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cactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Melnichenko Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Äâà ãîäà íàçàä ìû îòêðûëè îòäåëåíèå èíòåðâåíöèîííîé êàðäèîëîãèè ( à ó íàñ åñòü åùå è îòäåëåíèå äèàáåòè÷åñêîé ñòîïû ) ñïåöèàëüíî äëÿ ëèö ñ äèàáåòîì .
Åñòü ó íàñ è îòäåëåíèå íåôðîïàòèè ñ ãðóïïîé ãåìîäèàëèçà . Ïîñòîÿííî âûõîäÿò ðàáîòû íà òåìó ïðîôèëàêòèêè ÊÈÍ è áîðüáû ñ íåé .
Ãàëèíà Àôàíàñüåâíà, ñêàæèòå ïîæàëóéñòà, ïðè êàêèõ ìàêñèìàëüíûõ ïîêàçàòåëÿõ êðåàòèíèíà (èëè ìèíèìàëüíûõ çíà÷åíèÿõ åãî êëèðåíñà) Âàøè ðåíòãåíõèðóðãè áåðóò áîëüíûõ? Ïûòàëàñü íàéòè èíôîðìàöèþ ïî ýòîìó âîïðîñó, ïîëó÷èëîñü âîò ÷òî

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Öèòàòà:
Bartholomew et al (n = 20 479) identified 8 variables that were associated with contrast-induced nephropathy (creatinine clearance <60 mL/min [1.0 mL/s], use of an intra-aortic ballon pump, urgent coronary procedure, diabetes, CHF, hypertension, peripheral vascular disease, contrast volume)
Öèòàòà:
Íî âîò åñëè ðàçäåë -" êàê ñèå íàçâàòü è êòî âèíîâàò" ÿ îñâîèëà ïðåêðàñíî , ÿñíîñòè â ïîíèìàíèè õîðîøî äîêàçàííîé êîððåêöèè óæå âîçíèêøåé ñèòóàöèè ( ÷òîá íà ðàç - äâà -òðè è âñå ïîíÿòíî ) ó ìåíÿ êàê íå áûëî , òàê è íåò
Ìîæåò, âîò [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] êàê-òî ïîìîæåò?

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Melnichenko îäîáðèë(à): ñïàñèáî ! Ñåé÷àñ êîëëåãè â îòïóñêå - ïîãîâîðèì ïîòîì
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Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 14:20
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AMBU ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
thorn, íà ×Ê âçÿëè ÷åðåç 40 ìèí ïîñëå ïîñòóïëåíèÿ â ÎÐÈÒ.
Àëãîðèòìû ó íàñ õðîìàþò, èíîãäà îíè äàæå ïàðàëèçîâàíû èìïðîâèçàöèåé. Òðîìáîëèçèñ ïî ñêîðîé. Ó íàñ - àíãèíîçíûå áîëè ðåöèäèâèðîâàëè, êóïèðîâàëè íàðêîòîé, íî ðåøèëè ïîéòè íà ×ÊÂ. 40 ìèíóò - óãîâîðû. Ñóäÿ ïî öèðêóëþ - ïîíÿòíî áûëî ÷òî ìíîãîñîñóäèñòîå ïîðàæåíèå. Âåçäå - ïîëíàÿ îêêëþçèÿ. Îò ÀÊØ îòêàçàëàñü â ïðèíöèïå.
Çà ýòè 40 ìèí - èíôóçèÿ Èçîêåòà 20 ìë íà ôèçóøêå 200, â îïåðàöèîííóþ òîæå ñ òàêèì æå ôëàêîíîì. Èòîãî: òðåáîâàíèÿ 1ìë/êã áûëè âûïîëíåíû.
Ïî ÝÊà - äèíàìèêà óäèâèòåëüíàÿ, ìû ãîðäèëèñü êàêîå òî âðåìÿ. Ïîêà íàñ íå âûçâàëè ÷åðåç 2 äíÿ.
Íà ñåãîäíÿ: ìî÷è 2300 ìë, ôóðîñåìèä 120 ìã çà ñóòêè. Êðåàòèíèí â äèíàìèêå ñíèæàåòñÿ (248), ìî÷åâèíà òîæå (24). Ïëàíèðóåòñÿ ïåðåâîä èç ÎÐÈÒ â Ê/Î.
Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî êîëõîçíûå ðåêîìåíäàöèè (ôóðîñåìèä 3 ãð, ãîðìîíû è ò.ä.) ïîáåäèëè.

Ï.Ñ.: ýòî ïåðâàÿ ÊÈÍ â íàøåì öåíòðå. Îòñþäà ïàíèêà, ñêàíäàëû è ïðî÷åå.
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Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 14:29
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FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
IODINATED CONTRAST AGENTS (Both ionic and non-ionic contrast agents): If the serum creatinine is > 1.5 mg/dl or GFR is < 60 ml/min/1.73m2, the radiologist will be notified. If the creatinine is > 1.5 in a diabetic patient, > 2.0 in a non-diabetic patient, or the GFR is < 30, and the referring physician and radiologist have determined that a contrast-enhanced imaging study must be done to obtain critical medical information, the contrast may be given after considering the following precautions:
1. Discuss the risks, benefits, and alternatives with the patient.
2. Obtain signed consent from the patient. If patient is unable to give consent, do not give contrast agent unless a physician obtains consent from responsible family members, or the referring physician provides a “double-doc” signed consent indicating the medical necessity of giving the contrast agent. The radiologist must write the order for contrast agent, including the specific agent, dose, and reason for taking the risk.
3. Patient should be treated with one of the following:
a. Mucomyst (N-acetylcysteine)
• Orally, 600 mg twice daily on the day before and the day of the contrast
imaging study, or
• Intravenously, 150 mg/kg over 30 minutes before contrast administration,
followed by 50 mg/kg over 4 hours.
b. Bicarbonate 150 mEq in 1000 cc D5W, 3ml/kg bolus,
then 1 ml/kg/hr x 6 hours.
4. Adequate patient hydration must be maintained (See Section E).
For patients with end stage renal disease who are on chronic peritoneal dialysis, non contrast should be considered and contrast should only be administered after discussion with the patient's nephrologist. For patients with end stage renal disease who are on chronic hemodialysis, the use of high osmolar agents should be avoided

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Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 14:35
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thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Melnichenko Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Êòî õîðîøî ïîíÿë ñêîëüêî è ÷åãî , ìîæåò ïîäíÿòü ðóêè - ìíå ïðèäåòñÿ èäòè çà ñïðàâêàìè ...
Íà÷àòü ìèíèìóì çà 2 ÷àñà, îïòèìàëüíî çà 6 - 12 ÷àñîâ èíôóçèþ ôèçèîëîãè÷åñêîãî ðàñòâîðà. Ïðîäîëæàòü 6 - 12 - 24 ÷àñà. 1 ìë/êã/÷.  ðåàëüíîñòè, êàê ïèñàëà DrDolgova, îáåñïå÷èòü "ìàêñèìàëüíî âîçìîæíóþ ïåðèïðîöåäóðíóþ èíôóçèþ". Åñëè ïàöèåíò ñ ñîõðàííîé ôóíêöèåé ËÆ, òî ëüþ "ñêîëüêî âëåçåò" â çàâèñèìîñòè îò âðåìåíè ïåðåä - 1 - 1.5 - 2 - 3 ë. Åñëè ôóíêöèÿ ËÆ ñíèæåíà (Ô ìåíåå 40%), òî âñå ðåøàåòñÿ èíäèâèäóàëüíî. Ìèíèìóì, ýòî 1 ìë/êã/÷ çà 2 - 6 - 12 ÷àñîâ ïåðåä ×ÊÂ.
Åñëè ïðèãîäèòñÿ êîìó, òî âîò òàêîé àëãîðèòì ó íàñ:

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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 14:48
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
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thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò FRSM Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
3. Patient should be treated with one of the following:
a. Mucomyst (N-acetylcysteine)
• Orally, 600 mg twice daily on the day before and the day of the contrast
imaging study, or
• Intravenously, 150 mg/kg over 30 minutes before contrast administration,
followed by 50 mg/kg over 4 hours.
Äîâîëüíî ñïîðíûå ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî àöåòèëöèñòåèíó. Â/â ÈÌÕÎ íåàäåêâàòíî èç-çà ðèñêà àíàôèëàêñèè, à âíóòðü ïîñëå èññëåäîâàíèÿ [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] (íåñìîòðÿ íà êðèòèêó).
Öèòàòà:
The addition of N-acetylcysteine failed to reduce the risk of contrast-induced nephropathy in patients undergoing coronary and vascular angiography. The findings, from the Acetylcysteine for Contrast-Induced Nephropathy Trial (ACT), the largest randomized study to date, provide solid evidence that N-acetylcysteine is not effective in this setting and should no longer be used for the prevention of contrast-induced nephropathy, according to investigators.

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Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 15:06
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
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ÂÐÀ×
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
cactus1972 îäîáðèë(à): ñïàñèáî, íå ìîãëè áû Âû äàòü ññûëêó íà èñòî÷íèê?


[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #22  
Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 15:23
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
"Äîâîëüíî ñïîðíûå ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî àöåòèëöèñòåèíó."

The popular regimen of oral acetylcysteine, 600
mg twice daily on the day before and on the day of
administration of iodinated contrast media, is simple,
inexpensive, and has few contraindications (although
allergic reactions have been rarely reported). However,
higher doses may be more effective if the agent is
effective at all, and there is controversy over whether
solid (not currently available in the USA) or liquid
preparations are equally effective. Alternatively, an
IV regimen beginning 30 minutes prior to contrast
media administration may be considered (150 mg/kg
in 200 ml of D5W over 30 minutes, followed by 50
mg/kg in 500 ml of D5W over 4 hours). However,
IV administration may have a higher rate of adverse
effects than oral administration.....

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #23  
Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 15:26
Àâàòàð äëÿ AMBU
AMBU AMBU âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.12.2008
Ãîðîä: Àëìàòû
Ñîîáùåíèé: 32
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 10
AMBU ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Ñîððè çà êðàìîëó. Êîëëåãè, ìíå íàìíîãî öåííåé âàøè ïðàêòè÷åñêèå ðåêîìåíäàöèè, à íå ññûëêè íà áóðæóéñêèå èñòî÷íèêè. Ïîæàëóéñòà, ðàçáàâëÿéòå èõ ñâîèì ïðàêòè÷åñêèì îïûòîì.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #24  
Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 15:27
Àâàòàð äëÿ oldangio
oldangio oldangio âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.06.2009
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 952
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 11
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 75 ðàç(à) çà 70 ñîîáùåíèé
oldangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåoldangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåoldangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåoldangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåoldangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåoldangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåoldangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåoldangio ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Èíòåðåñíî ñêîëüêî áûëî êîíòðàñòà, êàêîé êîíòðàñò
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #25  
Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 15:29
Àâàòàð äëÿ AMBU
AMBU AMBU âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.12.2008
Ãîðîä: Àëìàòû
Ñîîáùåíèé: 32
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 10
AMBU ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò oldangio Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Èíòåðåñíî ñêîëüêî áûëî êîíòðàñòà, êàêîé êîíòðàñò
"Êîíòðàñò âòîðîãî ïîêîëåíèÿ, ÍÎÐÌÀËÜÍÛÉ". Êîë-âî - ìíîãî. ß ñèäåë è ïðîòåñòîâàë, ÷òî õîðîø óæå âèçóàëèçèðîâàòü.  ÷åòâåðã óçíàþ òî÷íîå íàçâàíèå êîíòðàñòà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #26  
Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 15:31
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
"Êîë-âî - ìíîãî." À ÷òî òàêîå "ìíîãî"?

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
oldangio îäîáðèë(à): áîëüøå 1 ëèòðà
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #27  
Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 15:37
Àâàòàð äëÿ AMBU
AMBU AMBU âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.12.2008
Ãîðîä: Àëìàòû
Ñîîáùåíèé: 32
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 10
AMBU ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
FRSM, êîëè÷åñòâåííóþ îöåíêó ïðåäîñòàâèòü íå ñìîãó. Ñóáúåêòèâíî - ìíîãî, äîëãî. ß â ãðîìêîãîâðèòåëü ïðèçûâàë óñêîðèòü ïðîöåäóðó. Ïàðàëëåëüíî øëà èíôóçèÿ, îòâå÷àþùàÿ òðåáîâàíèÿì.
Ñêàæèòå ïîæàëóéñòà, êàêèå èìåííî äàííûå Âû áû õîòåëè óâèäåòü. ß èõ íàéäó.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #28  
Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 15:42
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êîëè÷åñòâî êîíòðàñòà/îòêðûòûõ ôëàêîíîâ äîëæíî ïðîòîêîëèðîâàòüñÿ è âíîñèòüñÿ â èñòîðèþ áîëåçíè.

Ìîæåò áûòü, ðå÷ü óä¸ò îá èàòðîãåííîé ÏÍ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #29  
Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 15:47
Àâàòàð äëÿ AMBU
AMBU AMBU âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.12.2008
Ãîðîä: Àëìàòû
Ñîîáùåíèé: 32
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 10
AMBU ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Ðå÷ü èäåò î ÕÏÍ, äåêîìïåíñèðîâàííîé ÊÈÍ. Êîëëåãè ïðîòèâ ìîåé ïîçèöèè. Ñ÷èòàþò, ÷òî ýòî ÷èñòàÿ ÎÏÍ. Íî ÌÛ ÒÎ ÇÍÀÅÌ Åñëè ñåðüåçíî, òî ìíå íåëîâêî. Óãîâàðèâàë íà êîðîíàðîãðàôèþ, â èòîãå-òàêèå ïðîáëåìû.
ß ïðèñóòñòâîâàë ïðè ñòåíòèðîâàíèè. Ïðåäóïðåæàë æå. À íà óòðî êòî êðàéíèé? ß. Ìîæåò ýòî è ïðàâèëüíî.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
DrDolgova îäîáðèë(à): Êîíå÷íî, ÕÏÍ. Ðîäñòâåííèêàì ïîçâîëèòåëüíî ãîâîðèòü, ÷òî ìîë âîò, õîäèë, ðàçãîâàðèâàë, (ïèñàë), à ÷òî Âû ñ íèì ñäåëàëè ñâîåé îïåðàöèåé? Íî íå êîëëåãàì!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #30  
Ñòàðûé 19.07.2011, 16:02
Àâàòàð äëÿ cactus1972
cactus1972 cactus1972 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.01.2010
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,200
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 54
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 355 ðàç(à) çà 331 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 9
cactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcactus1972 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò AMBU Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
...ß ïðèñóòñòâîâàë ïðè ñòåíòèðîâàíèè. Ïðåäóïðåæàë æå. À íà óòðî êòî êðàéíèé? ß. Ìîæåò ýòî è ïðàâèëüíî.
Ïðàâèëüíî.  òîì ñëó÷àå, åñëè Âû íå îòðàçèëè ñâîè ïðåäóïðåæäåíèÿ â èñòîðèè áîëåçíè. ×òî-òî âðîäå "áîëüíàÿ ...ëåò ñ ÕÏÍ èìååò âûñîêèé ðèñê ðàçâèòèÿ ÊÈÍ â ï\î ïåðèîäå.  ñâÿçè ñ ýòèì ðåêîìåíäîâàíî...Ïðîâåäåíû ñëåäóþùèå ìåðîïðèÿòèÿ ïî ïðîôèëàêòèêå ðàçâèòèÿ ÊÈÍ, êàê-òî...".  ñëó÷àå íàëè÷èÿ òàêîé çàïèñè êðàéíèì Âàñ áóäåò ñëîæíî âûñòàâèòü. Âû ïðåäâèäåëè ðèñê ïðîöåäóðû è ïðåäïðèíÿëè âñå âîçìîæíûå ìåðû ïðîôèëàêòèêè.
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