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Ñòàðûé 16.09.2009, 20:03
Àâàòàð äëÿ ainakoz
ainakoz ainakoz âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Ðîññèÿ, ×åëÿáèíñê
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ainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ëóöåíòèñ - ñêàæåì "íåò" ÂÌÄ :ay:

×òî-òî íà ôîðóìå âðà÷åé îôòàëüìîëîãîâ ñêó÷íîâàòî... Íèêàêîé àêòèâíîñòè, ïîïðîáóþ ðàçáóäèòü êîëëåã .

Êòî-íèáóäü çàíèìàåòñÿ èíòðàâèòðåàëüíûì ââåäåíèåì anti-VEGF ïðåïàðàòîâ? Ìû âîò çàíÿëèñü. Ðåøèëè îïðîáîâàòü EBM - äîêàçàííûé ïðåïàðàò "ëóöåíòèñ" (MARINA, ANCHOR).
Ñåé÷àñ àêòèâíî ïðîïàãàíäèðóåì ââåäåíèå ïðåïàðàòà. Íà÷àëè ââîäèòü ïðè ñêðûòîé è êëàññè÷åñêîé ñóáôîâåîëÿðíîé íåîâàñêóëÿðèçàöèè ïðè ÂÌÄ/ ìèîïè÷åñêîé ìàêóëîäèñòðîôèè (8/2=10 ÷åë), ïðè òÿæ¸ëîì òå÷åíèè ÄÐÏ ñ íåîâàñêóëÿðèçàöèåé â ïåðåäíåì è çàäíåì îòðåçêå, íî åù¸ áåç òðàêöèîííûõ èçìåíåíèé (1 ÷åë), ïåðåíåñ¸ííîì íåàêòèâíîì õîðåîðåòèíèòå, îñëîæí¸ííîì õîðåîèäàëüíîé íåîâàñêóëÿðèçàöèåé þêñòàôîâåîëÿðíî (1 ÷åë).

Âñåì ïðîâîäèëàñü ÔÀÃ äî ââåäåíèÿ, ñòàðàåìñÿ äåëàòü ïîñëå. ïðàâäà åñòü ïåðåáîè ñ ïîñòàâêîé ôëþîðåñöåíèíà. Åñòü äàííûå OCT äî è ïîñëå ââåäåíèÿ (ó íåêîòîðûõ).

Ââåäåíèÿ è ïðîïàãàíäà áóäóò ïðîäîëæàòüñÿ äàëüøå. Õîòåëîñü áû ïîëó÷èòü ðåêîìåäàöèè ïî äàëüíåéøåìó âåäåíèþ ðàáîòû, ÷òîáû ìîæíî áûëî èçâëå÷ü ÷åãî-íèáóäü èç íå¸ ïîëåçíîå, à åù¸ ëó÷øå è äîêàçàòåëüíîå. ïîìîãèòå íàïðàâèòü â íóæíîå ðóñëî...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 17.09.2009, 13:28
BASS BASS âíå ôîðóìà
Âðà÷-âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.08.2006
Ãîðîä: ÖÔÎ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,364
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 8
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 823 ðàç(à) çà 772 ñîîáùåíèé
BASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïîòðåáíîñòü â èíãèáèòîðàõ àíãèîãåíåçà ñóùåñòâåííà. Ïîêà ìû íå çàíèìàåìñÿ ýòèì, íî ïðèñìàòðèâàåìñÿ. Ïðåïàðàò î÷åíü äîðîãîé è ñîîòâåòñòâåííî öåíà âîïðîñà. Êàê ó Âàñ ðåøàåòñÿ âîïðîñ îïëàòû. Êòî ïëàòèò?
Âñòðå÷àëèñü ëè êàêèå ëèáî ïîáî÷íûå ýôôåêòû? Êîëëåãè êîòîðûå çàíèìàþòñÿ ýòèì ñåòîâàëè, ÷òî ïðè èñïîëüçîâàíèè àâàñòèíà ïðîáëåì ñ ýíäîôòàëüìèòàìè íå áûëî. Ïðè èñïîëüçîâàíèè ëþöåíòèñà èç 25 èíúåêöèé 4 ýíäîôòàëüìèòà ïðè ââåäåíèè â óñëîâèÿõ îïåðàöèîííîé, âñå çàêàí÷èâàëîñü âèòðýêòîìèÿìè.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Dr-vasiliY îäîáðèë(à): Îäíàêî áîãàòûå ëþäè â ×åëÿáèíñêå. Àâàñòèí â ýòîì îòíîøåíèè áîëåå ïðåäïî÷òèòåëüíî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 17.09.2009, 14:49
Dr-vasiliY Dr-vasiliY âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 06.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Îðåë
Ñîîáùåíèé: 618
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 14
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 135 ðàç(à) çà 131 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êàæäûé ìåñÿö ââîäèòå?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 17.09.2009, 19:09
Àâàòàð äëÿ ainakoz
ainakoz ainakoz âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 23.12.2008
Ãîðîä: Ðîññèÿ, ×åëÿáèíñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,442
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 24
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 462 ðàç(à) çà 440 ñîîáùåíèé
ainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïî àâàñòèíó èññëåäîâàíèé íå áûëî, õîòÿ øïàðèëè åãî ìíîãèå. Ïî ëóöåíòèñó åñòü ðàíäîìèçèðîâàííûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ. Ëóöåíòèñ ó íàñ áîëüíûå ïîêóïàþò ñàìè. 1 ôëàêîí (52000ð) äåëèì íà òðîèõ, ïî 0.1 ýíäîâèòðåàëüíî. Òüôó òüôó, ýíäîôòàëüìèòîâ ïîêà íåò. Ââîäèì â îïåðàöèîííîé. Ïîêà äåëàëè ïî 1 èíüåêöèè. (ìàëî âðåìåíè åù¸ ïðîøëî). Äâîèì ñäåëàëè ïîâòîðíî (ïðèìåðíî ÷åðåç 1.5 ìåñ). Ñåãîäíÿ ïðèø¸ë ìóæ÷èíà, ÂÌÄ, ñêðûòàÿ ÕÍ íà OU.  2007 äåëàëè åìó ÒÒÒ (!), ïîòîì ïàðàâàçàëüíóþ ËÊ (?!), ïîòîì â ïðîøëîì ãîäó òðèæäû àâàñòèí, â îäèí ãëàç, äâàæäû â äðóãîé. Òåïåðü ïðèø¸ë íà ëóöåíòèñ. Ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ îò¸ê, äèôôóçíûé íà îáîèõ ãëàçàõ. Íà îäíîì çðåíèå 0.03 í/ê (ñ÷èòàåì åãî áåñïåðñïåêòèâíûì), íà âòîðîì 0.1 ñ êîððåêöèåé (áóäåì ââîäèòü ëóöåíòèñ). (Åñòü. êîíå÷íî ÔÀÃè è OCT) Íà ÔÀÃàõ êàê òåêëî òàê è òå÷¸ò, íà OCT ñóáðåòèíàëüíûé ôèáðîç â ìåñòàõ áûâøèõ ÕÍ è ïîëîñòÿõ íàä íåé.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 17.09.2009, 20:23
Dr-vasiliY Dr-vasiliY âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 06.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Îðåë
Ñîîáùåíèé: 618
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 14
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 135 ðàç(à) çà 131 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Àâàñòèí è Ëþöåíòèñ ïðîèçâîäèò îäíà êîìïàíèÿ!
Åñëè ëå÷åíèå Ëþöåíòèñîì â ÑØÀ è Åâðîïå ñ÷èòàþò äîðîãèì, òî, ÷òî ãîâîðèòü î ÐÔ.
Ïîñìîòðèì íà äàëüíåéøóþ ñóäüáó Ëþöåíòèñà.

Î÷åíü çàíèìàòåëüíàÿ ñòàòüÿ: [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 17.09.2009, 21:52
Darina38 Darina38 âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 27.11.2007
Ãîðîä: Tashkent
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,486
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,017 ðàç(à) çà 984 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 1
Darina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDarina38 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ó íàñ òîæå äîñòóïåí (î÷åíü äàæå äîñòóïåí â ýêîíîìè÷åñêîì ïëàíå) òîëüêî àâàñòèí. Îñëîæíåíèé ïîêà ò.ò.ò íå áûëî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 11.12.2009, 20:49
lanchin lanchin âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Ñåðôåð
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.12.2009
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1
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Äîáðûé äåíü!

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò ainakoz Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïî àâàñòèíó èññëåäîâàíèé íå áûëî, õîòÿ øïàðèëè åãî ìíîãèå. Ïî ëóöåíòèñó åñòü ðàíäîìèçèðîâàííûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ. Ëóöåíòèñ ó íàñ áîëüíûå ïîêóïàþò ñàìè. 1 ôëàêîí (52000ð) äåëèì íà òðîèõ, ïî 0.1 ýíäîâèòðåàëüíî. Òüôó òüôó, ýíäîôòàëüìèòîâ ïîêà íåò. Ââîäèì â îïåðàöèîííîé. Ïîêà äåëàëè ïî 1 èíüåêöèè. (ìàëî âðåìåíè åù¸ ïðîøëî)...
Åñëè âû äåëèòå îäíó àìïóëó íà òðîèõ, òî êàê áûòü ñ èãëîé?

Çàðàíåå ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 12.12.2009, 10:16
Àâàòàð äëÿ ainakoz
ainakoz ainakoz âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 23.12.2008
Ãîðîä: Ðîññèÿ, ×åëÿáèíñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,442
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 24
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 462 ðàç(à) çà 440 ñîîáùåíèé
ainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò lanchin Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Äîáðûé äåíü!



Åñëè âû äåëèòå îäíó àìïóëó íà òðîèõ, òî êàê áûòü ñ èãëîé?

Çàðàíåå ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò!
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Ìåíÿåì êîíå÷íî æå!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 12.12.2009, 13:35
Dr-vasiliY Dr-vasiliY âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 06.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Îðåë
Ñîîáùåíèé: 618
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 14
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 135 ðàç(à) çà 131 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr-vasiliY ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ðàññìàòðèâàëè ãëàçíîé èøåìè÷åñêèé ñèíäðîì?

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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 17.09.2009, 20:14
Rameyka Rameyka âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 09.12.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,431
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 30
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 545 ðàç(à) çà 535 ñîîáùåíèé
Rameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
íà÷àëè ëóöåíòèñ ïðè äðï, ìñ îòåêå - 12 ÷åëîâåê - ïîêà âïå÷àòëåíèå õîðîøåå, íåñìîòðÿ íà ìîé îáû÷íûé ñêåïòèöèçì.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 18.09.2009, 13:08
Àâàòàð äëÿ ainakoz
ainakoz ainakoz âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 23.12.2008
Ãîðîä: Ðîññèÿ, ×åëÿáèíñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,442
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 24
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 462 ðàç(à) çà 440 ñîîáùåíèé
ainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ìíå òîæå êàæåòñÿ ÷òî ïîìð¸ò îí, ëóöåíòèñ, ëèáî ïîäåøåâååò, íî ïîêà ñåé÷àñ âñ¸ òàê êàê îíî åñòü.  ïîíåäåëüíèê åù¸ òðîèì ââîäèì.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #12  
Ñòàðûé 14.10.2009, 17:21
max_at max_at âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Ñåðôåð
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.10.2009
Ãîðîä: Âåíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2
max_at *
ß ñåé÷àñ çàêàí÷èâàþ Âåíñêèé ìåäèöèíñêèé óíèâåðñèòåò è ïèøó äèïëîì ïî ëþöåíòèñó ïðè ìèîïè÷åñêîé ìàêóëîäèñòðîôèè.

Ìîæåò êîìó-íèáóäü áóäåò èíòåðåñíî. 17 ãëàç 15 ïàöèåíòîâ, íåðàíäîìèçèðîâàííîå ðåòðîñïåêòèðîâàííîå èññëåäîâàíèå. Êðèòåðèè - âèçóñ è ÎÑÒ.  ñðåäíåì ÷åðåç ãîä ïîñëå íà÷àëà ëå÷åíèÿ - çíà÷èòåëüíîå (p=0,0012) óëó÷øåíèå çðåíèÿ. Òîëüêî ó 1ãî ïàöèåíòà èç 15 íåñìîòðÿ íà ëå÷åíèå - ïðîãðåññèðóþùåå óõóäøåíèå, ó 4õ ñòàáèëèçàöèÿ è ó îñòàëüíûõ 10 - çíà÷èòåëüíûå óëó÷øåíèÿ çðåíèÿ.


PS. Ïîñîâåòóéòå ïîæàëóéñòà ïðîôèëüíûå ðîññèéñêèå æóðíàëû, ãäå ìîæíî áûëî áû îïóáëèêîâàòü èññëåäîâàíèå öåëèêîì?

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
opto_dive îäîáðèë(à): ïðèñîåäèíåíèå ê ÐÌÑ..
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #13  
Ñòàðûé 14.10.2009, 20:22
Àâàòàð äëÿ ainakoz
ainakoz ainakoz âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 23.12.2008
Ãîðîä: Ðîññèÿ, ×åëÿáèíñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,442
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 24
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 462 ðàç(à) çà 440 ñîîáùåíèé
ainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåainakoz ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íó, âî ïåðâûõ:
Öèòàòà:
Position Paper: The Need for Head-to-Head Studies Comparing Avastin versus Lucentis.
Schmucker C, Antes G, Lelgemann M.

German Cochrane Center, University Medical Center Freiburg, Germany.
Òðåáóþòñÿ èññëåäîâàíèÿ ñðàâíèâàþùèå àâàñòèí ñ ëóöåíòèñîì. Ïî íàøèì âïå÷àòëåíèÿì, íè÷åì ïîêà íå ïîäòâåðæä¸ííûì, ðàçíèöû â ýôôåêòå íåò. Ðàçíèöà â öåíå. Ìîæåò ó êîãî äðóãîå ìíåíèå?

Öèòàòà:
Bevacizumab vs Ranibizumab for Age-related Macular Degeneration: Early Results of a Prospective Double-Masked, Randomized Clinical Trial.
Subramanian ML, Ness S, Abedi G, Ahmed E, Daly M, Feinberg E, Bhatia S, Patel P, Nguyen M, Houranieh A.

Veterans Affairs Boston Healthcare System, Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts; Department of Ophthalmology, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston, Massachusetts.

CONCLUSION: Early results of a head-to-head, randomized, double-masked, prospective, single-center controlled trial between bevacizumab and ranibizumab show no difference in efficacy between the two treatments for choroidal neovascularizaton in the treatment of age-related macular degeneration. As this study conveys results of a small number of patients, further studies with larger sample sizes are needed in order to establish statistical significance.
Âî-âòîðûõ:
Öèòàòà:
Anti-VEGF drugs as the 2009 first-line therapy for choroidal neovascularization in pathologic myopia.
Cohen SY.

Centre Ophtalmologique d'Imagerie et de Laser, Paris, France. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

BACKGROUND: Pathologic myopia is the second cause of choroidal neovascularization, after age-related macular degeneration (AMD), and the first cause in patients younger than 50 years. The current treatment of subfoveal myopic choroidal neovascularization (mCNV) is verteporfin photodynamic therapy, but its long-term effectiveness has been disappointing. Antivascular endothelial growth factor (anti-VEGF) drugs are now widely used not only to treat choroidal neovascularization in AMD but also for choroidal neovascularization in other conditions. This review summarizes the data supplied by published case series studies about anti-VEGF therapy in mCNV. METHODS: Analysis of the current literature allowed discussion of the optimal parameters for mCNV treatment by anti-VEGF, including the choice of anti-VEGF drug, its dose, the treatment protocol, and indications for retreatment. RESULTS: To date, the results of intravitreal bevacizumab or ranibizumab for mCNV have been reported in at least 14 studies, but they were all pilot, monocentric, and noncomparative case series. Nevertheless, they provided useful information on >250 patients and showed similar results, with significant improvement of visual acuity and an excellent safety profile. CONCLUSION: Shifting from one treatment to another is always difficult in the absence of prospective and controlled comparative studies. However, in 2009, intravitreal ranibizumab or bevacizumab may be considered as first-line therapy for sub- and juxtafoveal mCNV for three reasons: the safety of anti-VEGF drugs and intravitreal injection procedures; the disappointing long-term results of other therapies, including verteporfin treatment; and the excellent convergent results of anti-VEGF therapy in all pilot studies.
Ðå÷ü èä¸ò î øèêàðíûõ ðåçóëüòàòàõ âî âñåõ ïèëîòíûõ èññëåäîâàíèÿõ ïî ïðèìåíåíèþ èíãèáèòîðîâ àíãèîãåíåçà â ëå÷åíèè ìèîïè÷åñêîé ÕÍÂ.

Ìî¸ æå ìíåíèå íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü: åñëè åñòü ñóáôîâåîëÿðíàÿ ÕÍÂ, òî ïðîãíîç äëÿ öåíòðàëüíîãî çðåíèÿ íå î÷åíü áëàãîïðèÿòíûé.  ìåñòå áûâøåé ÕÍ ïîñëå àíòè-VEGF (ðàâíî êàê è ÔÄÒ) ñóáðåòèíàëüíûé ôèáðîç, ìåøàþùèé òàê íåîáõîäèìîìó õîðåîèäàëüíîìó ïèòàíèþ ôîòîðåöåïòîðîâ ôîâåîëû. Ýêñòðàôîâåîëÿðíûå æå ìåìáðàíû ìîæíî ïîãðåòü ëàçåðîì. È åù¸. Çàìåòèë, ÷òî ïîñëå ââåäåíèÿ àíòè-VEGF ÷àñòî ñêðûòàÿ ÕÍ ñòàíîâèòñÿ âèäèìîé!
Ïåðñïåêòèâíûì íàïðàâëåíèåì â ýòîì ïëàíå ìîæåò áûòü õèðóðãè÷åñêîå óäàëåíèå ñóáðåòèíàëüíûõ ìåìáðàí. (âèòðåîðåòèíàëüíàÿ õèðóðãèÿ) Àíòè-Âè-È-Äæè-Ýô ïðèãîäÿòñÿ â ëå÷åíèè ïðîëèôåðàòèâíîé ÄÐÏ, ïîñòòðîìáîòè÷åñêîé ðåòèíîïàòèèè, è äðóãèõ ïîäîáíûõ ñîñòîÿíèé.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #14  
Ñòàðûé 14.10.2009, 20:33
AJlaPu AJlaPu âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.09.2009
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 105
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 17
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 14 ðàç(à) çà 14 ñîîáùåíèé
AJlaPu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò ainakoz Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ýêñòðàôîâåîëÿðíûå æå ìåìáðàíû ìîæíî ïîãðåòü ëàçåðîì
Èìååòå ââèäó ÒÒÒ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #15  
Ñòàðûé 14.10.2009, 22:19
BASS BASS âíå ôîðóìà
Âðà÷-âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.08.2006
Ãîðîä: ÖÔÎ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,364
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 8
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 823 ðàç(à) çà 772 ñîîáùåíèé
BASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBASS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò ainakoz Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ìî¸ æå ìíåíèå íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü: åñëè åñòü ñóáôîâåîëÿðíàÿ ÕÍÂ, òî ïðîãíîç äëÿ öåíòðàëüíîãî çðåíèÿ íå î÷åíü áëàãîïðèÿòíûé.  ìåñòå áûâøåé ÕÍ ïîñëå àíòè-VEGF (ðàâíî êàê è ÔÄÒ) ñóáðåòèíàëüíûé ôèáðîç, ìåøàþùèé òàê íåîáõîäèìîìó õîðåîèäàëüíîìó ïèòàíèþ ôîòîðåöåïòîðîâ ôîâåîëû. Ýêñòðàôîâåîëÿðíûå æå ìåìáðàíû ìîæíî ïîãðåòü ëàçåðîì. È åù¸. Çàìåòèë, ÷òî ïîñëå ââåäåíèÿ àíòè-VEGF ÷àñòî ñêðûòàÿ ÕÍ ñòàíîâèòñÿ âèäèìîé!
Ïåðñïåêòèâíûì íàïðàâëåíèåì â ýòîì ïëàíå ìîæåò áûòü õèðóðãè÷åñêîå óäàëåíèå ñóáðåòèíàëüíûõ ìåìáðàí. (âèòðåîðåòèíàëüíàÿ õèðóðãèÿ) Àíòè-Âè-È-Äæè-Ýô ïðèãîäÿòñÿ â ëå÷åíèè ïðîëèôåðàòèâíîé ÄÐÏ, ïîñòòðîìáîòè÷åñêîé ðåòèíîïàòèèè, è äðóãèõ ïîäîáíûõ ñîñòîÿíèé.
Ñîñóäû ïîñëå ââåäåíèÿ èíãèáèòîðîâ VEGF, èñ÷åçàþò. Åñòü çàíÿòíûé ôèëüì, ìóëüòèïëèêàöèÿ ïî ìåõàíèçìó äåéñòâèÿ àâàñòèíà ïðè îïóõîëÿõ (âåñèò 29 ìá). Âåäü èñïîëüçîâàíèå àíòè-VEGF ïîøëî îòòóäà. Èìåííî ïîýòîìó íàáëþäàåòñÿ ðåãðåññ îïóõîëè ïðè ðàêå.
 îòíîøåíèè ïðîãíîçà ïðè ñóáôîâåîëÿðíîé ÕÍ Âû ïðàâû, åñëè ïîÿâèëñÿ ôèáðîç, òî îí óæå íèêóäà íå äåíåòñÿ è ýôôåêò çà ñ÷åò ýòîãî áóäåò êîíå÷íî íèæå æåëàåìîãî.
Õèðóðãè÷åñêîå óäàëåíèå íåîâàñêóëÿðíûõ ìåìáðàí ïûòàëèñü äåëàòü, òåõíè÷åñêè ýòî âîçìîæíî, íî íà ñåãîäíÿ ïðàêòè÷åñêè îòêàçàëèñü, òàê êàê ïðè óäàëåíèè ìåìáðàíû îáÿçàòåëüíî ïîâðåæäàåòñÿ ïèãìåòíûé ýïèòåëèé, à ðåçóëüòàò ýòîãî èçâåñòåí.
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