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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 12.03.2009, 16:36
Dronova Dronova âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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êàðäèîòîêñè÷íîñòü àíòðàöèêëèíîâ

Óâàæàåìûå äîêòîðà, õîòåëîñü áû óçíàòü âàøå ìíåíèå ïî ñëåäóþùåìó âîïðîñó.
Êàê çàùèòèòü ìèîêàðä ïðè ëå÷åíèè ïàöèåíòîâ êàðäèîòîêñè÷íûìè ïðîòèâîîïóõîëåâûìè ïðåïàðàòàìè (íàïðèìåð, äîêñîðóáèöèíîì)?
Êàê âû îòíîñèòåñü ê òàêèì êàðäèîïðîòåêòîðàì, êàê êàðäèîêñàí?
Íàäî ëè åãî íàçíà÷àòü âñåì ïàöèåíòàì, ïîëó÷àþùèì ïðîòèâîîïóõîëåâûå ïðåïàðàòû èëè òîëüêî ïàöèåíòàì ñ êëèíèêîé ÑÑÇ (âêëþ÷àÿ ñþäà òàêæå ëèö, èìåþùèõ ëèøü ôóíêöèîíàëüíûå èçìåíåíèÿ, âûÿâëÿåìûå èíñòðóìåíòàëüíî (íàïðèìåð, íà ÝÕÎÊÃ)?)
Çíàåòå ëè âû åù¸ êàêèå-íèáóäü ïðåïàðàòû èëè ìåòîäû ïðîôèëàêòèêè èëè ëå÷åíèÿ ïîñëåäñòâèé êàðäèîòîêñè÷íîñòè ïðîòèâîîïóõîëåâûõ ïðåïàðàòîâ?
Ñïàñèáî
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 12.03.2009, 21:21
Àâàòàð äëÿ audovichenko
audovichenko audovichenko âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.01.2006
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audovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Òîëüêî ïðî êàðäèîêñàí è çíàþ...
Ýâèäåíñà âðîäå áû íå áîëüíî ìíîãî. Åñëè áû äîñòàòü
âîò ýòîò îáçîð÷èê, íàâåðíî ÷òî-íèáóäü ïðîÿñíèëîñü áû.

Expert Rev Cardiovasc Ther. 2008 Nov;6(10):1311-7. Links
Utility of dexrazoxane for the reduction of anthracycline-induced cardiotoxicity.

Jones RL.
Sarcoma and Drug Development Units, Royal Marsden Hospital, Fulham Road, London, SW3 6JJ, UK. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Dexrazoxane is a derivative of the powerful metal-chelating agent ethyl enediamine tetra acetic acid. Its cardioprotective effect is thought to be due to its ability to chelate iron and reduce the number of metal ions complexed with anthracycline and, consequently, decrease the formation of superoxide radicals. Preclinical studies have confirmed that dexrazoxane has significant activity as a cardioprotective agent against anthracycline-induced cardiotoxicity. Dexrazoxane is well-tolerated, with myelosuppression being the dose-limiting toxicity in Phase I trials. The cardioprotective utility of dexrazoxane has been further illustrated in a number of randomized trials. In addition no significant difference in survival has been observed between the dexrazoxane and control arms of these trials but, in one, a significantly lower response rate was observed in the dexrazoxane compared to placebo arm. Further trials are required to evaluate the efficacy of dexrazoxane in hematological malignancies as well as the adjuvant treatment of breast cancer. Its use in the paediatric setting and in the management of elderly patients with cardiac comorbidity also requires investigation. Recently, interest has focused on the use of dexrazoxane as an antidote for anthracycline extravasation. In addition the general cytoprotective activity of this drug requires further assessment, as well as selectivity in this context.

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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 12.03.2009, 21:47
YAGOR YAGOR âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 1
YAGOR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYAGOR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYAGOR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYAGOR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYAGOR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYAGOR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåYAGOR ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íå ýâàéäåíñ, íî ïîñëåäñòâèÿ êàðäèîòîêñè÷íîñòè ïðîòèâîîïóõîëåâûõ ñðåäñòâ â íåêîòîðûõ îíêîëîãè÷åñêèõ öåíòðàõ óñòðàíÿëè ñ ïîìîùüþ äèãîêñèíà. Íà ôîíå ïðèìåíåíèÿ íèçêèõ äîç äèãîêñèíà íàáëþäàëîñü ñîêðàùåíèå ïîëîñòåé ïðè òîêñè÷åñêîé ÄÊÌÏ. Âîîáùå æå èññëåäîâàíèé ïî ýòîé òåìå â ïðèíöèïå ìàëî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 25.02.2010, 11:24
olgakdr olgakdr âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
çàáàíåí
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 53
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 21 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
olgakdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè, äëÿ ìåíÿ ýòîò âîïðîñ òîæå ñòàë àêòóàëüíûì.
Îáðàòèëàñü ïàöèåíòêà òðèäöàòè ñ íåáîëüøèì ëåò, ïîñëå âòîãî êóðñà ÏÕÒ (âêëþ÷àÿ äîêñîðóáèöèí) ïî ïîâîäó cancer ìîëî÷íîé æåëåçû. Æàëîáû íà áîëè â îáëàñòè ñåðäöà, ñåðäå÷íîé íåäîñòàòî÷íîñòè íåò. Âåðí¸òñÿ êî ìíå ïîñëå ÝÕÎ è áèîõèìèè. Ìíå íóæíî áóäåò çà îäèí ïðèåì óâèäåòü ðåçóëüòàòû è äàòü ðåêîìåíäàöèè, ïîýòîìó íå ïðèâîæó ðåçóëüòàòîâ îáñëåäîâàíèÿ. Òåîðåòè÷åñêè â êàêîé ñèòóàöèè äëÿ íå¸ áóäåò àêòóàëåí êàðäèîêñàí (ïðè ïîâûøåíèè ìàðêåðîâ íåêðîçà ìèîêàðäà, ïðè îòêëîíåíèé îò íîðìû êàðäèîìåòðèè è ñèñòîëè÷åñêîé/äèàñòîëè÷åñêîé äèñôóíêöèè èëè ïðè íîðìàëüíûõ ðåçóëüòàòàõ îáñëåäîâàíèÿ êàðäèîêñàí åé òîæå áóäåò ïîêàçàí?)? Êàêîâ âàø îïûò èëè ñëîæèâøååñÿ ìíåíèå ïî ýòîìó âîïðîñó? Åñòü ëè àëüòåðíàòèâà êàðäèîêñàíó? Äîáàâëþ, ÷òî áûëà òðàíçèòîðíàÿ ëåéêîïåíèÿ, àíåìèÿ ïîñëå ÏÕÒ (ïîêàçàòåëè ïîâûñèëèñü íà ôîíå ëå÷åíèÿ) - ýòî êàê-áóäòî íåæåëàòåëüíî äëÿ íàçíà÷åíèÿ êàðäèîêñàíà...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 25.02.2010, 11:43
Àâàòàð äëÿ tourunov
tourunov tourunov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.01.2010
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 915
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 170 ðàç(à) çà 170 ñîîáùåíèé
tourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåtourunov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò olgakdr Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
àíåìèÿ ïîñëå ÏÕÒ
À áîëè â ñåðäöå íå íà ôîíå àíåìèè? Àíåìèÿ âûðàæåííàÿ áûëà? Âïîëíå ì.á. ïðè÷èíîé áîëåé..
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 25.02.2010, 12:13
Àâàòàð äëÿ dmblok
dmblok dmblok âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,827
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 67 ðàç(à) çà 62 ñîîáùåíèé
dmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådmblok ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò tourunov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
À áîëè â ñåðäöå íå íà ôîíå àíåìèè? Àíåìèÿ âûðàæåííàÿ áûëà? Âïîëíå ì.á. ïðè÷èíîé áîëåé..
Êàêîé ñïîñîáíûé äîêòîð ïîÿâèëñÿ â ðàçäåëå. Î÷åíü ïðèÿòíî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 25.02.2010, 12:13
ozinvev ozinvev âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 198 ðàç(à) çà 196 ñîîáùåíèé
ozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåozinvev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿë, ïîêàçàíèåì ê êàðäèîêñàíó ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïðèåì ïðîòèâîîïóõîëåâûõ ïðåïàðàòîâ äëÿ ïðåäóïðåæäåíèÿ òîêñè÷åñêîãî ýôôåêòà, à íå ëå÷åíèå óæå ðàçâèâøåéñÿ êàðäèîïàòèè ïîñëå îêîí÷àíèÿ êóðñà õèìèîòåðàïèè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 25.02.2010, 15:13
olgakdr olgakdr âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
çàáàíåí
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 18.02.2008
Ãîðîä: ã. Ñóðãóò
Ñîîáùåíèé: 53
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 21 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
olgakdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
àíåìèÿ ëåãêîé ñòåïåíè (ãåìîãëîáèí 105-110) íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü. Áîëè ïîÿâèëèñü ïîñëå âòîðîãî êóðñà ÏÕÒ íà ôîíå ýòèõ öèôð.
Äà. Äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè âðîäå áû.
Ðåøàåòñÿ âîïðîñ î ïîâòîðíûõ êóðñàõ ÏÕÒ, áóäóò åùå îïåðàòèâíûå âìåøàòåëüñòâà (ïîêà íå áûëî ìàñòýêòîìèè, òîëüêî ðåçåêöèÿ íåî è ðåãèîíàðíûõ ë/óçëîâ) - ëå÷åíèå íå çàêîí÷åíî. Åñëè îáíàðóæèì èçìåíåíèÿ íà ÝÕÎ - êàêîâà òàêòèêà (íàïîìíþ, ïðèçíàêîâ ÑÍ íåò, ÿâíûõ ïðîòèâîïîêàçàíèé ê ÏÕÒ íåò)? Åñëè êàðäèîìåòðèÿ è ôóíêöèÿ â ïîðÿäêå - íàçíà÷àåì äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè êàðäèîêñàí ïðè ïîâòîðíûõ êóðñàõ ÏÕÒ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 28.02.2010, 09:54
Dr.Cat Dr.Cat âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.05.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 336
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 3
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 49 ðàç(à) çà 49 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Áîëåâîé ñèíäðîì ì.á. îáóñëîâëåí îñòðîé êàðäèîòîêñè÷íîñòüþ äîêñîðóáèöèíà, êëèíè÷åñêè ïðîÿâëÿåòñÿ êàê ìèîïåðèêàðäèò: áîëåâîé ñèíäðîì, èçìåíåíèÿ íà ÝÊÃ, àðèòìèè, ïîâûøåíèå êàðäèîìàðêåðîâ, íåáîëüøîé âûïîò â ïîëîñòè ïåðèêàðäà, ñíèæåíèå ãëîáàëüíîé ñîêðàòèìîñòè, íàðóøåíèå ëîêàëüíîé ñîêðàòèìîñòè.
Ïðè ïðîäîëæåíèè ëå÷åíèÿ àíòðàöèêëèíîâûìè ïðåïàðàòàìè ó òàêèõ ïàöèåíòîâ âûøå ðèñê ðàçâèòèÿ õðîíè÷åñêîé äîêñîðóáèöèíîâîé êàðäèîìèîïàòèè, ïîýòîìó ïðîôèëàêòèêà æåëàòåëüíà.

Ññûëêè ïî òåìå:
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

P.S. Åñëè èíòåðåñíî ìîãó âûëîæèòü ñëó÷àé îñòðîé äîêñîðóáèöèíîâîé êàðäèîìèîïàòèè ó ìîëîäîãî ïàöèåíòà ñ ëèìôîãðàíóëåìàòîçîì.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
audovichenko îäîáðèë(à):
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Ñòàðûé 28.02.2010, 22:31
Rodionov Rodionov âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.02.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,764
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 804 ðàç(à) çà 733 ñîîáùåíèé
Rodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
×åñòíî ñêàçàòü, ñ ïðàêòè÷åñêîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ î÷åíü ñêâåðíàÿ òåìà. Ìíå èíîãäà äðóçüÿ îíêîëîãè ïðèñûëàþò ïàöèåíòîâ ñ âîïðîñîì, à ìîæíî ëè êàïàòü êðàñíóþ õèìèþ.
È âîò äóìàåøü, ÷òî èì ñîêðàòèò æèçíü - îòêàç îò ñëåäóþùåãî êóðñà õèìèè èëè ÕÑÍ.
Ñòàðàþñü íå îòêàçûâàòü.
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Ñòàðûé 02.03.2010, 13:45
olgakdr olgakdr âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
çàáàíåí
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 18.02.2008
Ãîðîä: ã. Ñóðãóò
Ñîîáùåíèé: 53
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 21 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
olgakdr ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr.Cat Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå

P.S. Åñëè èíòåðåñíî ìîãó âûëîæèòü ñëó÷àé îñòðîé äîêñîðóáèöèíîâîé êàðäèîìèîïàòèè ó ìîëîäîãî ïàöèåíòà ñ ëèìôîãðàíóëåìàòîçîì.
Åñëè ìîæíî, ïîæàëóéñòà.
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Ñòàðûé 09.03.2010, 23:33
Dr.Cat Dr.Cat âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.05.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 336
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 3
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 49 ðàç(à) çà 49 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Cat ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Îáåùàííûé ñëó÷àé, ïðîùó ïðîùåíèÿ çà çàäåðæêó.

Öèòàòà:
Ïàöèåíò Î., 27 ëåò. Ïîñòóïèë 11.12.2009
Îêîëî 1.5 ìåñÿöåâ íàçàä âûÿâëåííà ëèìôîìà Õîäæêèíà. Ïîëó÷àë êóðñ õèìèîòåðàïèè: öèêëîôîñôàí, àäðèàáëàñòèí, ýòîïîçèä, íàòóëàí, âèíêðèñòèí, ïðåäíèçîëîí (ïî ñõåìå ÅÀ(50)ÑÎÐÐ). Óõóäøåíèå ñîñòîÿíèÿ 10.12.09 êîãäà ïîñëå î÷åðåäíîãî ñåàíñà õèìèîòåðàïèè ïî÷óâñòâîâàë èíòåíñèâíóþ äàâÿùóþ áîëü çà ãðóäèíîé, ñ èððàäèàöèåé â îáå ëîïàòêè, áîëè ñîïðîâàæäàëèñü îäûøêîé, ñëàáîñòüþ. Áîëü ñîõðàíÿëàñü â òå÷åíèå ñóòîê, 11.12.09 îáðàòèëñÿ â ÐÎÍÖ, áîëè êóïèðîâàíÿ íàðêîòè÷åñêèìè àíàëüãåòèêàìè. Ïåðåâåäåí èç ÐÎÍÖ â ÃÊÁ ïî ÑÌÏ.  îáúåêòèâíîì ñòàòóñå áåç îñîáåííîñòåé.
Íà ÝÊà ïðè ïîñòóïëåíèè: Ðèòì ñèíóñîâûé, ×ÑÑ 92 â ìèí., íîðìàëüíîå ïîëîæåíèå ÝÎÑ, îòñóòñòâèå íàðàñòàíèÿ çóáöà R â V1-V5, ýëåâàöèÿ ST â V2-V4.
11.12.09 Àíàëèç êðîâè: ãåìîãëîáèí-14.8 Ã/ÄË, ýðèòðîöèòû-4.65 10^6/ÌÊË, ãåìàòîêðèò-39.9%, òðîìáîöèòû-193 10^3/ÌÊË, ëåéêîöèòû-1.6 10^3/ÌÊË, òðîïîíèí-22.54 ìêã/k, àñò-179 Å/Ë, àëò-72 Å/Ë, ÊÔÊ îáù.-1791 Å/Ë, êôê-ìâ-202 Å/Ë, ËÄà îáù. - 863 Å/Ë, ìî÷åâèíà-5.3 ÌÌÎËÜ/Ë, êðåàòèíèí-74 ìêÌîëü/ë.
13.12.09 ÀÑÒ 139 Å/Ë, ÀËÒ 70 Å/Ë, ÊÔÊ 850 Å/Ë, êôê-ìâ 93 Å/Ë, ËÄÃ 1267 Å/Ë.
14.12.09 ÀÑÒ 64 Å/Ë, ÀËÒ 64 Å/Ë, ÊÔÊ 227 Å/Ë, êôê-ìâ 19.4 Å/Ë, ËÄÃ 1196 Å/Ë
15.12.09 ÀÑÒ 50 Å/Ë, ÀËÒ 72 Å/Ë, ÊÔÊ 138 Å/Ë, êôê-ìâ 13 Å/Ë, ËÄÃ 959 Å/Ë, ËÄÃ1 442 Å/Ë.
ÝõîÊà 11.12.09 (âûïîëíåíî â ðåàíèìàöèîííîì îòäåëåíèè). Ïóëüñàöèÿ àîðòû ðèòìè÷íàÿ, äèàìåòð âîñõîäÿùåé àîðòû 28 ìì, ñòâîðêè àîðòàëüíîãî êëàïàíà íå èçìåíåíû, ðàñêðûòèå íå íàðóøåíî. Ñòâîðêè ìèòðàëüíîãî êëàïàíà íå èçìåíåíû, ðàñêðûòèå íå íàðóøåíî. Òîëùèíà ÌÆÏ â äèàñòîëó 9.8 ìì, òîëùèíà çàäíåé ñòåíêè ëåâîãî æåëóäî÷êà â äèàñòîëó 10 ìì. Ìàêñèìàëüíûé ïåðåäíåçàäíèé ðàçìåð ëåâîãî ïðåäñåðäèÿ 34 ìì. Êîíå÷íî-äèàñòîëè÷åñêèé ðàçìåð ëåâîãî æåëóäî÷êà 51.2 ìì. Êîíå÷íî-äèàñòîëè÷åñêèé îáúåì ëåâîãî æåëóäî÷êà 127.6 ìë. Ôðàêöèÿ âûáðîñà ëåâîãî æåëóäî÷êà 56%. Çîíû íàðóøåííîé ëîêàëüíîé ñîêðàòèìîñòè: ãèïîêèíåç áàçàëüíîãî ïåðåäíå-ïåðåãîðîäî÷íîãî, áàçàëüíîãî íèæíå-ïåðåãîðîäî÷íîãî, àïèêàëüíîãî áîêîâîãî, àïèêàëüíîãî ïåðåãîðîäî÷íîãî ñåãìåíòîâ. Ïðàâûé æåëóäî÷åê 28 ìì â àïèêàëüíîé ïîçèöèè. Ñåïàðàöèÿ ëèñòêîâ ïåðèêàðäà çà çàäíåé ñòåíêîé ëåâîãî æåëóäî÷êà äî 3 ìì â äèàñòîëó, çà ïðàâûì ïðåäñåðäèåì äî 2 ìì â äèàñòîëó. Ïðè äîïïëåðîãðàôèè: Ïàòîëîãè÷åñêèå ïîòîêè íå âûÿâëåíû. Ìèòðàëüíûé êëàïàí: ðåãóðãèòàöèÿ 1 ñò. , Å/À 0.88, DT 240 ìñ. Òðèêóñïèäàëüíûé êëàïàí: ðåãóðãèòàöèÿ 1 ñò. Íèæíÿÿ ïîëàÿ âåíà 17.8 ìì, êîëëàáèðóåò íà âäîõå áîëåå 50%. Ëåãî÷íîé ãèïåðòåíçèè íåò. ÷åíèå: Íàðóøåíèå ëîêàëüíîé ñîêðàòèìîñòè. Ãëîáàëüíàÿ ñîêðàòèìîñòü ñîõðàíåíà. Íàðóøåíèå äèàñòîëè÷åñêîé ôóíêöèè 1 òèïà. Êàìåðû ñåðäöà íå ðàñøèðåíû. Ìèòðàëüíàÿ ðåãóðãèòàöèÿ 1 ñò. , òðèêóñïèäàëüíàÿ 1 ñò. Íåáîëüøîå êîëè÷åñòâî æèäêîñòè â ïîëîñòè ïåðèêàðäà.
ÝõîÊà 27.12.09 Àîðòà 3,54, ïóëüñàöèÿ ðèòìè÷íàÿ, íîðìàëüíîé àìïëèòóäû. Ñòâîðêè ÀÊ òîíêèå, ðàñõîäÿòñÿ ïîëíîñòüþ. ËÏ 2,93, Òïð 0,55, ÊÄÐïð 2,4, Òìæï 1,0, Òçñ 0,83, ÊÄÐëæ 5,76, ÊÄîëæ 130,7, Ô 65,5%. Ñòâîðêè ÌÊ è ÒÊ áåç ïàòîëîãèè. Ñëàáîâûðàæåííûé ñèíäðîì Âåíòóðè íà ÌÊ.  òðàíñìèòðàëüíîì ïîòîêå Å/À 0,746/0,449=1,66, ïðè èññëåäîâàíèè òêàíåâûì äîïïëåðîì Åëàò. 0,133, Åìåä. 0,119.
Êîðîíàðîãðàôèÿ îò 23.12.2009: îêêëþçèîííî-ñòåíîòè÷åñêîãî ïîðàæåíèÿ êîðîíàðíûõ àðòåðèé íå âûÿâëåíî. Çàìåäëåíèå ñêîðîñòè ïàññàæà êîíòðàñòíîãî âåùåñòâà ïî êîðîíàðíîìó ðóñëó.
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Ñòàðûé 09.03.2010, 23:50
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñëàáîâûðàæåííûé ñèíäðîì Âåíòóðè
À ýòî ÷òî çà çâåðü?
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Ñòàðûé 10.03.2010, 00:00
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Aortic insufficiency is a chronic heart condition that occurs when the aortic valve's initial large stroke volume is released and the Venturi effect draws the walls together, which obstructs blood flow, which leads to a Pulsus Bisferiens.


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Ñòàðûé 10.03.2010, 23:40
Dr.Cat Dr.Cat âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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