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Òðèáóëóñ è ïðî÷èå ýêñòðàêòû ÿêîðöåâ ñòåëþùèõñÿ :-)
Õîòåëîñü áû óñëûøàòü ìíåíèÿ óâàæàåìûõ äîêòîðîâ è äð. ñïåöèàëèñòîâ ïî ïîâîäó ÁÀÄîâ íà îñíîâå ÿêîðöåâ ñòåëþùèõñÿ. Ê íèì, íàïðèìåð, ìîæíî îòíåñòè Ñïåìàí èç àïòåê, èëè âñÿêîãî ðîäà Tribulus Tetris èç ìàãàçèíîâ ñïîðòèâíîãî ïèòàíèÿ.
Äåéñòâèòåëüíî ëè òàêèå ïðåïàðàòû ïîâûøàþþò óðîâåíü Ëà è, ñëåäîâàòåëüíî, òåñòåðîíà? Óëó÷øàþò ñïåðìîòîãèíåç? Ñòîèò ëè óïîòðåáëÿòü äëÿ... ïðîôèëàêòèêè, òàê ñêàçàòü äëÿ ïîääåðæàíèÿ ëèáèäî íà âûñîêîì óðîâíå? Ïðåäúèñòîðèÿ âîïðîñà òàêîâà: ñ ïîëãîäà íàçàä âðà÷ äëÿ óëó÷øåíèÿ ñïåðìîòîãèíåçà â ÷èñëå ïðî÷èõ ÁÀÄîâ íàçíà÷èë ñïåìàí è Tribulus. ×åðåç ìåñÿö ñïåðìîãðàìà äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñòàëà çíà÷èòåëüíî ëó÷øå è çíà÷èòåëüíî ïîäíÿëñÿ óðîâåíü òåñòåðîíà (äàæå âûøå íîðìû ñòàë). Ðåáåíêà ìû ñ æåíîé ïîòîì çà÷àëè Ñ ìåñÿö íàçàä ÿ ðàäè ýêñïåðåìåíòà ïðîïèë êóðñ Ñïåìàíà èç äâóõ áàíî÷åê, ïèë 3 ðàçà â äåíü ïî 3-4 òàáëåòêè. Íà òðåòèé-÷åòâ¸ðòûé äåíü ó ìåíÿ ÿâíî ïîâûñèëîñü ëèáèäî è ñîõðàíÿëîñü âñå âðåìÿ ïîêà ïèë. Ïîñëå ïðåêðàùåíèÿ ïðè¸ìà ÷åðåç íåñêîëüêî äíåé âñ¸ âåðíóëîñü "êàê áûëî". Ìîæíî, êîíå÷íî, ñïèñàòü äàííûé ýôôåêò íà ñàìîâíóøåíèå è ýôôåêò ïëàöåáî, íî... ñîìíåâàþñü. Òàê âîò, åñëè ýòè ïðåïàðàòòû äåéñòâèòåëüíî îáëàäàþò ñâîéñòâàìè, ïîçâîëÿþùèìè óâåëè÷òòü óðîâåíü òåñòåðîíà, óëó÷øèòü ñïåðìîãðàììó è òï, òî ïî÷åìó ìíîãèå çäåøíèå âðà÷è, ê êîèì ÿ îòíîøóñü ñ áîëüøèì ïî÷òåíèåì, âûñêàçûâàþòñÿ íåãàòèâíî ïî îòíîøåíèþ ê òîìó æå ñïåìàíó êàê ê ñðåäñòâó ëå÷åíèÿ ïðè òåõ èëè èíûõ îòêëîíåíèÿõ â ñïåðìîðàììå è òï? Ïðîñòî î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî ðàçîáðàòüñÿ äëÿ ñåáÿ, îòâåòòå ïæëñò! |
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doctor Ðolonsky israel Ñíèìêè ñìîòðþ òîëüêî â ïðÿìîì ïîêàçå.,áåç íåîáõîäèìîñòè ñêà÷èâàíèÿ. Ïðîñüáà ïîêàçûâàòü ñíèìêè â ïðàâèëüíîì ïîëîæåíèè. |
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Ïîèñê ïî ñëîâàì "ÿêîðöû", "òðèáóëóñ" íå äàë ðåçóëüòàòà äàæå ïî âñåìó ôîðóìó, ïîèñê ïî ñëîâó "ñïåìàí" ðåçóëüòàòû äà¸ò, íî ëèøü â óïîìèíàíèÿõ âîïðîøàþùèõ êàê íàçíà÷åííîå èì ñðåäñòâî äëÿ ëå÷åíèÿ âñÿêîãî ðîäà îòêëîíåíèé â ñïåðìîãðàììå è â îòâåòàõ âðà÷åé ôîðóìà, ìîë, "ýòî íå ëåêàðñòâî". Áîëüøå íè ÷åãî íàéòè íå óäàëîñü. Íå óìåþ èñêàòü?
À ìåæäó òåì ïîïûòàþñü ñäåëàòü íåêîòîðûå óòî÷íåíèÿ ïî ñâîåìó âîïðîñó. Âî-ïåðâûõ, ÿ îòíþòü íå ïðåòåíäóþ íà ðîëü "îòêðûâøåãî" äëÿ ñåáÿ ñïåìàí èëè åù¸ ÷òî-ëèáî. Íàïðîòèâ, ÿ îãîâîðèë, ÷òî âîçìîæíî ýòî âîîáùå áûë ýôôåêò ïëàöåáî èëè ÷òî òî â ýòîì ðîäå. Òîëüêî óâåðåí, ÷òî ýôôåêò, ïî ïóñêàé íåèçâåñòíûì ïðè÷èíàì, áûë, è áûë äàâîëüíî ÿðêî âûðàæåííûì. Âî-âòîðûõ, ÿ äàæå íå ñïðàøèâàë î êàêîì-ëèáî êîíêðåòíîì ÁÀÄå (ñïåìàí òàì èëè òðèáóëóñ èëè åù¸ ÷òî). Âîïðîñ áîëüøå êàñàëñÿ î âîîáùå âîçìîæíîñòè ïîëîæèòåëüíîãî âîçäåéñòâèÿ êàêîãî-ëèáî ýêñòðàêòà ÿêîðöîâ ñòåëþùèõñÿ. Ò.å. ÿâëÿåòñÿ ëè ïðåäïèñûâàåìûé ýòîé òðàâå ýôôåêò óâåëè÷åíèÿ ëèáèäî, ñïåðìîòîãåíåçà è òï. õîòü êàê òî ïîäòâåðæä¸ííûì èëè äîêàçàííûì. Â-òðåòüèõ, ïî ïîâîäó "Îòíîøåíèå ê áàäàì íà äàííîì ôîðóìå îïðåäåëåíî". Èñõîäÿ èç ýòîãî óòâåðæäåíèÿ ìîæíî ñäåëàòü âûâîä, ÷òî öåëûé ðàçäåë ïîñâåù¸ííûé ÁÀÄàì íà ôîðóìå íå íóæåí, äîñòàòî÷íî áûëî ñîçäàòü çàêðûòóþ òåìó, â êîòîðîé â îáùåì îïèñàòü ïî÷åìó ëþáîé ÁÀÄ - ïëîõî. À ðàç ñóùåñòâóåò öåëûé ðàçäåë, òî, ñìåþ íàäåÿòñÿ, â í¸ì âñ¸ òàêè âîçìîæíî çàäàâàòü âîïðîñû ïî êîíêðåòíûì èíòåðåñóþùèì âîïðîñàì. Íó è, íàêîíåö, â ÷åòâ¸ðòûõ: ïî÷åìó â èíòåðíåòå ìîæíî íàéòè êó÷ó ñòàòåé ïî ïîâîäó ïîëîæèòåëüíûõ êà÷åñòâ ÿêîðöåâ ñòåëþùèõñÿ áåç ïðèâÿçêè ê êîíêðåòíûì ÁÀÄàì, ÷òî ïîçâîëÿåò íàäåÿòñÿ, ÷òî ýòî íå ïðîñòî ðåêëàììà? Èëè ìåñòíûå ãóðó íå îòðèöàþò âîçìîæíîñòè çàÿâëåííûõ õàðàêòåðèñòê ïðåïàðàòîâ íà îñíîâå ÿêîðöåâ, íî ò.ê. íåáûëî ïðîèçâåäåíî äîñòàòî÷íûõ îôôèöèàëüíûõ èññëåäîâàíèé, íå ðåêîìåíäóþò èõ èñïîëüçîâàòü? Ïðîñòî ïîìîãèòå ðàçîáðàòüñÿ èìåííî ïî ÁÀÄàì, íà îñíîâå ÿêîðöåâ, ïðîøó íå îòïèñûâàòüñÿ ïî òèïó "ñêàçàíî æå, ÷òî ÁÀÄ - ôóôåë". Ñïàñèáî. |
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 îáùåì, ñ ýòîãî Âû íà÷àëè: íî ïîñëå âûøåóïîìÿíóòûõ øåðîõîâàòîñòåé êàðòèíà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ íåñêîëüêî ñìàçàííîé. È âîïðîñû ïîäâèñëè. |
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Òî, ÷òî Âû âåëåðå÷èâî èìåíîâàëè "ðåçóëüòàò íå áóäåò íóëåâûì", íà äåëå âûãëÿäèò òàê: A review of plant-derived and herbal approaches to the treatment of sexual dysfunctions. Rowland DL, Tai W. "...Nevertheless, the efficacy of most herbal agents in treating sexual problems remains uncertain... ...We conclude by commenting on the quality of current research, pointing out gaps in our knowledge, and noting the need for rigorous research and product control to adequately address questions regarding the efficacy of these agents". The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men. Neychev VK, Mitev VI. "The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins". The effect of five weeks of Tribulus terrestris supplementation on muscle strength and body composition during preseason training in elite rugby league players. Rogerson S, Riches CJ, Jennings C, Weatherby RP, Meir RA, Marshall-Gradisnik SM. "It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days". Ingestion of a dietary supplement containing dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) and androstenedione has minimal effect on immune function in middle-aged men. Kohut ML, Thompson JR, Campbell J, Brown GA, Vukovich MD, Jackson DA, King DS. "CONCLUSION: These findings suggest that, although chronic intake of a complex dietary supplement containing DHEA, androstenedione and herbal extracts increases serum androgen levels, it has minimal effect on immune function in middle-aged men". Íå íàäî èç ìîèõ îòâåòîâ äåëàòü âûâîäû è äîäóìûâàòü òî, ÷òî Âàì õî÷åòñÿ. ÁÀÄû ñåðòèôèöèðóþòñÿ êàê "dietary supplement" (äèåòè÷åñêèå äîáàâêè), è ïî îïðåäåëåíèþ íå ìîãóò îáëàäàòü ëå÷åáíûìè ñâîéñòâàìè (ïðîèçâîäèòåëè, êîòîðûå õîòÿò ïðîéòè ïðîâåðêó íà íàëè÷èå äàííûõ ñâîéñòâ, ñåðòèôèöèðóþò ñâîþ ïðîäóêöèþ êàê "ëåêàðñòâåííûå ñðåäñòâà"). |
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Äóìàþ, ÷òî íàäî íåìåäëåííî íàïèñàòü ïèñüìî â Ôåäåðàëüíóþ ñëóæáó ïî íàäçîðó â ñôåðå çäðàâîîõðàíåíèÿ è ñîöèàëüíîãî ðàçâèòèÿ ÐÔ, à çàîäíî è FDA. Îíè ñðàçó ó÷òóò Âàøå ìíåíèå è èñïðàâÿò íåñïðàâåäëèâîñòü.
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Î-î, âçâåéòåñü êîñòðàìè! À, âåäü, âñåãî-ëèøü ïîïðîñèë îòâåòèòü ïî ñóùåñòâó, à íå îáùèìè ôðàçàìè. È FDA îñòàâüòå â ïîêîå, è Ðîñçäðàâíàäçîð. Ðîññèéñêèå ÁÀÄ - íå ïî èõ ÷àñòè. È õëàäíîêðîâíåé, ïîæàëóéñòà. Âû ñíîâà íå çàìåòèëè, ÷òî âîïðîñ íå î ÁÀÄ, à î ðàñòåíèè tribulus terrestris.
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