous immune globulin (IGIV). Blood (e.g., whole blood, packed red blood cells, and plasma) and other antibody-containing blood products (e.g., immune globulin, hyperimmune globulin, and IGIV) can inhibit the immune response to measles and rubella vaccines for 3 or more months. The effect of blood and immune globulin preparations on the response to mumps and varicella vaccines is unknown, but commercial immune globulin preparations contain antibodies to these viruses. Blood products available in the United States are unlikely to contain a substantial amount of antibody to yellow fever vaccine virus. The length of time that interference with injectable live vaccination (except yellow fever vaccine) can persist after the antibody-containing product is a function of the amount of antigen-specific antibody contained in the product (35--37). Therefore, after an antibody-containing product is received, live vaccines (except yellow fever vaccine, oral Ty21a typhoid vaccine, and LAIV) should be delayed until the passive antibody has degraded [âûäåëåíèå ìîå - AG] ([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]). If a dose of injectable live-virus vaccine (except yellow fever vaccine) is administered after an antibody-containing product but at an interval shorter than recommended in this report, the vaccine dose should be repeated unless serologic testing is feasible and indicates a response to the vaccine. The repeat dose or serologic testing should be performed after the interval indicated for the antibody-containing product ([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]).

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Measles, Mumps, and Rubella - Vaccine Use and Strategies for Elimination of Measles, Rubella, and Congenital Rubella Syndrome and Control of Mumps: Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)

Recent Administration of Immune Globulins

Recent evidence indicates that high doses of immune globulins can inhibit the immune response to measles and rubella vaccine for 3 or more months (221, 222). The duration of this interference with the immune response depends on the dose of immune globulin administered. The effect of immune globulin preparations on the response to mumps vaccine is unknown. Blood (e.g., whole blood, packed red blood cells, and plasma) and other antibody-containing blood products (e.g., IG, specific immune globulins, and IGIV) can reduce the immune response to MMR or its component vaccines. Therefore, these vaccines should be administered to persons who have received an immune globulin preparation only after the recommended intervals have elapsed [âûäåëåíèå ìîå - AG]([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]) (80). However, postpartum administration of MMR or rubella vaccine to women who are susceptible to rubella should not be delayed because anti-Rho(D) immune globulin (human) or any other blood product was received during the last trimester of pregnancy or at delivery. Such rubella-susceptible women should be vaccinated immediately after delivery and tested at least 3 months later to ensure that they are immune to rubella and measles.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #4  
Ñòàðûé 09.07.2007, 11:10
Mazy Mazy âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 03.07.2007
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 33
Mazy *
Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Òèìîôåé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷!
Áëàãîäàðþ Âàñ çà ñêîðûé îòâåò!
Èììóíîãëîáóëèíû ââîäèëè ïðîòèâ ÖÌ è ÂÏà 1,2 (âñå â òîì æå Ãåðïåòè÷åñêîì öåíòðå), íèêàêîé ðåàêöèè íà íèõ íå áûëî.
À ïîñëå ïðèâèâêè íóæíî ëè ïðîâåðÿòü IgG è IgM, à åñëè íóæíî, òî ÷åðåç êàêîå âðåìÿ? À ïîñëå âàêöèíàöèè ÿ ñâîþ ïëåìÿííèöó (åé 1,5 ãîäà) çàðàçèòü íå ñìîãó?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #5  
Ñòàðûé 10.07.2007, 20:26
Àâàòàð äëÿ Tim Vetrov
Tim Vetrov Tim Vetrov âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.11.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,242
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 29 ðàç(à) çà 25 ñîîáùåíèé
Tim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTim Vetrov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Mazy
Áëàãîäàðþ Âàñ çà ñêîðûé îòâåò!
Êàê îêàçàëîñü, ñëèøêîì ñêîðûé: ïîñëå ââåäåíèÿ èììóíîãëîáóëèíà ñëåäóåò âûæäàòü îïðåäåëåííîå âðåìÿ ïåðåä ââåäåíèåì æèâîé âàêöèíû (à âàêöèíà ïðîòè êðàñíóõè îòíîñèòñÿ ê æèâûì). Óâàæàåìûé Àëåêñàíäð óêàçàë ìíå íà ìîþ îøèáêó â ñêðûòûõ ñîîáùåíèÿõ. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ó ìåíÿ ñåé÷àñ ïëîõîé èíòåðíåò, è ñàéò CDC ïî÷åìó-òî íå ãðóçèòñÿ; åñëè êòî-òî èç äîêòîðîâ ìîæåò óêàçàòü òî÷íûé ñðîê êàðàíòèíà â ýòîì ñëó÷àå, ÿ áóäó î÷åíü ïðèçíàòåëåí.
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Mazy
À ïîñëå ïðèâèâêè íóæíî ëè ïðîâåðÿòü IgG è IgM, à åñëè íóæíî, òî ÷åðåç êàêîå âðåìÿ?
Íåò, ýòî íå ïðåäóñìîòðåíî.
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Mazy
À ïîñëå âàêöèíàöèè ÿ ñâîþ ïëåìÿííèöó (åé 1,5 ãîäà) çàðàçèòü íå ñìîãó?
Íå ñìîæåòå, âàêöèíèðîâàííûå íåçàðàçíû.
Êðîìå òîãî, Âàøà ïëåìÿííèöà äîëæíà áûëà áûòü ïðèâèòà â 12 ìåñ. ïî êàëåíäàðþ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #6  
Ñòàðûé 10.07.2007, 20:49
AlexGold AlexGold âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 09.12.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,570
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 584 ðàç(à) çà 482 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexGold ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Mazy
Êîãäà ìíå ìîæíî äåëàòü ýòó ïðèâèâêó ïîñëå ââåäåíèÿ èììóíîãëîáóëèíîâ (5 óêîëîâ â/ì)?
Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ïîñëå âíóòðèìûøå÷íîãî ââåäåíèÿ èììóíîãëîáóëèíîâ âàêöèíàöèÿ ïðîòèâ êðàñíóõè, ñîãëàñíî ðåêîìåíäàöèÿì CDC, âîçìîæíà (èíà÷å ãîâîðÿ, áóäåò ýôôåêòèâíà) òîëüêî ÷åðåç 3-5 ìåñ. ïîñëå îêîí÷àíèÿ èõ ââåäåíèÿ (áîëåå òî÷íûé ñðîê ìîæíî îïðåäåëèòü èñõîäÿ èç äîçèðîâêè ââåäåííûõ èììóíîãëîáóëèíîâ). Àíàëèç íà êðàñíóøíûå IgG ñåé÷àñ, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, òîæå íè÷åãî íå äàñò, ïîñêîëüêó ìîãóò áûòü îáíàðóæåíû ïàññèâíî ïðèîáðåòåííûå (ïîïàâøèå â îðãàíèçì èç èììóíîãëîáóëèíîâ) êðàñíóøíûå IgG. Îñòàåòñÿ òîëüêî æäàòü. Åñëè ãîâîðèòü î ïðàâèëüíîé òàêòèêå, òî, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, âàêöèíàöèþ ïðîòèâ êðàñíóõè íàäî áûëî ïðîâîäèòü êàê ìèíèìóì çà 2 íåä. ÄÎ ââåäåíèÿ èììóíîãëîáóëèíîâ.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 10.07.2007, 23:58
cthsq cthsq âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 23.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Ïåíçà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 11
cthsq ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Ïîñëå ââåäåíèÿ, êàê ñïåöèôè÷åñêèõ, òàê è íåñïåöèôè÷åñêèõ èììóíîãëîáóëèíîâ ïðèâèâêè îñëàáëåííûìè æèâûìè âàêöèíàìè ìîãóò ïðîâîäèòüñÿ ÷åðåç 4-8 íåäåëü. Ââåäåíèå èììóíîãëîáóëèíà ïîñëå ïðèâèâîê äîïóñêàåòñÿ ÷åðåç 2 íåäåëè. Ñïîñîá ââåäåíèÿ èììóíîãëîáóëèíà, â/ì èëè â/â, â äàííîì âîïðîñå çíà÷åíèÿ íå èìååò. Îò ñïîñîáà ââåäåíèÿ áóäåò çàâèñåòü ñêîðîñòü äîñòèæåíèÿ ïèêîâîé êîíöåíòðàöèè àíòèòåë â òêàíÿõ è îðãàíàõ. Òî÷íî ðàññ÷èòàòü ñðîê ñîõðàíåíèÿ ïàññèâíî ïðèîáðåòåííûõ àíòèòåë íå ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ âîçìîæíûì, äàæå åñëè èñõîäèòü èç êóðñîâîé äîçû èììóíîãëîáóëèíà, êàê íå ïîëó÷èòñÿ âû÷èñëèòü êîëè÷åñòâî âûðàáîòàííûõ ñïåöèôè÷åñêèõ ÀÒ íà ââåäåíèå 1 äîçû âàêöèíû. Ýòè ïîêàçàòåëè èíäèâèäóàëüíû è çàâèñÿò îò ìíîæåñòâà ôàêòîðîâ.
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Ñòàðûé 11.07.2007, 10:52
Mazy Mazy âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 33
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Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî çà îòâåòû. Ïîñëåäíèé óêîë èììóíîãëîáóëèíà ñäåëàëà 26.04.07, âñåãî áûëî ïÿòü óêîëîâ, êîëîëà 2 ðàç. â íåäåëþ ïî 3,0 â/ì.
Ïëàíèðîâàëà âàêöèíàöèþ íà 1 àâãóñòà, à òåïåðü íå çíàþ - ìîæåò åùå æäàòü íóæíî?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 12.07.2007, 09:04
AlexGold AlexGold âíå ôîðóìà
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Ñîîáùåíèå îò Mazy
Ïëàíèðîâàëà âàêöèíàöèþ íà 1 àâãóñòà, à òåïåðü íå çíàþ - ìîæåò åùå æäàòü íóæíî?
ß áû îòëîæèë âàêöèíàöèþ äî ñåíòÿáðÿ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 18.07.2007, 10:16
Mazy Mazy âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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