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Ñòàðûé 08.07.2010, 21:50
Rodionov Rodionov âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
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Rodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íå-íå, ïðè ãèïåðàëüäîñòåðîíèçìå òàêèõ âåùåé íå áûâàåò. Òàì äàæå íå ÷òîáû ñóäîðîãè, à ïàðåñòåçèÿ è ìûøå÷íàÿ ñëàáîñòü. Ïðè÷åì âñ¸ ýòî íà ôîíå òÿæåëîé ãèïîêàëèåìèè.

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Ñòàðûé 08.07.2010, 23:30
Dr. W.N. Dr. W.N. âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Dr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ß ïîêà íà ñóòêàõ íå èìåþ âîçìîæíîñòè ïîñìîòðåòü âèäåî, íî íà âñÿêèé ñëó÷àé 1) ýïèëåïòè÷åñêèå è íåýïèëåïòè÷åñêèå ïðèñòóïû áûâàþò ïî÷òè íåðàçëè÷èìû âíåøíå, 2) ìîãóò ñî÷åòàòüñÿ ó îäíîãî è òîãî æå ïàöèåíòà.

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  #33  
Ñòàðûé 09.07.2010, 00:43
Àâàòàð äëÿ DrDolgova
DrDolgova DrDolgova âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
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DrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êàëèé ó íåå âñåãäà íèçêîâàò, 3,3-3,5. Àðòåðèàëüíîå äàâëåíèå è ×ÑÑ âî âðåìÿ ïðèñòóïà âñåãäà âîçðàñòàþò ïðîïîðöèîíàëüíî åãî èíòåíñèâíîñòè. Äàæå ïåðâûå ïðèñòóïû, êîòîðûå ñîïðîâîæäàëèñü òîëüêî ëèøü ïîòåðåé ñîçíàíèÿ, áûëè ñ ãèïåðòåíçèåé è òàõèêàðäèåé (ïåðâîíà÷àëüíîé âåðñèåé î ïðè÷èíå áûëà äàæå êàðäèîëîãè÷åñêàÿ, íî áûñòðî îòïàëà).
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Ñòàðûé 09.07.2010, 08:42
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elena__K ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåelena__K ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåelena__K ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåelena__K ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåelena__K ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåelena__K ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåelena__K ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ñòàðûé 09.07.2010, 08:50
Àâàòàð äëÿ DrDolgova
DrDolgova DrDolgova âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.02.2010
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DrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äà, êîìïåíñèðóåòñÿ, ïîêà êàïàåì, ïîæèçíåííî íå áóäåøü æå åãî êàïàòü... Âåðîøïèðîí 200 ìã â ñóòêè óæå 2 ãîäà êàæåòñÿ.
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  #36  
Ñòàðûé 09.07.2010, 09:05
Rodionov Rodionov âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.02.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,764
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 804 ðàç(à) çà 733 ñîîáùåíèé
Rodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êàêèì îáðàçîì äîêàçàíî íàëè÷èå ãèïåðàëüäîñòåðîíèçìà? Àëüäîñòåðîí/ðåíèí? Ýòî ïåðâè÷íûé ÃÀ èëè âòîðè÷íûé? Êàê ñôîðìóëèðîâàí ýíäîêðèíîëîãè÷åñêîé äèàãíîç?
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Ñòàðûé 09.07.2010, 09:10
Àâàòàð äëÿ DrDolgova
DrDolgova DrDolgova âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.02.2010
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 231
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DrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Èçâèíèòå, äîêòîð Rodionov, íå ïîìíþ òî÷íî, ïîñìîòðþ êîãäà íà ðàáîòå áóäó.
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Ñòàðûé 09.07.2010, 19:30
Vlad34 Vlad34 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Vlad34 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVlad34 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVlad34 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVlad34 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVlad34 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVlad34 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVlad34 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVlad34 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVlad34 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVlad34 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVlad34 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìàÿ Åëåíà, íó íåò äàííûõ, ñâÿçûâàþùèõ ãèïåðàëüäîñòåðîíèçì è ñóäîðîãè. Êðîìå óêàçàíèé â ýíöèêëîïåäèè, ÷òî "ìîæåò áûòü". Âîçíèêíîâåíèå ñóäîðîã, ïî ëèòåðàòóðíûì äàííûì, âîçìîæíî äâóìÿ ïóòÿìè. Ãèïåðòîíè÷åñêàÿ ýíöåôàëîïàòèÿ, ñî âñåìè ñîïóòñòâóþùèìè ïðîÿâëåíèÿìè.  òîì ÷èñëå è âèçóàëèçèðóåìûìè î÷àãàìè ïîâðåæäåíèÿ ãîëîâíîãî ìîçãà. Êàê íàïðèìåð òóò: [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] (Ôóëëòåêñò èíòåðåñóþùèìñÿ â ëè÷êó). È êàê ñëåäñòâèå ðàññòðîéñòâà ýëåêòðîëèòíîãî îáìåíà è êèñëîòíî-îñíîâíîãî ñîñòîÿíèÿ, ìåòàáîëè÷åñêîãî ãèïîêàëèåìè÷åñêîãî àëêàëîçà. Íî ðå÷ü èäåò î òÿæåëûõ ôîðìàõ íàðóøåíèé, êîòîðûì îáÿçàòåëüíî ñîïóòñòâóåò äðóãàÿ ñèìïòîìàòèêà, êðîìå íåâðîëîãè÷åñêîé. Ãîâîðÿ î òÿæåñòè, âî âñåõ ñëó÷àÿõ ãèïîêàëèåìèè ðå÷ü èäåò î öèôðàõ çíà÷èòåëüíî íèæå 3 ìÌîëü/ë. Íåò óïîìèíàíèé î ñóäîðîãàõ â îïèñàíèè ãèïåðàëüäîñòåðîíèçìà ñàìîãî ïî ñåáå íàïðèìåð òóò [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]. UpToDate ìîë÷èò, êàê ïàðòèçàí. Ìåäñêåéï íà çàïðîñ "Hyperaldosteronism seizures" âûäàë öåëûõ 19 ññûëîê. Âåçäå âòîðè÷íî, ïî ìåõàíèçìó óêàçàííîìó âûøå. Àëêàëîç. Òÿæåëûé. PubMed - 6 ññûëîê. Ìèìî. Áîëüøîé òàëìóä Felig, Philip; Frohman, Lawrence A. Endocrinology & Metabolism, 4th Edition - òèøèíà. Áóäó âåñüìà ïðèçíàòåëåí, åñëè Âû ïðåäîñòàâèòå ññûëêó õîòÿ áû íà êåéñ, ãäå îïèñûâàëèñü áû ñóäîðîãè êàê ïðîÿâëåíèå ãèïåðàëüäîñòåðîíèçìà. Ïîõîæèõ íà îáñóæäàåìûé ñëó÷àé. Ñïàñèáî.

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Dr.Vad Dr.Vad íà ôîðóìå
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
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Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
È ñêîðåå âñåãî, âî âòîðîì ñëó÷àå îñíîâíóþ ðîëü â ñóäîðîæíîì ñèíäðîìå ìîæåò èãðàòü íå ãèïîêàëåìèÿ, à èìåííî ìåòàáîëè÷åñêèé àëêàëîç, êàê ïîêàçàëè ýêñïåðèìåíòàëüíûå äàííûå:

Nat Med. 2006 Jul;12(7):817-23.
Experimental febrile seizures are precipitated by a hyperthermia-induced respiratory alkalosis.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

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Dr. W.N. Dr. W.N. âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Dr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïîñìîòðåë âèäåî. Æèâîò âèäíî, êîíå÷íî, íî íåâðîëîãó èíòåðåñíåå äðóãèå ÷àñòè òåëà. Òàê ÷òî íè÷åãî íå äîêàçàíî è ñðàçó îñòàíàâëèâàòüñÿ íà ïñè-âåðñèè ÿ áû íå ñòàë.
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Àâàòàð äëÿ Aminazinka
Aminazinka Aminazinka âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîë÷àëèâîå ïðèâèäåíèå
      
 
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Aminazinka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAminazinka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAminazinka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAminazinka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAminazinka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAminazinka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAminazinka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAminazinka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAminazinka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAminazinka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAminazinka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Òàê ìîæíî íå ñðàçó. Çàïèñûâàòü ÝÝà ïðè ñîãëàñèè ïàöèåíòêè ìîæåò êàæäûé æåëàþùèé. Îñòàëîñü íàéòè æåëàþùåãî, êîòîðûé áû åùå ýòî óìåë. Áóäåò ÷åì çàíÿòü ïàöèåíòêó, ïîêà èùåòñÿ ïñèõèàòð.
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Ñòàðûé 09.07.2010, 21:16
Dr. W.N. Dr. W.N. âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Dr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. W.N. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Åùå ðàç, ÿ íå îòðèöàþ, ÷òî ó ïàöèåíòêè åñòü íåýïèëåïòè÷åñêèå ïðèñòóïû. Íî "íàøå" ïîêà íå èñêëþ÷åíî, íàäî äîðàáîòàòü.
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DrDolgova DrDolgova âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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DrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ê âîïðîñó àëüäîñòåðîíà: íåò ó íåå àëêàëîçà, àöèäîçû ó íåå; ïåðâûå ðàçû -5 - -6 ìû, êàæåòñÿ, ïîéìàëè ïðîñòî ïîñëå ïðèñòóïà; ïîòîì ýòè öèôðû ñòîéêî äåðæàëèñü íà ôîíå äà÷è äèàêàðáà (ïî ïîâîäó âûÿâëåííîãî ïîâûøåííîãî ëèêâîðíîãî äàâëåíèÿ), ñ÷èòàåì, ÷òî ýòî îò íåãî. Ïðè÷åì êîððåêöèè íå ïîääàåòñÿ. Òî åñòü êàïàåøü 200 4% ãèäðîêàðáîíàòà è ÷åðåç 6 ÷àñîâ ïîëó÷àåøü òó æå öèôðó. Äèàêàðá óæå íå äàåì. Ïîñëåäíèå äíè âðîäå îêîëî -2, íî àëêàëîçà íå áûëî íèêîãäà.
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Ñòàðûé 09.07.2010, 23:25
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 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
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FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ìîæåò áûòü èíòåðåñíî:

Non-epileptic Seizures
Synonyms: the use of the terms hysterical seizures or pseudoseizures is now considered to be inappropriate.

Non-epileptic seizures (NES) is a descriptive term for a diverse group of disorders which refers to paroxysmal events that can be mistaken for epilepsy, but are not due to an epileptic disorder. There are two sub-categories of NES:.

•Physiological: includes a broad spectrum of disorders, e.g. syncope, paroxysms of acute neurological insults, paroxysmal toxic phenomena, non-toxic organic hallucinosis, non-epileptic myoclonus, sleep disorders, paroxysmal movement disorders, paroxysmal endocrine disturbances and transient ischaemic attacks (TIAs).
•Psychogenic seizures include different types:1
◦Dissociative seizures are involuntary and happen unconsciously. This is the most common type of NES and the person has no control over the seizures.
◦Associated with psychiatric conditions that cause seizures, e.g. panic attacks.
◦Factitious seizures: seizures are consciously or deliberately ‘put on’, e.g. Münchhausen's syndrome.
.Epidemiology
•The true prevalence is unknown.
•Up to one fifth of patients who present to specialist clinics with seizures do not have epilepsy. The majority of such patients suffer from psychologically mediated episodes (dissociative seizures).
•Up to one in five patients with apparently intractable epilepsy referred to specialist centres is found to have no organic cause for their seizures.2
•Adult studies have shown a 4:1 female:male ratio for psychogenic non-epileptic seizures.
•One study found that the psychological factors relevant to the development and maintenance of NES included anxiety or stress, physical abuse, significant bereavement, family dysfunctioning, relationship problems, depression and sexual abuse.3
.Presentation
•It can be difficult to differentiate NES from epilepsy, especially as the two disorders co-exist in up to 30% of patients.
•Epileptic and non-epileptic seizures can look the same and have the same features:1
◦Can happen suddenly and without warning
◦Can include a loss of awareness or the person becomes unresponsive, makes strange or repeated movements, or convulses
◦Can both cause injury and urinary incontinence
◦Can both happen when awake and during sleep
•It is essential to make a thorough assessment and ensure no further harm is caused by inappropriate diagnosis and treatment.
•Features suggesting NES include: duration over two minutes, gradual onset, fluctuating course, violent thrashing movements, side to side head movement, asynchronous movements, eyes closed and recall for period of unresponsiveness.
•Features suggesting epilepsy include automatisms, incontinence and biting the tongue.
.Differential diagnosis of epilepsy2
•Medical causes of transient neurological dysfunction (with or without loss of consciousness)
◦Syncope: vasovagal, cardiogenic
◦Neurological: cerebrovascular, migraine, vertigo, cataplexy, parasomnias, movement disorders, startle-induced phenomena
◦Endocrine and metabolic: hypoglycaemia, hypocalcaemia, hereditary fructose intolerance
◦Drugs and alcohol
•Psychiatric disorders
•Psychiatric disorders that may be mistaken for epilepsy: panic disorder, psychosis, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, depersonalisation disorder
•Dissociative seizures
•Factitious disorder
.Investigations
•Investigations will depend on the specific presentation of each patient. Investigations include:
◦A full assessment for the presence of any underlying physical cause for epilepsy, e.g. EEG, MRI brain scan.
◦Investigations for physical causes of non-epileptic seizures, e.g. fasting glucose, electrolytes, ECG, echocardiogram.
◦A full psychiatric assessment.
•Serum prolactin rises in over 90% of patients after a tonic-clonic seizure and 60% of patients after a complex partial seizure. However an increased post-ictal prolactin is non-specific.
.Associated diseases
•A significant number of patients (estimated at up to 30%) having mixed epileptic and non-epileptic seizure disorders.
.Management
•Management is directed at treatment of the underlying cause.
•Various treatments have been tried with variable success for psychogenic NES. Treatment regimes for NES include non-psychological, e.g. anti-anxiety and antidepressant medication and psychological therapies (including cognitive behavioural therapy, hypnotherapy and paradoxical injunction therapy). With paradoxical injunction therapy, the therapist imposes a directive that places the client in a therapeutic double bind that promotes change regardless of the client's compliance with the directive.
•There is currently no reliable evidence to support the use of any treatment, including hypnosis or paradoxical injunction therapy, in the treatment of NES.4
.Prognosis2
•A recent review found that, after a mean follow-up of three years, about two thirds of patients continued to have dissociative seizures and more than half remained dependent on social security.
•Receiving psychiatric treatment has been associated with a positive outcome in some studies, but not in others.
•A poor prognosis is predicted by a long delay in diagnosis and the presence of psychiatric comorbidity, including personality disorder.

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DrDolgova DrDolgova âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
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DrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrDolgova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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