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Ôîðóì äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé íåâðîëîãîâ è íåéðîõèðóðãîâ Ôîðóì ïðåäíàçíà÷åí äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ìåæäó ñîáîé.

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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 01.06.2008, 10:48
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Ãîñòü
 
Ñîîáùåíèé: n/a
Ïðîôèëàêòèêà ÒÃÂ â íåéðîõèðóðãèè

Êòî â êóðñå, ñóùåñòâóþò ëè âìåíÿåìûå ïðîòîêîëû ïðîôèëàêòèêè Òà(òðîìáîçà ãëóáîêèõ âåí) è ÒÝËÀ â íåéðîõèðóðãèè (ïëàíîâîé è íåîòëîæíîé). Êîãî áû íå ñïðàøùèâàë, ÷åòêèõ ïîçèöèé â ýòîì âîïðîñå íåò. Õîòåëîñü áû, ÷òîáû áûëî ÷åòêî è ïî ñòåïåíè ðèñêà, êàê â American College of Chest Physicians (ACCP) consensus guidelines ( http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/cont...6/3_suppl/338S ), íî òàì íåéðîõèðóðãè÷åñêèå îïåðàöèè â ïðîòèâîïîêàçàíèÿõ ..
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 01.06.2008, 11:18
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Ñîîáùåíèé: n/a
Ìû íàçíà÷àåì ïàöèåíòàì ñ óìåðåííûì è âûñîêèì ðèñêîì, êîòîðûå àêòèâíû ìåíåå òðåõ ÷àñîâ â ñóòêè, ÷åðåç 48 ÷àñîâ ïîñëå íåéðîõèðóðãè÷åñêèõ îïåðàöèé, áåç ãèïîàãóëÿöèè ïî ëàá. òåñòàì. Íî ÷åòêîãî ïðîòîêîëà âñå ðàâíî íåò, êîòîðûé áû çàùèòèë îò ïðåòåíçèé ñî ñòîðîíû íåéðîõèðóðãîâ è íà÷àëüñòâà. Òðîìáîýìáîëè÷åñêèå è ãåìîððàãè÷åñêèå îñëîæíåíèÿ ó íàñ ïîäàþòñÿ â ðàâíîé ñòåïåíè êàê óïóùåíèÿ àíåñòåçèîëîãîâ-ðåàíèìàòîëîãîâ.
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Ñòàðûé 04.06.2008, 20:34
Àâàòàð äëÿ Cherebillo
Cherebillo Cherebillo âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 30.01.2008
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,613
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,375 ðàç(à) çà 1,338 ñîîáùåíèé
Cherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ìû ñ ìîèìè êîëëåãàìè àíåñòåçèîëîãàìè îêîëî ïîëóãîäà íàçàä çàíèìàëèñü ïîèñêàìè îòâåòà íà ýòîò âîïðîñ. Ïîäîáíûõ ïðîòîêîëîâ ê ñîæàëåíèþ íå ñóùåñòâóåò. Áîëåå òîãî, íè îäèí èç ïðåïàðàòîâ, èñïîëüçîâàííûé äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè, íå ñíèæàåò âíÿòíî ïðîöåíò ÒÝËÀ.
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Ñ óâàæåíèåì, ×åðåáèëëî Âëàäèñëàâ Þðüåâè÷
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 07.06.2008, 21:36
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Ììì .. íó, ïîæàëóé íå ñîãëàøóñü, íàñ÷åò òîãî, ÷òî ïðîôèëàêòè÷ñêèå ÍÌà íå ñíèæàþò ÒÝËÀ. Íî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñòðàííî, ÷òî äî ñèõ ïîð íåò íèêàêîé ÷åòêîé ïîçèöèè î òîì êîìó, êîãäà è â êàêîì âèäå íàçíà÷àòü ïðîôèëàêòèêó Òàó íåéðîõèðóðãè÷åñêèõ ïàöèåíòîâ ..

Âîò, íàïðèìåð, ÷òî íàïèñàë ìíå çíàêîìûé íåéðîõèðóðã èç Êåìáðèäæà :
Öèòàòà:
Àëåêñàíäð, êàê íè ñòðàííî, æåñòêîãî ïðîòîêîëà ó íàñ íåò. Ñóùåñòâóþò ðàçëè÷íûå ìíåíèÿ ñðåäè êîíñóëüòàíòîâ. Ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ïåðèîïåðàöèîííîãî âåäåíèÿ - ïðè ïëàíîâûõ îïåðàöèÿõ ñòàðàåìñÿ îòìåíÿòü àñïèðèí çà 2 íåäåëè. Âàðôàðèí òîæå îòìåíÿåòñÿ (â ñëó÷àå ôèáðèëÿöèè ïðåäñåðäèé ñîâñåì, à ïðè èñêóññòâåííûõ êëàïàíàõ, çàìåùàåòñÿ ãåïàðèíîâîé èíôóçèåé, êîòîðàÿ íà ìîìåíò îïåðàöèè ïðèîñòàíàâëèâàåòñÿ). Ó îñòàëüíûõ áîëüíûõ (ñ áîëåå íèçêèì ðèñêîì òðîìáîçà ãëóáîêèõ âåí è ÒÝËÀ) äî, âî âðåìÿ è ïîñëå îïåðàöèè ïðèìåíÿþòñÿ ýëàñòè÷åñêèå ÷óëêè è îïðåäåëåííûå óïðàæíåíèÿ. Íåêîòîðûì áîëüíûì ñ âûñîêèì ðèñêîì (íàïðèìåð òðîìáîôèëèÿ, ÒÝËÀ â àíàìíåçå èòï) - ñòàâÿò ôèëüòð â íèæíþþ ïîëóþ âåíó. Ïîñëå îïåðàöèè îáû÷íî íàçíà÷àþòñÿ íèçêîìîëåêóëÿðíûå ãåïàðèíû (ýíîêñàïàðèí èòï) - íàèáîëåå ñìåëûå íåéðîõèðóðãè íàçíà÷àþò ÷åðåç 24 ÷àñà ïîñëå îïåðàöèè, íî áîëüøèíñòâî âñå-æå æäåò 48-72 ÷àñà. Ìû òîæå ïîäóìûâàåì î ñîçäàíèè åäèíîãî ïðîòîêîëà è åñëè ÷òî-òî ðàçðàáîòàåì êîíêðåòíîå - ÿ ñ âàìè ïîäåëþñü.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 07.06.2008, 22:02
eqimi eqimi âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.04.2008
Ãîðîä: Georgia
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,304
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 3
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 639 ðàç(à) çà 601 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 1
eqimi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeqimi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeqimi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeqimi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeqimi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeqimi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeqimi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeqimi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeqimi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeqimi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåeqimi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò zubarew Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Âîò, íàïðèìåð, ÷òî íàïèñàë ìíå çíàêîìûé íåéðîõèðóðã èç Êåìáðèäæà : Ìû òîæå ïîäóìûâàåì î ñîçäàíèè åäèíîãî ïðîòîêîëà è åñëè ÷òî-òî ðàçðàáîòàåì êîíêðåòíîå - ÿ ñ âàìè ïîäåëþñü.
Óâàæàåìûé Àëåêñàíäð Ñåðãååâè÷
Áóäòå äîáðû íåçàáóäòå ñ íàìè òîæå ïîäåëèòñÿ

Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Ãèîðãèé Âèòàëüåâè÷
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 12.06.2008, 18:55
Àâàòàð äëÿ Cherebillo
Cherebillo Cherebillo âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 30.01.2008
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,613
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,375 ðàç(à) çà 1,338 ñîîáùåíèé
Cherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò zubarew Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ììì .. íó, ïîæàëóé íå ñîãëàøóñü, íàñ÷åò òîãî, ÷òî ïðîôèëàêòè÷ñêèå ÍÌà íå ñíèæàþò ÒÝËÀ. Íî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñòðàííî, ÷òî äî ñèõ ïîð íåò íèêàêîé ÷åòêîé ïîçèöèè î òîì êîìó, êîãäà è â êàêîì âèäå íàçíà÷àòü ïðîôèëàêòèêó Òàó íåéðîõèðóðãè÷åñêèõ ïàöèåíòîâ ..

Âîò, íàïðèìåð, ÷òî íàïèñàë ìíå çíàêîìûé íåéðîõèðóðã èç Êåìáðèäæà :
À âåäü äàæå â ýòîì ïèñüìå íè ñëîâà î ïðåäîïåðàöèîííîé ìåäèêàìåíòîçíîé ïðîôèëàêòèêå, òîëüêî óïðàæíåíèÿ è ýëàñòè÷íûå ÷óëêè. È íèçêîìîëëåêóëÿðíûå ãåïàðèíû ÷åðåç 72 ÷àñà ïîñëå îïåðàöèè. Òî åñòü â òîò ïåðèîä, êîãäà îñòðîòà ïðîáëåìû óæå â çíà÷èòåëüíîé ñòåïåíè ñíÿòà.  ýòè ñðîêè ïàöèåíòû àêòèâèçèðîâàíû, à ìíîãèå óæå è âûïèñàíû.
ß äóìàþ, ÷åòêèõ ðåêîìåíäàöèé íåò ïîòîìó, ÷òî åñëè íàçíà÷èòü ïðîôèëàêòè÷åñêè àíòèêîàãóëÿíòû - ðåçêî ïîâûñèòü ÷àñòîòó ãåìîððàãè÷åñêèõ îñëîæíåíèé, à íå íàçíà÷èòü - áîëüøå áîÿòüñÿ ÒÝËÀ è ÒÃÂ. Ïîýòîìó è íå íàçíà÷àþò.
Êðîìå òîãî, ÿ íå âñòðå÷àë ðàáîò, äîêàçûâàþùèõ ýôôåêòèâíîñòü àíòèêîàãóëÿíòîâ äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè ÒÝËÀ â ïåðèîïåðàöèîííîì ïåðèîäå ó íåéðîõèðóðãè÷åñêèõ áîëüíûõ. Îáùàëñÿ íà ýòó òåìó ñ ïðîô. Êîíäðàòüåâûì, ïðîô. Ïîëóøèíûì - îíè âîîáùå óòâåðæäàþò, ÷òî äîêàçàíî íåâîçìîæíîñòü ñíèçèòü ÷àñòîòó ÒÝËÀ íàçíà÷åíèåì íèçêîìîëåêóëÿðíûõ ãåïàðèíîâ.
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Ñ óâàæåíèåì, ×åðåáèëëî Âëàäèñëàâ Þðüåâè÷
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 12.06.2008, 22:15
zubarew
Ãîñòü
 
Ñîîáùåíèé: n/a
Îíè óòâåðæäàþò êðàìîëüíûå âåùè. Ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ïåðèîïåðàöèîííîãî íàçíà÷åíèÿ ÍÌà äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè Òàè ÒÝËÀ ó ïàöèåíòîâ ãðóïï ïîâûøåííîãî ðèñêà áûëî óáåäèòåëüíî äîêàçàíî â ìàñøòàáíûõ èññëåäîâàíèÿõ è ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî èõ íàçíà÷åíèþ áûëè ïîìå÷åíû, êàê èìåþùèå âûñîêèé óðîâåíü äîêàçàòåëüíîé îáîñíîâàííîñòè ( http://www.guideline.gov/summary/sum...=9266&nbr=4960 ).
Äðóãîå äåëî, ÷òî âñå èçâåñòíûå ìíå ãàéäû îãðàíè÷èâàþò íàçíà÷åíèå àíòèêîàãóëÿíòîâ ó íåéðîõèðóðãè÷åñêèõ áîëüíûõ, â ñâÿçè ñ âûñîêèì ðèñêîì âíóòðè÷åðåïíîãî êðîâîèçëèÿíèÿ.
Íåéðîõèðóðãè÷åñêèì ïàöèåíòàì â ïåðèîïåðàöèîííîì ïåðèîäå íå ïðîòèâîïîêàçàíà òîëüêî ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèÿ.

Ïðèâåäó áåç ñîêðàùåíèÿ åùå íåáîëüøîé òåêñòîâûé áëîê ïî ñàáæó èç The Clinical Practice of Critical Care Neurology 2nd Ed, 2003

Öèòàòà:
Indications for Prophylactic Anticoagulation
The actual occurrence of venous thrombosis and pulmonary emboli is probably more frequent than the neurologic literature suggests and is, for the most part, preventable. Although the efficacy of heparin in the prevention of deep venous thrombosis is undisputed, in the intensive care unit, the overall risk of deep venous thrombosis with subcutaneous administration of low-dose heparin is 5% to 15% in the first week.5 The risk of deep venous thrombosis can be substantial in patients with a brief stay in the NICU who did not receive prophylaxis. The risk of deep venous thrombosis may also be determined by the patient mix in the NICU (trauma or nontrauma). Deep venous thrombosis often develops in a paralyzed leg (or legs in Guillain-Barr syndrome or acute spinal cord disorder). Subcutaneous heparin substantially reduces the risk of deep venous thrombosis and pulmonary embolism when given to patients with ischemic stroke.59 Intracerebral hematomas do not necessarily preclude use of subcutaneous heparin. A study of subcutaneous heparin in patients with intracerebral hematoma found that pulmonary embolism was significantly reduced without increased risk of hemorrhagic complications (deep venous thrombosis was monitored with phleboscintigraphy of erythrocytes labeled in vitro, and pulmonary perfusion scans were done in instances of clinical suspicion).13
However, pneumatic compression devices have similarly significantly reduced the incidence of venous thrombosis postoperatively17,19 but have not been rigorously tested in the NICU population with the exception of elective neurosurgical patients.101 Pneumatic compression devices compress the calves and markedly increase venous flow velocity.

The reduction in deep venous thrombosis and pulmonary embolus with intermittent pneumatic compression devices is similar to that with low-dose heparin and may be a safer alternative in patients with spontaneous or traumatic hematoma. One study comparing historical controls with stroke patients suggested that these devices should be used in combination with a heparin regimen; with this approach, deep venous thrombosis occurred in 0.2% of 432 patients and there were no pulmonary emboli.57
Generally, venous thromboembolism is most effectively prevented with low doses of unfractionated heparin (5000 units subcutaneously every 12 hours) until the patient is ambulatory. Patients with a history of recurrent venous thrombosis should receive the low-molecular-weight heparin enoxaparin, 30 mg subcutaneously every 12 hours. Aspirin, although appealing, or a low dose of warfarin (1 mg) cannot be recommended yet and awaits further evaluation of safety and efficacy.
In most of our patients, however, we have been using pneumatic compression devices to prevent deep venous thrombosis. These devices provide more comfort than twice-daily subcutaneous injections, but they have to remain in place much of the day. (They are disconnected during transport and procedures.) Pneumatic compression devices are generally well tolerated. These devices are probably not sufficient in preventive action in patients with a high risk of venous thromboembolism (previous deep venous thrombosis, underlying malignant disease, or expectation of major surgery, e.g., orthopedic surgery for fractures in patients with multitrauma) or thrombophilia. (Patients with a genetic predisposition to thrombosis usually have the first thrombotic event before age 45.94) Subcutaneous heparin is warranted.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Cherebillo îäîáðèë(à): Ñïàñèáî, èíòåðåñíàÿ ññûëêà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 13.06.2008, 09:31
Àâàòàð äëÿ Cherebillo
Cherebillo Cherebillo âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 30.01.2008
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,613
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Cherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåCherebillo ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñïàñèáî, èíòåðåñíàÿ ññûëêà.
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò zubarew Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Äðóãîå äåëî, ÷òî âñå èçâåñòíûå ìíå ãàéäû îãðàíè÷èâàþò íàçíà÷åíèå àíòèêîàãóëÿíòîâ ó íåéðîõèðóðãè÷åñêèõ áîëüíûõ, â ñâÿçè ñ âûñîêèì ðèñêîì âíóòðè÷åðåïíîãî êðîâîèçëèÿíèÿ.
Íåéðîõèðóðãè÷åñêèì ïàöèåíòàì â ïåðèîïåðàöèîííîì ïåðèîäå íå ïðîòèâîïîêàçàíà òîëüêî ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèÿ.
Äà, â ýòîì òî è ñëîæíîñòü.
Ïîéäó ïîèùó åùå ÷åãî-íèáóäü. Åñëè íàðîþ, ñîîáùó. À â ïîíåäåëüíèê ñ ðåàíèìàòîëîãàìè åùå ðàç îáñóäèì ýòó ïðîáëåìó.

Äà, êñòàòè. Ó íàñ ýòî íå ñ÷èòàåòñÿ ðåàíèìàöèîííî-àíåñòåçèîëîãè÷åñêèì äåôåêòîì. Ýòî îáùàÿ ïðîáëåìà. Ñëîæíîñòåé âî âçàèìîïîíèìàíèè íåò.
Áîëåå òîãî. Ýòî íå äîêàçàòåëüíî, íî ìû âîîáùå íå ïðîâîäèì â ñòàíäàðòíîì âåäåíèè ïàöèåíòà ïåðèîïåðàöèîííóþ ïðîôèëàêòèêó àíòèêîàãóëÿíòàìè. Òîëüêî ðàííÿÿ àêòèâèçàöèÿ. Íàçíà÷åíèå íèçêîìîëëåêóëÿðíîãî ãåïàðèíà - òîëüêî åñëè ïàöèåíò çàâèñàåò â ðåàíèìàöèè áîëåå ÷åì íà äâîå ñóòîê. Ñëàâà áîãó, ýòî áûâàåò êðàéíå ðåäêî . Ïðè 1600-1800 íåéðîõèðóðãè÷åñêèõ îïåðàöèé â ãîä, ÷àñòîòà ÒÝËÀ ñîâñåì íå èçìåíèëàñü ñ ìîìåíòà îòêàçà îò àíòèêîàãóëÿíòîâ.
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Ñ óâàæåíèåì, ×åðåáèëëî Âëàäèñëàâ Þðüåâè÷
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 14.06.2008, 10:31
zubarew
Ãîñòü
 
Ñîîáùåíèé: n/a
Ó íàñ îáû÷íî ìíîãî ëåæà÷èõ áîëüíûõ. Ìíîãèå áîëüíûå ïîñòóïàþò èñõîäíî ñ òÿæåëûì íåâðîëîãè÷åñêèì äåôèöèòîì, äîñòàò÷íî ìíîãî áîëüíûõ áåðåì èç äðóãèõ áîëüíèö ñî ñôîðìèðîâàâøèìñÿ íåâðîëîãè÷åñêèì äåôèöèòîì (â ò.÷. âåãåòàòèêîâ è ñ ñèíäðîìîì "ìàëîãî ñîçíàíèÿ") åùå ó íàñ äîñòàò÷íî ìíîãî áîëüíûõ ñ èøåìè÷åñèìè èíñóëüòàìè, ïîýòîìó àíòèêîàãóëÿíòû èñïîëüçóåì äîñòàòî÷íî øèðîêî.
Ïîñëå íåéðîõèðóðãè÷åñêèõú îïåðàöèé ÍÌà íàçíà÷àåì òîëüêî ñïóñòÿ 48 ÷àñîâ áîëüíûì ñ âûñîêèì ðèñêîì ÒÝËÀ êîòîðûå àêòèâíû (íà íîãàõ) ìåíåå 3 ÷àñîâ â ñóòêè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 15.06.2008, 15:29
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êîëëåãè! Çíàêîìî ëè :

Prevention of Pulmonary Embolism by Combined Modalities of Thromboprophylaxis and Intensive Surveillance Protocol.

CLINICAL STUDIES

Neurosurgery. 54(5):1099-1103, May 2004.
Misra, Mukesh M.D.; Roitberg, Ben M.D.; Ebersole, Koji B.A.; Charbel, Fady T. M.D.
Abstract:
OBJECTIVE: Deep vein thrombosis (DVT) is a known complication in neurosurgical patients. The protocols for the prevention of DVT and pulmonary embolism (PE) are not applied universally. Our goal was to review the incidence of DVT and PE in neurosurgical intensive care units (NSICUs) and to compare it with the incidence of DVT and PE in other intensive care units (ICUs) in the same hospital.

METHODS: We retrospectively reviewed 5327 consecutive admissions in all intensive care units at the University of Illinois Hospital between July 2001 and June 2002. The NSICU had 1094 admissions, and all other ICUs combined had 4233 admissions. In our NSICU, every patient was administered DVT prophylaxis in the form of subcutaneous heparin and a sequential compression device if these treatments were not contraindicated. Lower-extremity venous Doppler ultrasonography was performed twice weekly in all NSICU patients. There was no routine use of DVT prophylaxis in the other ICUs, and no other ICUs performed routine lower-extremity venous Doppler ultrasonography. We compared the incidence of DVT and PE in the NSICU and the combined population of other adult ICUs.

RESULTS: PE was diagnosed in 1 (0.09%) of 1094 patients in the NSICU and in 45 (1.06%) of 4233 patients in all other ICUs (P < 0.0001, Z = 5.34). DVT was diagnosed in 28 patients (2.55%) in the NSICU and in 238 patients (5.62%) in all other ICUs (P < 0.001, Z = 4.32). These values suggest a statistically significant difference in the incidence of DVT and PE in the NSICU compared with all other ICUs.

CONCLUSION: We conclude that there was a significantly lower incidence of DVT and PE in the NSICU than in all other ICUs at our institution. DVT prophylaxis and twice-weekly lower-extremity venous Doppler screening in the NSICU have been found to be beneficial in decreasing the incidence of DVT and particularly effective in preventing PE.

Copyright (C) by the Congress of Neurological Surgeons
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 15.06.2008, 15:31
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ß íå ëþáëþ åòîò èñòî÷íèê, íî âñ¸ æå:

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
îäîáðèë(à): many thanks
Cherebillo îäîáðèë(à): Ïðèñîåäèíÿþñü, èíòåðåñíî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #12  
Ñòàðûé 15.06.2008, 18:10
zubarew
Ãîñòü
 
Ñîîáùåíèé: n/a
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