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Íåòèïè÷íûé ñëó÷àé, ïîæàëóé, áåç èññëåäîâàíèÿ êîñòíîãî ìîçãà íå îáîéòèñü...
âåðîÿòíûå ïðè÷èíû - íàðóøåíèÿ îáìåíà êîáàëàìèíà òèàìèí-äåôèöèòíàÿ ìàêðîöèò. àíåìèÿ âðîæäåííàÿ äèçýòèòðîïîýòè÷. àíåìèÿ (òèï I èëè III)
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Çäðàâñòâóéòå, äîêòîð. Âàøå ìíåíèå ïîíÿòíî.
Íàø äîêòîð ñêàçàë, ÷òî áûâàåò óãíåòåíèå ôóíêöèé êîñòíîãî ìîçãà ó ìëàäåíöåâ, êîòîðûå ìîãóò ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî âîññòàíîâèòüñÿ è ýòî íåäîñòàòî÷íî èçó÷åíî. Ëå÷åíèå íå íàçíà÷èë, ñêàçàë íàáëþäàòüñÿ. 17.12.08 Îáùèé àíàëèç êðîâè Ãåìîãëîáèí (Hb)....94.00.... ã/ë...................94.00 - 130.00 Ýðèòðîöèòû (Ýð......3.34......10^12/ë ......... 3.40 - 5.10 Ãåìàòîêðèò ...........27.40....%.................. 32.00 - 44.00 MCV (ñðåäíèé îáúåì Ýð.)..82.00..ôë...........84.00 - 106.00 MCH (ñîäåðæàíèå Hb â 1 Ýð.)..28.10..ïã.......25.60 - 32.20 MCHC (ñðåäí. êîíöåíòð. Hb â Ýð.)..34.30..ã/äë..28.00 - 37.00 Òðîìáîöèòû............339.00 ......10^9/ë.......217.00 - 497.00 Ëåéêîöèòû.............9.53..........10^9/ë....... 6.00 - 18.00 Ëèìôîöèòû.............73.80........%.............. .45.00 - 70.00 Ìîíîöèòû................8.10.........%............ ..1.00 - 11.00 Íåéòðîôèëû.............15.80........%............. .16.00 - 45.00 Ýîçèíîôèëû.............2.20..........%............ ..1.00 - 5.00 Áàçîôèëû.................0.10..........%.......... ....0.00 - 1.00 ÑÎÝ........................5.00...........ìì/÷............2.00 - 17.00 Ìèêðîñêîïèÿ ìàçêà êðîâè àíåìèÿ |
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Ïîñëåäíèé àíàëèç òîæå îòëè÷àåòñÿ - óæå íåò ìàêðîöèòîçà, à ñêîðåå ìèêðîöèòîç...
 ìàçêå êðîìå àíåìèè, íåò îïèñàíèÿ ýðèòðîöèòîâ?
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Äàòà àíàëèçà 24.12.2008
òåñò..ðåçóëüòàò..Åä èçìåðåíèÿ..Äîëæíûå çíà÷åíèÿ WBC...... 7.36.......10e9/L.....4.00-10.0 RBC....... 3.43.......10e12/L...4.00-5.00 HGB....... 99.3.......q/L.........120-160 HTC....... 29.5.......%.......... 36.0-50.0 MCV.........86........tL..........82.0-95.0 MCH.......28.9.......Pq..........27-31 MCHC..... 337........q/L.........320-360 RDW.......13.7.......%CV.......11.5-17.00 PLT........265........10e9/L....180-320 MPV....... 6.76.......tL...........7-11 NEU........15.1.......%..........48-78 LYM....... 72.2.......%.......... 19-37 MONO.....7.37.......%..........3-11 EOS....... 3.56.......%.........0.500-5.00 BASO......1.70.......%..........0-1.00 NEU........1.11.......10e9/L... 2.00-6.90 LYM....... 5.32.......10e9/L....0.600-3.40 MONO.... 0.542......10e9/L... 0.00-.900 EOS...... 0.262..... 10e9/L....0.00-.700 BASO.... 0.125..... 10e9/L....0.00-.200 |
#20
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Çäðàâñòâóéòå!
Íàø ó÷àñòêîâûé äîêòîð ãîâîðèò, ÷òî â åãî ïðàêòèêå òàêèõ äåòåé áûëà îäíà äåâî÷êà. ×òî ïîêà ñîáèðàëèñü ïóíêöèþ äåëàòü, ïîêàçàòåëè ñàìè íîðìàëèçîâàëèñü. |
#21
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Äàòà àíàëèçà 23.01.2009
òåñò..ðåçóëüòàò..Åä èçìåðåíèÿ..Äîëæíûå çíà÷åíèÿ WBC...... 7.72.......10e9/L.....4.00-10.0 RBC....... 3.86.......10e12/L...4.00-5.00 HGB....... 106.......q/L.........120-160 HCT....... 31.7.......%.......... 36.0-50.0 MCV.........82.2........tL..........82.0-95.0 MCH.......27.3.......Pq..........27-31 MCHC..... 333........q/L.........320-360 RDW.......13.5.......%CV.......11.5-17.00 PLT........239........10e9/L....180-320 MPV....... 6.34.......tL...........7-11 NEU........13.........%..........48-78 LYM....... 74.8.......%.......... 19-37…VAR LYM MONO.....7.41.......%..........3-11…NWBC EOS....... 2.91.......%.........0.500-5.00 BASO......1.84.......%..........0-1.00 NEU........1.01.......10e9/L... 2.00-6.90 LYM....... 5.77.......10e9/L....0.600-3.40 MONO.... 0.572......10e9/L... 0.00-.900 EOS...... 0.225..... 10e9/L....0.00-.700 BASO.... 0.142..... 10e9/L....0.00-.200 |
#22
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À êàêèå àíàëèçû íóæíî äåëàòü äëÿ êîíòðîëÿ, îáùèé ïëþñ ðåòèêóëàöèòû èëè èìååò ñìûñë íàáëþäàòü çà ôåðèòèíîì, æåëåçîì, òðàíñôåðåòèíîì, ãàïòîãëîáèíîì???
Ñåé÷àñ íàçíà÷àþò äåëàòü òî, ÷òî âûêëàäûâàþ íà ôîðóìå. Âðà÷ ïðåäïîëîæèë ÷òî ýòî ìîæåò áûòü òðàíçèòîðíàÿ ýðèòðîáëàñòîïåíèÿ ðåáåíêà ðàííåãî âîçðàñòà, ëå÷åíèÿ íåò. À îò ÷åãî ýòî ïðîèñõîäèò? Ïî êàêîé ïðè÷èíå ñáîé ïðîðèçîøåë? Ýòî ÷òî-òî ÿ íå äîäàëà âî âðåìÿ áåðåìåííîñòè? èëè ïîòîìó, ÷òî íà òàáëåòêàõ áåðåìåííîñòü? Íà óìñòâåííîì è ôèçè÷åñêîì ðàçâèòèè ðåáåíêà îòðàçèòñÿ ýòî êàê-òî, åñëè âñå ïðîéäåò ñàìî? |
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Åñëè ïðåäïîëàãàòü òðàíçèòîðíóþ ýðèòðîáëàñòîïåíèþ (åå òî êàê ðàç è ïîäòâåðæäàþò ïðè ïóíêöèè ÊÌ), òî íè÷åãî î íåé íå èçâåñòíî è íè÷åãî äåëàòü íå íóæíî...
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
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Íî ãåìîãëîáèí ïîâûøàåòñÿ êàæåòñÿ, òüôó, òüôó, òüôó...ìîæåò è íå ïîäòâåðäèòñÿ äèàãíîç...
Åùå ó äåâî÷êè âûÿâëåíà äèñïëàçèÿ òàçîáåäðåííûõ ñóñòàâîâ. 1) Ìîæåò áûòü åñòü ñâÿçü ìåæäó àíåìèåé è äèñïëàçèåé, â òîì ñìûñëå âîïðîñ, ÷òî ýòî ïîìîæåò â óñòàíàâêå äèàãíîçà? 2)Íóæíî ëè ñäàâàòü íà Â12 è äðóãèå âèòàìèíû? ß ìîãó ñ âðà÷åì ïîãîâîðèòü è îí âîçìîæíî íàçíà÷èò. Ýòî íóæíî êîòðîëèðîâàòü â íàøåì ñëó÷àå? 3) Äëÿ ïîñòàíîâêè äèàãíîçà íóæíà ïóíêöèÿ, áóäåò ïóíêöèÿ, â 99 % ïîñòàâÿò äèàãíîç, òîãäà âîçìîæíî ñíèìóòñÿ âîïðîñû. Èëè áåç ïóíêöèè ìîæíî îáîéòèñü, åñëè äîñòàòî÷íî ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíîãî äèàãíîçà? |
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Åñëè ãîâîðèòü î âûøåóïîì. äèàãíîçå, òî ñòåðí. ïóíêöèþ äåëàþò â ìîìåíò àíåìèè, ñåé÷àñ êîãäà èäåò âîññòàíîâëåíèå êîñòí. ìîçãà äàæå ïðè âûïîëíåíèè ýòîãî èññëåäîâàíèÿ íè÷åãî óæå íåâîçìîæíî óñòàíîâèòü. Íèêàêèõ äîï. àíàëèçîâ íå íóæíî.
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
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Çäðàâñòâóéòå!
Îïÿòü ê âàì ñ âîïðîñàìè. Âîò ñäàâàëè àíàëèçû Äàííûå 19.02.09 WBC... 7.67...4-10 RBC... 4.1..... 4-5 HGB... 112.....120-160 HCT... 32.9.....36-50 MCV... 80.2..... 82-95 MCH... 27.3..... 17-31 MCHC... 341.... 320-360 RDW.... 14.3..... 11.5-18 PLT..... 236....... 180-320 MPV..... 6.61...... 7-11 Ðåòèêóëîöèòû 7%0 ó/ 0,82 ñåãì 11, ýçîô 2, ìîíî 6, ëèô 81 èç íèõ: 4 ñ ÿäðîì Ðèäåðà 4 øèðîêîïëàçìåííûõ (åñëè ïðàâèëüíî ðàçîáðàëà ïî÷åðê) è ñ çåðíèñòîñòüþ â öèòîïëàçìå ÑÎÝ 6 NEU... 11.5% .... 48-78 LYM... 76.6%..... 19-37 MONO... 6.96%.... 3-11 EOS... 2.8%..... 0.5-5 BASO... 2.13%....... 0-1 NEU... 0.882...10e9/ë.. 2-6 LYM... 5.87.....10e9/ë.. 0.6-3.4 MONO... 0.534..10e9/ë.. 0.0-0.9 EOS... 0.215....10e9/ë.. 0.0-0.7 BASO... 0.163.. 10e9/ë.. 0.0- 0.2 Äàííûå 02.04.09 WBC... 9,21... 4-10 RBC... 4.11.... 4-5 HGB... 113.... 120-160 HCT... 33,2.... 36-50 MCV... 80.6.... 82-95 MCH... 27.5.... 27-31 MCHC... 341.... 320-360 RDW... 14.3.... 11.5-18 PLT... 270...... 180-320 MPV... 6.25..... 7-11 Ðåòèêóëîöèòû 6%0 ó/ 0,82 ñåãì 13, ýçîô 2, áàçî 1, ìîíî 6, ëèô 78 èç íèõ: 4 øèðîêîöèòîïëàçìåííûå, 3 ëèìôîèäíûå ýëåìåíòû ïî÷òè ãîëîÿäåðíûå ÑÎÝ 4 NEU... 10.9 %.... 48-78 LYM... 77.5%..... 19-37 MONO... 7,03%... 3-11 EOS... 2.55%..... 0.5-5 BASO... 2.01%.... 0.0-1 NEU... 1.00... 10e9/ë... 2-6.9 LYM... 7.14... 10e9/ë... 0.6-3.4 MONO... 0.648... 10e9/ë... 0-0.9 EOS... 0.234... 10e9/ë... 0- 0.7 BASO... 0.185... 10e9/ë... 0-0.2 Ïî âñåì àíàëèçàì êîòîðûå áûëè ñäåëàíû èäåò ñíèæåíèå íåéòðîôèëîâ, ìîæíî ëè ïðîâîäèòü íà ýòîì ôîíå âàêöèíàöèþ, (âàêöèíèðîâàëèñü ïåíòàê÷èìîì 2 ðàçà)? ×òî äåëàòü ñ ïîíèæåíèåì èõ êîëè÷åñòâà? Êàê èíòåðïðåòèðîâàòü äàííûå ìîðôîëîãèè ëèìôîöèòîâ (ÿäðà Ðèäåðà, ãîëîÿäåðíûå) ýòî íîðìà èëè ñòîèò çàäóìàòüñÿ? Ïî ðåçóëüòàòàì ÓÇÈ îáíàðóæåíû: 1) õîëåñòàç, äåôîðìàöèÿ ãèïîòîíîìè÷åñêîãî æåë÷íîãî ïóçûðÿ. 2) äèñìåòàáîëè÷åñêèå èçìåíåíèÿ ïî÷åê. Åñòü ëè ñâÿçü ñ íàøèìè îòêëîíåíèÿìè â àíàëèçàõ êðîâè? Êàêèå íàøè äàëüíåéøèå äåéñòâèÿ, ìîæåò áûòü êàêèå-òî ëåêàðñòâà ïðèíèìàòü? Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðíà çà îòâåò! |
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Åñòü íåáîëüøàÿ íåéòðîïåíèÿ, íî åòðî íå êðèòè÷íî, ãåìîãëîáèí âîññòàíîâèëñÿ äî âîçðàñòíîé íîðìû. Âàêöèíàöèÿ íå ïðîòèâîïîêàçàíà. Ìîðôîëîãèè ëèìôîöèòîâ íå ïðåäàâàéòå çíà÷åíèÿ... Ïîëàãàþ, ÷òî íàõîäêè íà ÓÇÈ ñëó÷àéíûå è íå ñïåöèôè÷íûå... Íåîáõîäèìîñòè â ëå÷åíèè íåò íèêàêîé.
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |