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Ñòàðûé 16.07.2012, 20:06
Antriregiro Antriregiro âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
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Äèàãíîñòèêà òîêñîïëàçìîçà - ñîâðåìåííûé ïîäõîä.

Çäðàâñòâóéòå!
Ïîìîãèòå ïîæàëóéñòà ðàçîáðàòüñÿ.
Ìíå 25 ëåò.
Áûëî òðè áåðåìåííîñòè. Ïåðâûå äâå çàêîí÷èëèñü áëàãîïîëó÷íî ðîäàìè. Çäîðîâûå äåòêè.
1 ìàÿ òðåòüÿ áåðåìåííîñòü ïðåðâàëàñü íà 7é íåäåëå. Âûêèäûø, à çàòåì è ÷èñòêà. Ðåêîìåíäîâàíî áûëî âîçäåðæàòüñÿ îò ïîïûòîê ñíîâà çàáåðåìåíåòü íà 1-2 ãîäà.
Ïåðåæèëè ñ ìóæåì î÷åíü ñèëüíîå ýìîöèîíàëüíîå ïîòðÿñåíèå. Ïîòîìó ÷òî î÷åíü õîòåëè ýòîãî ðåáåíêà è íèêàê íå îæèäàëè ÷òî ñ íàìè ìîæåò òàêîå ïðîèçîéòè.
Ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî ðåøèëà ñäàòü áàêïîñåâ.
Çíàêîìàÿ ïîðåêîìåíäîâàëà «ñàìóþ ëó÷øóþ» è êàê ïîçæå ÿ ïîíÿëà, ñàìóþ äîðîãóþ â íàøåì ãîðîäå ëàáîðàòîðèþ.
Ñäàëà íà Torch è óðîãåíèòàëüíûå èíôåêöèè.
Âñå íîðìàëüíî êðîìå:
Àíòèòåëà IgG ê Toxoplasma gondii 31.64 ME/ìë
Àíòèòåëà IgÌ ê Toxoplasma gondii 8,72 ME/ìë (áîëåå 1 ïîëîæèòåëüíûé ðåçóëüòàò)
Ïîñëå â èíòåðíåòå íà÷èòàëàñü íåïðèÿòíûõ îòçûâîâ î êà÷åñòâå â ýòîé ëàáîðàòîðèè.
Ðåøèëà ïåðåñäàòü â äðóãîé íà Òîêñîïëàçìà IgG è IgÌ.
×åðåç äåíü ðåçóëüòàò:
Àíòèòåëà IgG ê Toxoplasma gondii - îòðèöàòåëüíûé
Àíòèòåëà IgÌ ê Toxoplasma gondii – ïîëîæèòåëüíûé (áîëüøå íîðìû â 3 ðàçà)
Òî÷íûõ äàííûõ ýòîãî àíàëèçà ê ñîæàëåíèþ íåòó, òàê êàê âðà÷ ïðèêðåïèëà èìåííî ýòîò àíàëèç ê êàðòå áîëüíîãî.
Ò.ê. 1 è 2 âòîðàÿ ëàáîðàòîðèÿ äàëè ðàçíûå ðåçóëüòàòû, òî ðåøèëà ñäàòü åùå ðàç â òðåòüåé ëàáîðàòîðèè. ×åðåç 3 äíÿ ðåçóëüòàò.
Àíòèòåëà IgG ê Toxoplasma gondii - 7,10 – ñ 6.4 ïî 9,9 – ñîìíèòåëüíûé.
Àíòèòåëà IgÌ ê Toxoplasma gondii – 1,19 - áîëåå 1,0 ïîçèòèâíûé.

Ñ àíàëèçàìè îò òðåõ ëàáîðàòîðèé èäó ê åäèíñòâåííîìó â ãîðîäå ñïåöèàëèñòó (îòçûâû â èíòåðíåòå îò êðàéíå íåãàòèâíûõ äî î÷åíü õîðîøèõ îá ýòîì âðà÷å). Ðàññêàçûâàþ ïî÷åìó ñäàâàëà ìíîãî ðàç. Âðà÷ îäîáðÿåò. Ïåðâûé àíàëèç âðà÷ ìíå îòäàåò è ãîâîðèò ÷òî åãî ðàññìàòðèâàòü íå áóäåì. Âòîðîé ïðèêðåïëÿåò ê êàðòî÷êå è íàçíà÷àåò åùå àíàëèç íà Àâèäíîñòü è Àíòèòåëà IgÀ ê Toxoplasma gondii, è àíàëèç íà ïàðàçèòàðíûå èíôåêöèè.
×åðåç 10 äíåé ðåçóëüòàò.
Ïàðàçèòû íå îáíàðóæåíû.
Àâèäíîñòü – 12% (íèæå 30% - íèçêàÿ àâèäíîñòü)
Àíòèòåëà IgÀ ê Toxoplasma gondii – íå âûÿâëåíî.

Âðà÷ ïîñòàâèë ìíå òàêîé äèàãíîç: Òîêñîïðàçìîç. Ðåöèäèâ. Àâèäíîñòü 12 %.
Ñêàçàë ìíå ÷òî ñóùåñòâóþò ëþäè, î÷åíü íåáîëüøîé ïðîöåíò, ó êîòîðûõ Àíòèòåëà IgG ê Toxoplasma gondii íå ïîÿâëÿþòñÿ íèêîãäà. È ÷òî ÿ îòíîøóñü ê òàêèì ëþäÿì. Ýòî çíà÷èò ÷òî ó ìåíÿ íå áóäåò èììóíèòåòà ê ýòîé áîëåçíè è ÿ ìîãó ïîñòîÿííî ïåðåçàðàæàòüñÿ. ×òî ýòî î÷åíü ïëîõî, ëå÷èòüñÿ áóäåì, íî ýòî íå äàñò íèêàêîé ãàðàíòèè íà áóäóùåå. Ãîâîðèò ÷òî ïåðâè÷íîå èíôèöèðîâàíèå áûëî ïðèìåðíî 1-1,5 ãîäà íàçàä.
Ñàìà äóìàþ ÷òî ìîãëà áû çàðàçèòüñÿ ëèáî êîãäà ïîìîãàëà ãîòîâèòü ê âåñíå îáùåñòâåííóþ êëóìáó, êîïàëàñü â çåìëå. Ëèáî êîãäà ìûëè äåòñêóþ èãðîâóþ ïëîùàäêó ïîñëå çèìû. Êîòèêîâ â îêðóãå ìíîãî. Íó è ìîæåò êîíå÷íî ïèùåâîé ïóòü, õîòÿ ñòàðàþñü ÷òîá âñå áûëî õîðîøî òåðìè÷åñêè îáðàáîòàíî.

Âðà÷ íàçíà÷èë ñäåëàòü èììóíîãðàììó äî íà÷àëà ëå÷åíèÿ. Ñêàçàë ýòî äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû âûÿñíèòü ìîæíî ëè ìíå ñåé÷àñ áåðåìåíåòü. Ïðè÷åì â òîé ëàáîðàòîðèè, ÷òî ÿ ñäàâàëà ïåðâûé ðàç àíàëèçû. Ðåçóëüòàòû êîòîðîé äàæå íå ñòàëè ðàññìàòðèâàòü. Ïðè÷åì íàïèñàëà íà ôèðìåííîì ñ ëîãîòèïîì áëàíêå ýòîé ëàáîðàòîðèè. ß ïî÷åìó-òî â òîì ìîìåíò òàê áûëà ðàñòåðÿíà, ÷òî íå ñîîáðàçèëà çàäàòü âîïðîñ, ïî÷åìó èìåííî â ýòó, ðàç îíè âðóò. È âòîðîé âîïðîñ íå çàäàëà ïî ïîâîäó «ñåé÷àñ áåðåìåíåòü». Ïîíÿòíî âåäü ÷òî íåëüçÿ, ãèíåêîëîãè ñêàçàëè ÷òîá ãîä-äâà ïîñëå ÷èñòêè è íå äóìàëè. Òàê åñòü ëè ñìûñë â ýòîé èììóíîãðàììå ñåé÷àñ è â ýòîé ëàáîðàòîðèè?
Íàçíà÷åíî ëå÷åíèå:
Òîêñîãëîáóëèí, Ëàôåðîáèîí, Àòîêñèë.
×åðåç 2 ìåñÿöà ê íåé íà ïðèåì.
Ïðèõîæó äîìîé, ìàìà íà÷èíàåò çâîíèòü ïî àïòåêàì, ãäå îáû÷íî ïîêóïàåò ñâîè ëåêàðñòâà. Íèêòî íå çíàåò ëåêàðñòâà Òîêñîãëîáóëèí. Ïðåäëàãàþò ïîçâîíèòü â ñïðàâêó ïî ãîðîäó. Ñïðàâêà íå çíàåò òàêîãî ëåêàðñòâà. Èíòåðíåò òîæå íå çíàåò. Ñìîòðþ ÷òî ðåöåïò âûïèñàí òîæå íà ôèðìåííîì áëàíêå. Åñòü íîìåð òåëåôîíà. Îòâå÷àþò, ÷òî äà, åñòü òàêîé ïðåïàðàò. Áåðóò êàêèå-òî ñîìíåíèÿ. ×åðåç êàêîå-òî âðåìÿ ïîèñêîâ â èíòåðíåòå ïðèõîæó ê ìûñëè ÷òî ìîæåò ýòî «Èììóíîãëîáóëèí ïðîòèâ Toxoplasma gondii ÷åëîâåêà». Ïî öåíå ïîõîæå. Çâîíþ â Àïòåêó è îêàçûâàåòñÿ, ÷òî òàê è åñòü, à Òîêñîãëîáóëèí ýòî òèïà âðà÷åáíûé ñëåíã, êîòîðûé âñå àïòåêè çíàþò.
Âîò ñèæó êàê ó ðàçáèòîãî êîðûòà. Î÷åíü õî÷åòñÿ âûëå÷èòüñÿ. Íå ê êîìó îáðàòèòüñÿ. Êàê-òî íå î÷åíü âåðþ òåïåðü ýòîìó âðà÷ó. Åñëè ýòî ïðîñòî òàêèå ìàðêåòèíãîâûå øàãè ó âðà÷à, âñå áû íè÷åãî.
Óâàæàåìûå ñïåöèàëèñòû, ïîäñêàæèòå ÷òî Âû äóìàåòå ïî ïîâîäó êàðòèíû ìîåãî çàáîëåâàíèÿ. ×òî äåëàòü? Ìîæíî ëè ñâÿçûâàòü âûêèäûø 1 ìàÿ ñ òîêñîïëàçìîé? Ïðàâèëüíî ëè ìåíÿ òàê ëå÷èòü?
Ñïàñèáî. Î÷åíü íà Âàñ íàäåþñü.
Ôàìèëèþ âðà÷à è ãîðîä íàçâàòü íå ìîãó ïî ïîíÿòíûì ïðè÷èíàì.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 16.07.2012, 22:42
AlexT AlexT âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2003
Ãîðîä: Êðèâîé Ðîã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 861
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 64 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò qwerty Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Íèãäå â ìèðå íå îïðåäåëÿþò óðîâåíü IgÀ, ýòî àáñîëþòíî íåíóæíûé àíàëèç.
Çà÷åì òàê êàòåãîðè÷íî? Ìíîãî ÷åãî îïðåäåëÿþò, òîëüêî ïîêàçàíèÿ íóæíî çíàòü íàøèì äîêòîðàì.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 16.07.2012, 23:28
Àâàòàð äëÿ qwerty
qwerty qwerty âíå ôîðóìà
ÑÏÅÖÈÀËÈÑÒ
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.11.2004
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 23,089
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,815 ðàç(à) çà 6,488 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 15
qwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ó íèõ àâèäíîñòü â íåäàâíèõ ìåòîäàõ Ó íàñ ó æå ëåò 10 êàê â îñíîâíûõ. Çà÷åì îïðåäåëÿòü IgA ó âçðîñëîãî (ÿ íå ãîâîðþ ïðî êîíãåíèòàëüíûé òîêñîïëàçìîç), åñëè àâèäíîñòü îòâåòèò íà âñå âîïðîñû?
È âîò ýòî " Because low avidity antibodies may persist for many months, their presence does not necessarily indicate recently acquired infection." - ìíå ñîâñåì íå íðàâèòñÿ. Êàê ýòî îíè ïåðñèñòèðóþò ìåñÿöàìè? Ïî-ìîåìó, îíè ïåðåïóòàëè ñ äëèòåëüíîé ïåðñèñòåíöèåé IgM. È åùå òàì åñòü ðÿä î÷åíü ñïîðíûõ óòâåðæäåíèé.
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Åëåíà Åâãåíüåâíà Êîðíàêîâà, ïàðàçèòîëîã.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 17.07.2012, 00:38
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad íà ôîðóìå
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,291
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,191 ðàç(à) çà 31,541 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Åëåíà Åâãåíüåâíà,

â ïîðÿäêå äèñêóññèè: â äàííîé ïóáëèêàöèè ïèê àíòèòåë êëàññà À áûë íà ñðîêå îò 2-21 íåäåëü è ó êàæäîé âòîðîé áûëè ïîëîæèòåëüíû íà ñðîêå îò 21 äî 52 íåäåëü ïîñëå çàáîëåâàíèÿ:

The times elapsed after infection until the peak was reached also varied greatly from individual to individual: the ranges were 2 to 21 weeks for the dye test, 4 to 36 weeks for Platelia Toxo-IgG, 4 to 30 weeks for Toxo-Screen DA IgG, 2 to 18 weeks for Platelia Toxo-IgM, 1 to 6 weeks for Toxo-ISAGA IgM, and 2 to 21 weeks for Platelia Toxo-IgA... Of the sera collected 21 to 52 weeks after infection, all were positive by the dye test, all except one (which was negative by Platelia Toxo-IgG) were positive by the specific-IgG tests, approximately 80% were positive by the IgM tests, and 45% were positive by the IgA test.

J Clin Microbiol. 1998 Oct;36(10):2907-13.
Development of specific immunoglobulins G, M, and A following primary Toxoplasma gondii infection in pregnant women.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]


íî íåò â íèõ äèàãíîñòè÷åñêîé íóæäû â äàííîé ñèòóàöèè:

Specific-IgA analysis is not an important contributor to a correct diagnosis, since a negative result does not exclude, nor does a positive result confirm, a recent primary T. gondii infection.
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Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 17.07.2012, 07:53
AlexT AlexT âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2003
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AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ó íèõ àâèäíîñòü â íåäàâíèõ ìåòîäàõ Ó íàñ ó æå ëåò 10 êàê â îñíîâíûõ. Çà÷åì îïðåäåëÿòü IgA ó âçðîñëîãî (ÿ íå ãîâîðþ ïðî êîíãåíèòàëüíûé òîêñîïëàçìîç), åñëè àâèäíîñòü îòâåòèò íà âñå âîïðîñû?
È âîò ýòî " Because low avidity antibodies may persist for many months, their presence does not necessarily indicate recently acquired infection." - ìíå ñîâñåì íå íðàâèòñÿ. Êàê ýòî îíè ïåðñèñòèðóþò ìåñÿöàìè? Ïî-ìîåìó, îíè ïåðåïóòàëè ñ äëèòåëüíîé ïåðñèñòåíöèåé IgM. È åùå òàì åñòü ðÿä î÷åíü ñïîðíûõ óòâåðæäåíèé.
ß íå äóìàþ ÷òî îíè ïåðåïóòàëè. Ýòî îäèí èç âåäóùèõ ìèðîâûõ öåíòðîâ ïî òîêñîïëàçìîçó è ðåôåðåíñ-ëàáîðàòîðèÿ, ïîäòâåðæäàþùàÿ ñëó÷àè òîêñîïëàçìîçà è îêàçûâàþùàÿ ïîìîùü â èíòåðïðåòàöèè äàííûõ.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Òàì âîîáùå ìíîãî èíòåðåñíîãî ïî àëãîðèòìàì îáñëåäîâàíèÿ.
Ó íàñ ïðîñòî äîêòîðà ñëèøêîì ïîëàãàþòñÿ íà ëàáîðàòîðíûå äàííûå, áåç ó÷åòà âîçìîæíûõ ïðîáëåì.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 17.07.2012, 11:36
AlexT AlexT âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2003
Ãîðîä: Êðèâîé Ðîã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 861
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 64 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êàê òî íàáëþäàåòñÿ ïåðåîöåíêà çíà÷èìîñòè àâèäíîñòè.
Ñîáñòâåííî òåñò îäîáðåí äëÿ ÈÑÊËÞ×ÅÍÈß ïåðâè÷íîãî òîêñîïëàçìîçà (< 4 ìåñ), à íå äëÿ åãî ÏÎÄÒÂÅÐÆÄÅÍÈß.
Ýòî âñå-òàêè ðàçíûå âåùè.

Âûÿâëåíèå âûñîêîàâèäíûõ àíòèòåë êðàéíå ïîëåçíî ñåé÷àñ äëÿ óñïîêîåíèÿ äîêòîðîâ è áåðåìåííûõ.

Âûÿâëåíèå íèçêîàâèäíûõ âñå-òàêè íàäî òðàêòîâàòü îñòîðîæíî. Ó íàñ íåò ñåé÷àñ ñèñòåìû ëàáîðàòîðíîé äèàãíîñòèêè òîêñîïëàçìîçà â òîì âèäå êàê îíà ôóíêöèîíèðóåò â ìèðå.

À â ýòîì ñëó÷àå èíòåðåñíî, ÷òî ïîõîæå ïåðâàÿ ëàáîðàòîðèÿ, êîòîðîé òàê íå äîâåðÿåò ïàöèåíò, è äàëà ñàìóþ àäåêâàòíóþ êàðòèíó - IgG+, IgM+
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 17.07.2012, 12:01
Àâàòàð äëÿ qwerty
qwerty qwerty âíå ôîðóìà
ÑÏÅÖÈÀËÈÑÒ
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.11.2004
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 23,089
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,815 ðàç(à) çà 6,488 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 15
qwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïîëíîñòüþ ñîãëàñíà, íóæíî ðàññìàòðèâàòü âåñü êîìïëåêñ ëàáîðàòîðíûõ äàííûõ. Íî ÿ âñå ðàâíî íå ïîíèìàþ, êàê ïðè òîêñîïëàçìîçå ñòàðøå íåñêîëüêèõ ìåñÿöåâ ìîãóò ñîõðàíÿòüñÿ íèçêîàâèäíûå IgG.
×òî êàñàåòñÿ IgA îíè ïèøóò " IgA antibodies may persist for many months to more than one year. For this reason they are of little additional assistance for diagnosis of the acute infection in the adult." Òàê êàêîé ñìûñë â èõ îïðåäåëåíèè, åñëè â êîìïëåêñå IgM,IgG+ àâèäíîñòü ìû ïîëó÷àåì âñþ íåîáõîäèìóþ èíôîðìàöèþ? Äðóãîå äåëî, ÷òî ïðè ïîäîçðåíèè íà âðîæäåííûé òîêñîïëàçìîç îíè ìîãóò áûòü äåéñòâèòåëüíî ïîëåçíû, ïîòîìó ÷òî IgM èñ÷åçàþò î÷åíü áûñòðî. Íî è òóò ñîõðàíÿþòñÿ ñîìíåíèÿ, íå ìàòåðèíñêèå ëè ýòî àíòèòåëà.
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Åëåíà Åâãåíüåâíà Êîðíàêîâà, ïàðàçèòîëîã.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 17.07.2012, 12:08
AlexT AlexT âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2003
Ãîðîä: Êðèâîé Ðîã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 861
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 64 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

A low IgG avidity result should not be interpreted as indicating recent infection, because some individuals have persistent low IgG avidity for many months after infection. Suspected recent infection in a pregnant woman should be confirmed prior to intervention by having samples tested at a toxoplasmosis reference laboratory.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 17.07.2012, 19:03
AlexT AlexT âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2003
Ãîðîä: Êðèâîé Ðîã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 861
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 64 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ðåêîìåíäóåìûå PAMF ïîäõîäû ê òîêñîïëàçìîçó ïðè áåðåìåííîñòè:

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 17.07.2012, 22:26
Àâàòàð äëÿ qwerty
qwerty qwerty âíå ôîðóìà
ÑÏÅÖÈÀËÈÑÒ
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.11.2004
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 23,089
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,815 ðàç(à) çà 6,488 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 15
qwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
×òî-òî ó ìåíÿ ýòà ññûëêà íå îòêðûâàåòñÿ. À ïîñìîòðåòü õî÷åòñÿ
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Åëåíà Åâãåíüåâíà Êîðíàêîâà, ïàðàçèòîëîã.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 17.07.2012, 22:34
AlexT AlexT âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2003
Ãîðîä: Êðèâîé Ðîã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 861
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 64 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Òèï ôàéëà: pdf managementoftoxo.pdf (810.4 Êá, 79 ïðîñìîòðîâ)
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AlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAlexT ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
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ÑÏÅÖÈÀËÈÑÒ
      
 
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qwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Òàêæå ïåðåíîøó â ýòó òåìó ïîëåçíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ èç äðóãèõ îáñóæäåíèé.
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò denson Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïðè áåðåìåííîñòè òàêàÿ êàðòèíà (ðåçóëüòàòû áëèçêèå ê ñîìíèòåëüíûì è äàæå ñîìíèòåëüíûå) - ñîâåðøåííî îáû÷íîå ÿâëåíèå. Îá ýòîì íàïèñàíî â êàæäîé èíñòðóêöèè ê äèàãíîñòè÷åñêîìó òåñò íàáîðó. ×åñòíîå ñëîâî. Òàê ÷òî íè÷åãî íå ìåíÿåòñÿ - çàáóäüòå î òîêñîïëàçìîçå.
AlexT:
Öèòàòà:
Ðàçíèöà â àâèäíîñòè 57 è 74 % çà 2 íåäåëè ñìóùàåò..

Íåêîòîðûå ïðîèçâîäèòåëè (Roche,íàïðèìåð) äàþò 25-30 ÌÅ/ìë êàê âåðõíþþ ãðàíèöó ñîìíèòåëüíîãî óðîâíÿ.

Èç ñòàòüè ïðî îïðåäåëåíèå àâèäíîñòè íà Àðõèòåêòå:
Comparative evaluation of the ARCHITECT Toxo IgG, IgM,
and IgG Avidity assays for anti-Toxoplasma antibodies
detection in pregnant women sera
3.2. Toxo IgG Avidity assay
The ARCHITECT Toxo IgG Avidity assay has been performed on the 275 sera with positive results by ARCHITECT IgG (≥3.0 IU/mL), 86 of those were from
recent infections (b4 months), the remaining 189 were from patients with past infection (N4 months) (Table 6).
According to the package insert, ARCHITECT Toxo IgG Avidity assay may also be used for samples with low IgG titers and even gray zone results. In total, 22 such samples were tested.
Of 8 past infections without IgM, 6 had a high avidity result, 1 exhibited a low avidity, and 1 specimen had a gray zone avidity result. Eight of 9 recent infection specimens (b4 months) had a low avidity result; only 1 specimen showed an avidity result within the gray zone, although it was the first serum of a seroconversion case (see case 20, Table 5).
The last group (n = 5) consisted of sera for which IgG was not confirmed by other assays. The avidity index was low (n = 3) or in the gray zone (n = 1), but 1 sample showed a high
avidity index despite being the first bleed of a seroconversion case 6 (Table 5).

Îïðåäåëÿòü ïðè íèçêèõ òèòðàõ IgG äîïóñêàåòñÿ, à ðåçóëüòàòû èíîãäà íåîäíîçíà÷íûå.
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Ïîìîãèòå ïîæàëóéñòà ñîâåòîì,áåðåìåííîñòü 20 íåäåëü,íàøëè îñòðûé òîêñîïëàçìîç,íà÷àëà ëå÷åíèå ðîâàìèöèòèíîì 2 ðàçà â äåíü êóðñ 10 äíåé,ïüþ 4 äíÿ óæå,äî áåðåìåííîñòè òàêèå àíàëèçû íå ñäàâàëà è î òàêîé çàðàçå è íå çíàëà,ïîêà íà óçè íå óâèäåëè êàêèå òî îòêëîíåíèÿ ñî ñòîðîíû ïëàöåíòû,ñ ðåáåíêîì íà 19é íåäåëå ïî óçè âñå â ïîðÿäêå.Ñêàæèòå íà âàøåé ïðàêòèêå áûëè ïîëîæèòåëüíûå ñëó÷àè ðîæäåíèÿ äåòåé åñëè ìàòü ïåðåáîëåëà îñòðûì òîêñîïëàçìîçîì èëè ïîðîêîâ íå èçáåæàòü,ìîæåò ïîêà íå ïîçäíî ñäåëàòü ïðåðûâàíèå áåð ò.ê. íå èçáåæàòü ïîðîêîâ ðàçâòèÿ ðåáåíêà,ÿ â ðàññòåðÿííîñòè óæå ñèë íåò òîëüêî îá ýòîì è äóìàþ.Ïðèêðåïëþ ðåçóëüòàòû àíàëèçîâ,ìîæåò ÷òî òî ïî ëå÷åíèþ ïîäñêàæèòå.?Íàæìèòå íà èçîáðàæåíèå äëÿ óâåëè÷åíèÿ
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ÑÏÅÖÈÀËÈÑÒ
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 23,089
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,815 ðàç(à) çà 6,488 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 15
qwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
 ðåçóëüòàòàõ àíàëèçîâ åñòü ïðîòèâîðå÷èÿ - IgM âî âòîðîì âûëîæåííîì àíàëèçå íå ñëèøêîì íèçêèé, îäíàêî àâèäíîñòü IgG â ïåðâîì àíàëèçå âûñîêàÿ, õàðàêòåðíàÿ äëÿ ñòàðîãî òîêñîïëàçìîçà, íå îïàñíîãî äëÿ ïëîäà. Ïåðåäåëàéòå àíàëèç íà âåñü êîìïëåêñ (IgM, IgG, àâèäíîñòüIgG) â äðóãîé ëàáîðàòîðèè.  êàêîé äîçå è äëèòåëüíîñòè íàçíà÷åí ðîâàìèöèí? Ïðèåì ïðåïàðàòà ïîêà ïðîäîëæàéòå - íà ðåçóëüòàòàõ àíàëèçîâ ýòî íå ñêàæåòñÿ.
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