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Íàñ÷åò æåëàòåëüíîñòè óòî÷íåíèÿ äèàãíîçà íå ðàç óæå âûñêàçàëèñü. Ýòè ïîñëåäíèå ñîîáùåíèÿ êàñàþòñÿ ìåõàíè÷åñêîé òðàâìû êàê îäíîé èç íàèáîëåå âåðîÿòíûõ ïðè÷èí ïðîáëåì. È íåïîñðåäñòâåííîãî îòíîøåíèÿ ê ýòîìó êîíêðåòíîìó ïàöèåíòó íå èìåþò.
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ýòî òåõíè÷åñêè äëÿ äàííîãî âîçäåéñòâèÿ âîçìîæíî. Èñïîëüçîâàíèå ôóíêöèîíàëüíûõ øêàë è îïðîñíèêîâ â îðòîïåäèè äàåò âïîëíå íàäåæíûå ðåçóëüòàòû, ïðèãîäíûå äëÿ îáîáùåíèé, íåñìîòðÿ íà âðîäå áû ñóáúåêòèâíîñòü êàæäîãî îòäåëüíîãî îòâåòà. Åñëè îñíîâíàÿ è êîíòðîëüíàÿ ãðóïïà íè÷åì íå îòëè÷àþòñÿ, êðîìå èçó÷àåìîãî âîçäåéñòâèÿ (ðàíäîìèçàöèÿ èñêëþ÷àåò ñèñòåìàòè÷åñêóþ îøèáêó òàêîãî ðîäà), òî íåòó íèêàêèõ îñíîâàíèé îæèäàòü, ÷òî ïîëó÷åííûå ðàçëè÷èÿ â ôóíêöèîíàëüíîé îöåíêå èëè òàì êà÷åñòâå æèçíè îáóñëîâëåíû ÷åì-òî äðóãèì, êðîìå ýòîãî âîçäåéñòâèÿ. |
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[quote=alex2006mobile;1211044]Óâû, íåòó íàó÷íûõ äàííûõ, ÷òî îíè ýòó ñàìóþ ýôôåêòèâíîñòü äëÿ âîññòàíîâëåíèÿ ôóíêöèè ìàëîáåðöîâîãî íåðâà èìåþò. Ïðîñïåêòèâíûõ èññëåäîâàíèé ñ ðàíäîìèçàöèåé è ñëåïûì êîíòðîëåì íèêòî íå ïðîâîäèë. Îïðîâåðæåíèé íå íàéòè è ïðî ïðèêëàäûâàíèå ïòè÷üåãî ïîìåòà.
ò.å. íàëîæèëè øèíó è âñå â ïîðÿäêå? òîãäà æäó îò âàñ íàó÷íûõ äàííûõ îá ýôôåêòèâíîñòè íàëîæåíèÿ øèíû-îðòåçà äëÿ âîññòàíîâëåíèÿ ìàëîáåðöîâîãî íåðâà, òîëüêî ÷òîáû ýòî áûëè ïðîñïåêòèâíûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ ñ ðàíäîìèçàöèåé. Ìîæíî è òàê: ýôôåêòèâíîñòü âîññòàíîâëåíèÿ ìûøö â %: 1. íèêàêîãî ëå÷åíèÿ íå ïðîâîäèëîñü 2. îðòåçèðîâàíèå áåç ëå÷åíèÿ 3. îðòåçèðîâàíèå è ôèçèîòåðàïèÿ, âêëþ÷àÿ ýëåêòðîñòèìóëÿöèþ 4. òîëüêî ýëêòðîñòèìóëÿöèÿ. Êàê Âû îöåíèâàåòå âîññòàíîâëåíèå ìûøö, ïî êàêèì êðèòåðèÿì? òîæå ññûëêó íà íàóêó, åñëè ìîæíî |
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Íà âñÿêèé ñëó÷àé íàïîìíþ, ÷òî íåðâ íàõîäèòñÿ âíóòðè, à øèíà - ñíàðóæè. Øèíà óäåðæèâàåò ñòîïó èëè êèñòü â æåëàåìîì ïîëîæåíèè, è âðÿä ëè ñòîèò îæèäàòü îò íåå áîëüøåãî. È ýòîò çàìå÷àòåëüíûé ýôôåêò øèíû ñàìîî÷åâèäåí, òàê ÷òî íå òðåáóåò èçîùðåííûõ èññëåäîâàíèé. ×òî êàñàåòñÿ ïîëîæèòåëüíûõ ýôôåêòîâ êàêèõ-òî âîçäåéñòâèé íà âîññòàíîâëåíèå ôóíêöèè íåðâà - åñëè Âû èõ ïðåäïîëàãàåòå, ñàìè è îçàáîòüòåñü ïîèñêîì èõ ïîäòâåðæäåíèé. Íàñ÷åò "îöåíêè âîññòàíîâëåíèÿ ìûøö" - íàâåðíî, ïðè òðàâìå ìàëîáåðöîâîãî íåðâà ïðàâèëüíåå ãîâîðèòü î âîññòàíîâëåíèè èìåííî åãî ôóíêöèè. È íåïëîõèì êðèòåðèåì âîññòàíîâëåíèÿ ìîæåò ñëóæèòü ïîÿâëåíèå àêòèâíîé òûëüíîé ôëåêñèè ñòîïû. |
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Âî ìíîãèõ àíãëîÿçû÷íûõ òåêñòàõ, íàïðèìåð, ïðî ýëåêòðîñòèìóëÿöèþ ïðè ìåõàíè÷åñêèõ ïîâðåæäåíèÿõ è êîìïðåññèÿõ íåðâîâ íå íàïèñàíî. È, îêàçûâàåòñÿ, â 2010 ã. åùå òîëüêî ïðåäñòàâëÿþò ñîâñåì ñâåæèå èññëåäîâàíèÿ ÝÑ â ýòîé îáëàñòè. À â òåêóùåé ïðàêòèêå äîâîäèòñÿ âñòðå÷àòü ñïîíòàííîå âîññòàíîâëåíèå ôóíêöèè ìàëîáåðöîâîãî èëè ëó÷åâîãî íåðâîâ áåç ÝÑ. È íàîáîðîò, îòñóòñòâèå âîññòàíîâëåíèÿ íà ôîíå ÝÑ. Âîò è õîòåëîñü áû óÿñíèòü, äåéñòâèòåëüíî ëè êàêàÿ-òî êîíêðåòíàÿ ÝÑ ïðè òðàâìå íåðâà ñïîñîáíà ÷òî-òî óëó÷øèòü, è ÷òî èìåííî, è íàñêîëüêî . Ïîêà ìíå íå âñòðåòèëîñü ðàíäîìèçèðîâàííûõ èññëåäîâàíèé, íàïðèìåð, äîêàçûâàþùèõ, ÷òî îò ÝÑ àêòèâíàÿ òûëüíàÿ ôëåêñèÿ ñòîïû ïîÿâëÿåòñÿ ðàíüøå, è íà ñêîëüêî. Åñëè êîìó-òî îíè èçâåñòíû - ïîçíàêîìüòå pls. |
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Íå â îäíèõ òîëüêî àòðîôèÿõ è êîíòðàêòóðàõ äåëî. Íå íàäî çàáûâàòü ïðî ôóíêöèþ âñåé íèæíåé êîíå÷íîñòè. Äëÿ òîãî "orthopedic assistance" è òðåáóåòñÿ - ÷òî, ãäå çàòÿíóòü è ïîäòÿíóòü. È êàêîé äåâàéñ äëÿ ýòîãî èñïîëüçîâàòü. ÈÌÕÎ. Ç.Û. Òàê êàêîé îðòîïåäè÷åñêèé äåâàéñ íóæåí? |
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Åñëè îòâåòèòü "Âñå, äëÿ ÷åãî äîêàçàíà ïîëüçà" - ïðèøüþò íåíàäëåæàùåå èñïîëíåíèå äîëæíîñòíûõ îáÿçàííîñòåé? Öèòàòà:
"It is important to distinguish treatments that are supported in the scientific literature from those that are advocated by any particular device manufacturer or any other party with a vested financial interest".  ñëó÷àå foot drop âûãëÿäèò ðàçóìíûì ïðèìåíåíèå ÝÑ äëÿ "íåéðîïðîòåçèðîâàíèÿ". Íèêàêèõ îæèäàíèé íà óëó÷øåíèå ôóíêöèè ñîáñòâåííî ïîâðåæäåííîãî íåðâà íå âèäíî. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] In patients in whom foot drop is due to hemiplegia, peroneal nerve stimulation can be considered. This type of stimulation was first applied in 1961. Nerve stimulation has advantages to the AFO, as it provides active gait correction and can be tailored to individual patients. In this system, a short burst of electrical stimulation is applied to the common peroneal nerve between the popliteal fossa and fibular head. A switch in the heel of the affected limb controls this burst. The stimulator is activated when the foot is lifted, and it is then stopped when the foot contacts the ground. This achieves dorsiflexion and eversion during the swing phase of gait. Åñëè âñïîìíèòü ïðî CTS, òî â íå ñàìîì äàâíåì ñèñòåìàòè÷åñêîì îáçîðå "Effectiveness of hand therapy interventions in primary management of carpal tunnel syndrome: a systematic review." (2004) ÷åãî òîëüêî íå óïîìèíàåòñÿ (splinting, ultrasound, nerve gliding exercises, carpal bone mobilization, magnetic therapy, and yoga), à âîò ýëåêòðîñòèìóëÿöèè òîæå íåò. |
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Êàê, íåóæåëè, òàêîå óòâåðæäåíèå âîçìîæíî ñ Âàøåé ñòîðîíû áåç ÐÊÈ, ðåâüþ, ìåòààíàëèçîâ? Íå âåðþ! Òàêèå òðàíñôîðìàöèè Âàøåãî ìûøëåíèÿ! Âû óæå óçíàëè î òîì, ÷òî ñóùåñòâóåò ôóíêöèîíàëüíàÿ ýëåêòðîñòèìóëÿöèÿ! Î äðóãèõ âèäàõ ýëåêòðîñòèìóëÿöèè ÿ Âàì ðàññêàæó íà äíÿõ. Êàê òîëüêî ïîçâîëèò âðåìÿ. Æäèòå.
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[quote=alex2006mobile;1213035]Êàêîãî â ñëó÷àå ñäàâëåíèÿ èëè êîíòóçèè ìàëîáåðöîâîãî íåðâà?
Áûâàëè ñëó÷àè ñ òÿæåëîé êîìïðåññèåé ìàëîáåðöîâîãî íåðâà èìåííî â áûòó, áåç ïðÿìîãî òðàâìàòè÷åñêîãî âîçäåéñòâèÿ íà îáëàñòü êîëåíà èëè ãîëåíè, ñ ðàçâèòèåì â äàëüíåéøåì ïàðåçà ðàçãèáàòåëåé è ì.-îòâÿäÿùèõ ñòîïó. Âîò èíòåðåñíî, ÷òî äóìàþò íåéðîõèðóðãè î êîìïðåññèîííûõ íåâðîïàòèÿõ â ÑØÀ. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] ×àùå âñåãî íåðâ âîññòàíàâëèâàåòñÿ..Often, if the pressure on the nerve is released, this cascade effect can be broken. The nerve will begin to heal, and the barrier will be restored. Injury to the axons or the myelin also will heal. Most often, symptoms that result from compression of a nerve can be reversed, even in long-standing cases. But when noticeable motor loss or severe sensory loss occurs, full recovery may not be realized. Íî êîãäà çàìåòíà òÿæåëàÿ ñòåïåíü ïàðåçà èëè ÷óâñòâèòåëüíûõ íàðóøåíèé, òî ïîëíîãî âîññòàíîâëåíèÿ ìîæåò è íå áûòü. È ïðåäëàãàþò ïðîñòóþ îïåðàöèþ ïî äåêîìïðåññèè. When the weakness is due to compression of the peroneal nerve, a simple operation can be performed to improve the situation. The peroneal nerve runs around the neck of bone on the outside of the leg (fibula) just below the knee. It then runs under a muscle that frequently has a tight fascial edge (the peroneus longus). At the point where the nerve runs under this muscle, this tight spot can be released and pressure eliminated. Many times, this is all that is required to restore function to the foot. Òàê ÷òî òå÷åíèå è ïðîãíîç ìîæåò áûòü ðàçíûé äàæå ïðè êîìïðåññèè, åñëè ïðåäëàãàþòñÿ îïåðàöèè ïî äåêîìïðåññèè ìàëîáåðöîâîãî íåðâà. Íåò ÷åòêîãî êðèòåðèÿ "âñ¸, çàâòðà íà îïåðàöèþ", ó âàñ âñåãäà áóäåò ïàðåç èçíà÷àëüíî è "çíàòü íàâåðíÿêà íà 100%" ÷òî âñå ïðîéäåò íå ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ âîçìîæíûì. Ïîýòîìó òåìà ïðî àäåêâàòíîå ëå÷åíèå êîìïðåññèîííûõ íåâðîïàòèé óæ â áëèæàéøåå âðåìÿ áóäåò äèñêóòèðîâàòüñÿ, ÿ äóìàþ, òî÷íî. Ñêîëüêî íîñèòü øèíó, èñïîëüçîâàòü ëè ýëåêòðîñòèìóëÿöèþ èëè ëó÷øå ñðàçó áðàòü íà "ïðîñòóþ" îïåðàöèþ ïî äåêîìïðåññèè - ïîêàæåò âðåìÿ. |