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À êàê ïî ïîâîäó òàêèõ âûâîäîâ? "Studies of adult patients suggest that nonoperative treatment of clavicle fractures may result in functional disability, but this has not been demonstrated in adolescents. The purpose of this study was to determine the functional outcomes after nonoperative treatment of displaced, shortened, midshaft clavicle fractures in adolescents. CONCLUSIONS: Regardless of patient age, sports participation, and final clavicle shortening, no differences in pain, strength, shoulder range of motion, or subjective outcome scores were found between the injured and uninjured limbs of adolescents treated nonoperatively for a displaced, shortened, midshaft clavicle fracture." - Schulz J, Moor M, Roocroft J, Bastrom TP, Pennock AT. Functional and radiographic outcomes of nonoperative treatment of displaced adolescent clavicle fractures.//J Bone Joint Surg Am. 2013 Jul 3;95(13):1159-65. À êàê Âàì òàêîå? "Clinical evaluation of 16 patients with mid-diaphyseal clavicle fractures and >2 cm of initial displacement was performed; all had undergone nonoperative treatment and went on to radiographic malunion. All displaced fractures treated nonoperatively achieved union. Skeletally immature patients with established clavicle fracture malunions do not develop clinically meaningful loss of shoulder motion or abduction/adduction strength. Routine surgical fixation for displaced, nonsegmental clavicle fractures may not be justified based upon concerns regarding shoulder motion and strength alone." - Bae DS, Shah AS, Kalish LA, Kwon JY, Waters PM. Shoulder motion, strength, and functional outcomes in children with established malunion of the clavicle.//J Pediatr Orthop. 2013 Jul-Aug;33(5):544-50. Òàê êàêèå îáúåêòèâíûå îñíîâàíèÿ åñòü äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû áåç ðàçáîðà è ïîêàçàíèé îïåðèðîâàòü äåòåé íàïðàâî è íàëåâî? Ïîêà ýòèõ îñíîâàíèé íåò. Êàê ãîâîðèòñÿ, èäåò øèðîêîìàñøòàáíûé ýêñïåðèìåíò íàä äåòüìè, ïðè÷åì áåç êàêèõ-ëèáî îáúåêòèâíûõ ïðåäïîñûëîê ê ýòîìó. Âû õîòèòå, ÷òîáû ñûí ÒÑ-ðà òîæå àêòèâíî ïîó÷àñòâîâàë â ýòîì ýêñïåðèìåíòå â êà÷åñòâå ïîäîïûòíîãî? |
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À íàñ÷åò "òðåíäîâ" ÿ óæå íåîäíîêðàòíî ãîâîðèë: îíè îñíîâàíû íà ñîìíèòåëüíûõ äàííûõ "âçðîñëîé" ëèòåðàòóðû. Áîëüøå íè íà ÷åì. Öèòàòà:
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Òåïåðü ïî ïîâîäó ñàìîé ñòàòüè. Âî-ïåðâûõ, îáðàòèòå âíèìàíèå íà "Mean age at baseline was 14.6 years (range: 13 years – 19 years)". Ðåáåíîê ÒÑ-ðà âõîäèò â ýòó âîçðàñòíóþ ãðóïïó? Âî-âòîðûõ, "The purpose of this study was to evaluate the outcome of ORIF of displaced clavicle fractures in a cohort of active, athletic, adolescent patients." Âû óâåðåíû, ÷òî ðåáåíîê ÒÑ-ðà ÿâëÿåòñÿ àòëåòîì è ÷ðåçâû÷àéíî àêòèâíûì ðåáåíêîì? È, ñàìîå èíòåðåñíîå. "This study has limitations. First, it is a retrospective study lacking a matched-control group of age, gender and activity-matched non-operative patients. Second, the study sample of this series was relatively small for a meaningful power analysis, and third, baseline measurements such as pre-operative ROM and strength assessment were not available for a true post-procedure comparison, although in these cases the opposite extremity serves as a reasonable internal control. Finally, although the Quick DASH questionnaire and the SST have been previously used in children, these instruments are only validated for the adult population." Âû ïðèâåëè ýòó ñòàòüþ, ÷òîáû äîêàçàòü, ÷òî îïåðàòèâíîå ëå÷åíèå ó äåòåé áîëåå ýôôåêòèâíîå, ÷åì êîíñåðâàòèâíîå? Òàê Âû ñâîåãî äîáèëèñü, ÿ ïîâåðèë |
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12 ëåò áûëî óêàçàíî.
Íå ñòîèò êëèêóøåñòâîâàòü.  ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû î÷åâèäíî èäåò ðàñøèðåíèå ïîêàçàíèé ê îïåðàòèâíîìó ëå÷åíèþ ïðè ïåðåëîìàõ êëþ÷èöû ó ïîäðîñòêîâ.  îñíîâíîì, ïî ñàìîî÷åâèäíûì ïðè÷èíàì îäíîìîìåíòíîãî è òî÷íîãî âîññòàíîâëåíèÿ àíàòîìèè ñ ïðî÷íîé ôèêñàöèåé, ÷òî ïîçâîëÿåò íåìåäëåííî íà÷àòü ôóíêöèîíàëüíóþ ðåàáèëèòàöèþ. È îáåñïå÷èâàåò ðåçóëüòàòû (äà, â reliable hands), êàê ìèíèìóì íå õóäøèå, ÷åì ðàíüøå. ×òî ðàíåå óòâåðäèëîñü ó âçðîñëûõ. Âîò è âñå. |
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Ïðîñòèòå âåëèêîäóøíî, çàïàìÿòîâàë. Íî âîçðàñò 12 ëåò âñå ðàâíî íå âõîäèò â "Mean age at baseline was 14.6 years (range: 13 years – 19 years)".
Ôó, êàê ãðóáî. Òî åñòü Âû óòâåðæäàåòå, ÷òî ÿ ãîâîðþ íåïðàâäó? Òî åñòü íèêòî íå ïðîâîäèò íàó÷íûå ýêñïåðèìåíòû-êëèíè÷åñêèå èñïûòàíèÿ íà ëþäÿõ, âêëþ÷àÿ è äåòåé? Öèòàòà:
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The review concludes that evidence is insufficient to indicate whether surgical or conservative treatment is best for treating displaced middle third collarbone fractures."- Lenza M, Buchbinder R, Johnston RV, Belloti JC, Faloppa F. Surgical versus conservative interventions for treating fractures of the middle third of the clavicle. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2013, Issue 6. Art. No.: CD009363. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD009363.pub2. ??? Èëè, äîïóñòèì, âîò ýòî: "After 6 months, the benefits of operative treatment were very small, as most of the patients also recovered with nonoperative treatment. The studies provide evidence that nonoperative treatment of middle-third clavicle fractures usually leads to adequate functional results, pain relief, and union rates." - Kaisa J Virtanen, Antti O V Malmivaara, Ville M Remes, and Mika P Paavola. Operative and nonoperative treatment of clavicle fractures in adults. A systematic review of 1,190 patients from the literature.// Acta Orthopaedica 2012; 83 (1): 65–73 ??? Òàê ÷òî, ó âçðîñëûõ âñå-òàêè âñå óæå ðåøåíî îêîí÷àòåëüíî è áåñïîâîðîòíî? Îñòàëèñü äåòè? |
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Èëè "However, early results demonstrate that in young patients with displaced middle-third clavicle fractures, who are motivated to return to work, IMN provides superior functional results and should be considered." [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] "It seems like operative intervention leads to fewer nonunions at the cost of an increase in minor complications compared to nonoperative treatment. However, the effects of operation on functional outcome remains controversial. " [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] Ìîæíî è äàëüøå ïåðåêèäûâàòüñÿ ññûëêàìè, íî âðÿä ëè ýòî èìååò ñìûñë, ïîñêîëüêó âïîëíå î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî íà ñåãîäíÿ "In clinical practice, there is no consensus between surgeons on the choice of treatment for displaced or comminuted midshaft clavicular fractures." [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] |
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Ïðîñòî ê ëþäÿì íàäî îòíîñèòüñÿ ïî-÷åëîâå÷åñêè, óæ èçâèíèòå çà ëèðè÷åñêîå îòñòóïëåíèå. ß Âàì êàê-òî îá ýòîì äàâíî ãîâîðèë. |
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òî ïî÷åìó ÿ äîëæåí ïîääåðæèâàòü èäåþ îá óâåëè÷åíèè êîëè÷åñòâà îïåðàöèé ó äåòåé? Íà êàêîì îñíîâàíèè? Êàêèå ñóùåñòâóþò îáúåêòèâíûå ïðåäïîñûëêè ê "îïåðàòèâíîìó òðåíäó"? Äëÿ ÷åãî âñåõ äåòåé ñ ïåðåëîìàìè êëþ÷èöû âäðóã îïåðèðîâàòü, êîãäà îáúåêòèâíûå ôàêòû è íàó÷íûå âûâîäû ãîâîðÿò îá àáñîëþòíî äðóãîì? Âîò ÿ íå ïîíèìàþ, çà÷åì, ñ êàêîé öåëüþ îïåðèðîâàëè è íàïèñàëè ñòàòüþ ïðèâåäåííûå Âàìè àâòîðû [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] ? Íà êàêèå íàó÷íûå âîïðîñû îíè ïðîôåññèîíàëüíî îòâåòèëè? Äà íè íà êàêèå, ïðîñòî òóïî îïåðèðîâàëè. Íè êîíòðîëüíîé ãðóïïû, íè ñðàâíåíèÿ ñèëû è àìïëèòóäû äâèæåíèé , íè àäåêâàòíîãî îïðîñíèêà äëÿ äåòåé, íè àäåêâàòíîãî êîëè÷åñòâà áîëüíûõ äëÿ ïðîâåäåíèÿ ñòàòàíàëèçà ( "This study has limitations. First, it is a retrospective study lacking a matched-control group of age, gender and activity-matched non-operative patients. Second, the study sample of this series was relatively small for a meaningful power analysis, and third, baseline measurements such as pre-operative ROM and strength assessment were not available for a true post-procedure comparison, although in these cases the opposite extremity serves as a reasonable internal control. Finally, although the Quick DASH questionnaire and the SST have been previously used in children, these instruments are only validated for the adult population."). Äëÿ ÷åãî îíè îïåðèðîâàëè äåòåé? Äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ñäåëàòü âûâîä, ÷òî îòêðûòûì âïðàâëåíèåì ìîæíî äîñòè÷ü àíàòîìè÷íîãî âïðàâëåíèÿ ïåðåëîìà? À äî íèõ î òàêîì íèêòî íå çíàë? Ðàäè ýòîãî íàäî áûëî îïåðèðîâàòü äåòåé? Âîò èìåííî íà îñíîâàíèè âûøåïðèâåäåííûõ ôàêòîâ ÿ è äåëàþ òàêèå âûâîäû î íåîáÿçàòåëüíîñòè âûïîëíåíèÿ îïåðàöèè ó äåòåé. Èìåþ ïðàâî îá ýòîì ñîîáùèòü? Èëè ñîãëàñèòüñÿ ñ òåì, ÷òî äåòåé áåç ïîêàçàíèé íåîáõîäèìî îïåðèðîâàòü? À ÷òî â ýòîì ñåêðåòíîãî? Âñÿ ëèòåðàòóðà, íà êîòîðóþ ÿ ñîñëàëñÿ, àáñîëþòíî äîñòóïíà äëÿ ëþáîãî ÷åëîâåêà, êàê âðà÷à, òàê è íåâðà÷à. Ìîæåò áûòü ÿ "íåýòè÷íî" ãîâîðþ î òîì, ÷òî íàä ëþäüìè ïðîâîäèëè, ïðîâîäÿò è áóäóò ïðîâîäèòü ýêñïåðèìåíòû-èññëåäîâàíèÿ, òàê ýòî òîæå - íå ñåêðåò. Ïî÷èòàéòå êíèæêó: Êðûëîâà Í.Å. Óãîëîâíîå ïðàâî è áèîýòèêà: ïðîáëåìû, äèñêóññèÿ, ïîèñê ðåøåíèé. - 2006, íà÷èíàÿ ñî ñòðàíèöû 173. Âðà÷è-èññëåäîâàòåëè íå òîëüêî íå äîëæíû ñêðûâàòü îò ïàöèåíòà, ÷òî íàä íèì ïðîâîäÿò ìåäèöèíñêèé ýêñïåðèìåíò, íî ÎÁßÇÀÍÛ îá ýòîì ñîîáùèòü ïàöèåíòó è ïîëó÷èòü îò ïîñëåäíåãî äîáðîâîëüíîå èíôîðìèðîâàííîå ñîãëàñèå. Âû ñ÷èòàåòå, ÷òî íåîáõîäèìî ñêðûâàòü îò ïóáëèêè ýòîò ôàêò? ß ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî íåò. Âñå äîëæíî áûòü ÷åñòíî, ïðîçðà÷íî, îòêðûòî, êàê è òðåáóåò çàêîíîäàòåëüñòâî. Öèòàòà:
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Îò òîãî, ÷òî ÿ íàïèñàë âûøå, îòêàçûâàòüñÿ àáñîëþòíî íå ñîáèðàþñü. À ðàçæåâûâàòü ïðèõîäèòñÿ èç-çà òîãî, ÷òî êòî-òî ÷åãî-òî íåäîïîíèìàåò èëè ïî ïîíÿòíûì ïðè÷èíàì íå õî÷åò ïðèçíàâàòü êîå-÷åãî. Óäîâîëüñòâèÿ îò ýòîãî íå ïîëó÷àþ.
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Âñåãäà ê Âàøèì óñëóãàì.×òî, îïÿòü ïðèâîäèòü öèòàòû ïî ïîâîäó ìåäèöèíñêèõ ýêñïåðèìåíòîâ íàä "óÿçâèìûìè èññëåäóåìûìè"? Ïîðÿäêîì íàäîåëî.
Äà, à âñå-òàêè Âû - ãðóáèÿí. |
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Êàê óæå ìíîãîêðàòíî ãîâîðèëîñü, ïåðåõîäèòü íà ëè÷íîñòè íåõîðîøî. |