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Ñòàðûé 26.04.2005, 11:19
Àâàòàð äëÿ áðóêñà
áðóêñà áðóêñà âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,887
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 101 ðàç(à) çà 94 ñîîáùåíèé
áðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Gilarov îäîáðèë(à): Òåìà çëîáîäíåâíàÿ, ïîääåðæèâàþ...
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Ñòàðûé 26.04.2005, 23:28
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ìû ïðî âçðûâû, ïðî ïîæàðû ñî÷èíÿëè íîòó ÒÀÑÑ,
Íî ïðèì÷àëèñü ñàíèòàðû è çàôèêñèðîâàëè íàñ...
Â. Âûñîöêèé
Íà ìîé âçãëÿä, ìåõàíè÷åñêàÿ ôèêñàöèÿ - ìåðà êðàéíÿÿ, ëó÷øå - ìåäèêàìåíòîçíàÿ. Ê òîìó æå, êàê ïðàâèëî ìåõàíè÷åñêàÿ ôèêñàöèÿ ïðîâîöèðóåò àãðåññèþ è ïîýòîìó åå ñòîèò èçáåãàòü.
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Ñòàðûé 26.04.2005, 23:36
Àâàòàð äëÿ áðóêñà
áðóêñà áðóêñà âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,887
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 101 ðàç(à) çà 94 ñîîáùåíèé
áðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov
Ìû ïðî âçðûâû, ïðî ïîæàðû ñî÷èíÿëè íîòó ÒÀÑÑ,
Íî ïðèì÷àëèñü ñàíèòàðû è çàôèêñèðîâàëè íàñ...
Â. Âûñîöêèé
Íà ìîé âçãëÿä, ìåõàíè÷åñêàÿ ôèêñàöèÿ - ìåðà êðàéíÿÿ, ëó÷øå - ìåäèêàìåíòîçíàÿ. Ê òîìó æå, êàê ïðàâèëî ìåõàíè÷åñêàÿ ôèêñàöèÿ ïðîâîöèðóåò àãðåññèþ è ïîýòîìó åå ñòîèò èçáåãàòü.
À âîò íà ìîé âçãëÿä ñîâñåì íàîáîðîò - êóäà áåçîïàñíåå íàäåæíî çàôèêñèðîâàòü áîëüíîãî, ÷åì ââîäèòü âåùåñòâà óãíåòàþùèå ñîçíàíèå/äûõàíèå (òåì áîëåå, ÷òî ó áîëüøèíñòâà íóæäàþùèõñÿ â ýòîé ìåðå èòàê â êðîâè áðîäèò êîêòåéëü èç òîêñèíîâ, àëêîãîëÿ è/èëè ïðî÷èõ íåõîðîøèõ ñóáñòàíöèé).  ñëó÷àå, êîíå÷íî, êîãäà íåò âûðàæåííîé àãðåññèâíîé ðåàêöèè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #4  
Ñòàðûé 27.04.2005, 13:52
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr. Vadim
Dr. Vadim Dr. Vadim âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 06.04.2005
Ãîðîä: Åêàòåðèíáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,709
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 301 ðàç(à) çà 251 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. Vadim ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Vadim ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Vadim ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Vadim ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Vadim ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Vadim ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Vadim ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Vadim ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Vadim ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Vadim ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Vadim ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âîïðîñ, êîíå÷íî, èíòåðåñíûé!
Åñëè ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî êàêîé-íèáóäü òàêîé çàôèêñèðîâàíûûé ïðåäúÿâèò èñê ê âðà÷ó èëè ê ó÷åðåæäåíèþ î ïîïðàíèè ñâîèõ ïðàâ, òî åäèíñòâåííîå, íàâåðíîå, ÷òî ìîæíî ýòîìó ïðîòèâîïîñòàâèòü - ýòî ñêàçàòü, ÷òî âðà÷ ïðè ôèêñàöèè ïàöèåíòà èñõîäèë èç ïðèíöèïà "íå íàâðåäè". Äåéñòâèòåëüíî, â ñîñòîÿíèè âîçáóæäåíèÿ ïàöèåíò òåîðåòè÷åñêè ìîæåò íàíåñòè ñåáå óâå÷üÿ, îòñîåäèíèòü ñèñòåìó îò öåíòðàëüíîãî âåíîçíîãî êàòåòåðà è âîîáùå óñóãóáèòü ñèòóàöèþ, à âðà÷, ôèêñèðóÿ íåàäåêâàòíîãî ïàöèåíòà, òåì ñàìûì ïðåäîòâðàùàåò ýòè âîçìîæíûå îñëîæíåíèÿ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #5  
Ñòàðûé 27.04.2005, 17:26
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr. Makhotin
Dr. Makhotin Dr. Makhotin âíå ôîðóìà
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.10.2004
Ãîðîä: ã. Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 319
Dr. Makhotin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Makhotin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Makhotin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Makhotin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov
Íà ìîé âçãëÿä, ìåõàíè÷åñêàÿ ôèêñàöèÿ - ìåðà êðàéíÿÿ, ëó÷øå - ìåäèêàìåíòîçíàÿ. Ê òîìó æå, êàê ïðàâèëî ìåõàíè÷åñêàÿ ôèêñàöèÿ ïðîâîöèðóåò àãðåññèþ è ïîýòîìó åå ñòîèò èçáåãàòü.
Ìåðà, êîíå÷íî, êðàéíÿÿ... íî âûíóæäåííàÿ. Ïîñóäèòå ñàìè, ìû ÷àñòî ïðèáåãàåì ê íåé ïðè íåàäåêâàòíîñòè ïàöèåíòà è êðàéíåé ñòåïåíè âîçáóæäåíèÿ, ò.å. ïðè îñòðîì ïñèõîòè÷åñêîì ñîñòîÿíèè. Îòñþäà è ïðèíèìàåìûå ìåðû... Êñòàòè, ïðè îïèñàíèè ñèìïòîìàòèêè â èñòîðèè áîëåçíè âîçíèêàåò è íàøå þðèäè÷åñêîå ïðàâî íà îòâåòíûå äåéñòâèÿ...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #6  
Ñòàðûé 27.04.2005, 18:51
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìàÿ Áðóêñà!
ß íå óâåðåí, ÷òî ýòî ëó÷øå. Ãàëîïåðèäîë - äîñòàòî÷íî áåçîïàñíûé ïðåïàðàò, ÃÎÌÊ òîæå... Ïðîñòî ôàðìàêîëîãè÷åñêè ýòî òðóäíåå, íî òðóäíî - íå çíà÷èò íåâîçìîæíî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 27.04.2005, 19:47
Àâàòàð äëÿ áðóêñà
áðóêñà áðóêñà âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,887
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 101 ðàç(à) çà 94 ñîîáùåíèé
áðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåáðóêñà ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov
Óâàæàåìàÿ Áðóêñà!
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Ïî ëþáîìó, â íàñòîÿùèé ìîìåíò ìåíÿ èíòåðåñóåò íå ìåäèöèíñêàÿ è ìîðàëüíî-ýòè÷åñêàÿ ñòîðîíû âîïðîñà, à èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî þðèäè÷åñêèé àñïåêò, ò. å. â êàêèõ äîêóìåíòàõ ýòî çàïèñàíî, è êàê ïðàâèëüíî îôîðìëÿòü.
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Àâàòàð äëÿ reopoliglucin
reopoliglucin reopoliglucin âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
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reopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ñòàðûé 27.04.2005, 20:31
Àâàòàð äëÿ reopoliglucin
reopoliglucin reopoliglucin âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
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reopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
äà , è êàê ñ þðèäè÷åñêîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ êîãäà áîëüíîãî ê ñòîëó ïðèâÿçûâàþò â ñîçíàíèè äî èíäóêöèè???
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Ñòàðûé 27.04.2005, 20:52
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 56 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

DEFINITIONS

Restraint: protective devices to protect a patient or others from injury or to prevent patient interference with medical treatment.

Types of restraints:

Hand mittens,
soft wrist restraints,
soft ankle restraints,
and vests may be used.

ORDERS FOR PATIENT RESTRAINT

A physician order is required to restrain a patient. The order must be dated and timed, must indicate the period for which restraint is to be used, must indicate the alternative interventions employed prior to the restraint order, and must be renewed by the physician every 24 hours after assessing the patient for the continued need for restraints. PRN restraint orders are not acceptable.

OBSERVATION/DOCUMENTATION

Documentation on the Restraint Monitoring form will include the alternatives used, type of restraint, and location of restrain.

Patient assessment and intervention is documented on the Restraint Monitoring form. Initials on this form indicate compliance with the standard for the defined period of time. Alterations from the standard are documented in the medical record.

Patients in limb restraints (including mittens) should be assessed every hour for skin irritation and circulation.

All restrained patients must be assessed every two hours for mental status, safety, and needs related to hydration, elimination, and nutrition.

Limb restraints (including mittens) must be removed every four hours and range of motion exercises provided.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Federal Regulations on the Use of Restraints
for Acute Medical and Surgical Care
1 The patient has the right to be free from restraints of any form that are not medically necessary or are used as a means of coercion, discipline, convenience or retaliation by staff.
2 A restraint can only be used, if needed, to improve the patient's well-being and less restrictive interventions have been determined to be ineffective.
3 The use of restraints must be in accordance with the order of a physician or other licensed independent practitioner.
4 The condition of the restrained patient must be continually assessed, monitored and reevaluated.
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Ñòàðûé 27.04.2005, 21:24
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áðóêñà áðóêñà âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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Ñòàðûé 27.04.2005, 21:29
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yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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