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Ñòàðûé 21.12.2009, 21:30
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,637
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,354 ðàç(à) çà 31,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äîíîðñòâî: êàê ïðåäîòâðàòèòü ðàçâèòèå æåëåçîäåôèöèòíîé àíåìèè

Ñäà÷à 450-500 ìë êðîâè ïðèâîäèò ê ïîòåðå 200-300 ìã æåëåçà èç îðãàíèçìà, ÷òî ìîæåò ñîñòàâëÿòü ïîëîâèíó çàïàñîâ æåëåçà â îðãàíèçìå ìåíñòðóèðóþùåé æåíùèíû èëè 5-10% îò çàïàñîâ ó ìóæ÷èíû. Ïîýòîìó ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ ñäàâàòü êðîâü 2-3 ðàçà â ãîä æåíùèíàì èëè 4-5 ðàç â ãîä ìóæ÷èíàì. "Äèñêðèìèíàöèÿ" ñâÿçàíà ñ òåì, ÷òî ïðèìåðíî 500-1000 ìë (ýêâèâàëåíòíî 1-2 êðîâåñäà÷àì) êðîâè æåíùèíû òåðÿþò ñ ìåíñòðóàëüíûìè ïîòåðÿìè íà ïðîòÿæåíèè ãîäà. ×åì áîëüøå ìåíñòðóàëüíàÿ êðîâîïîòåðÿ (îöåíèòü èõ îáèëèå ìîæíî íà îñíîâàíèè òàáëèöû ïî ññûëêå http://www.forums.rusmedserv.com/showthread.php?t=29743 ), òåì ðåæå æåíùèíå ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ ñäàâàòü öåëüíóþ êðîâü èëè ýðèòðîìàññó. Ïîòåðÿííàÿ ñî ñäà÷åé êðîâü ðåãåíåðèðóåò ñî ñêîðîñòüþ 500 ìë çà 2 ìåñÿöà è óäëèíÿåòñÿ ïðè äåôèöèòå æåëåçà â îðãàíèçìå.

Îäíèì èç ìåòîäîâ âîçìåùåíèÿ ðàñòóùåãî äåôèöèòà æåëåçà â îðãàíèçìå è ïðîôèëàêòèêè æåëåçîäåôèöèòíîé àíåìèè ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïðîôèëàêòè÷åñêèé ïðèåì ïðåïàðàòà æåëåçà â äîçå ïðèìåðíî 40 ìã â òå÷åíèå 60 äíåé, ÷òî ñîñòàâëÿåò 2400 ìã æåëåçà ñóììàðíî è ïðè åãî íîðìàëüíîì 10% óñâîåíèè èç ÆÊÒ (òî åñòü 240 ìã) ïðèìåðíî âîñïîëíÿåò åãî ïîòåðè èç-çà êðîâîñäà÷è. Åñëè â ïðèíèìàåìîì ïðåïàðàòå ìåíüøàÿ äîçà (Àêòèôåððèí - 35 ìã æåëåçà), òî ïðîôèëàêòèêó ñëåäóåò ïðîäëèòü äî 70 äíåé, åñëè áîëüøàÿ (íàïð. Ôåððåòàá 50 ìã) - òî ñíèçèòü äî 50 äíåé. Íå ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ ïðîôèëàêòè÷åñêè ïðèíèìàòü áîëåå âûñîêèå äîçû (80-100 ìã) â òå÷åíèå 25-30 äíåé, òàê êàê âñàñûâàåìàÿ äîçà æåëåçà èç íèõ ìîæåò áûòü ìåíåå 10%, õîòÿ èõ àëüòåðíàòèâíûé ïðèåì (÷åðåç äåíü) â òå÷åíèå 50-60 äíåé ìîæåò áûòü èñïîëüçîâàí.

Ó æåíùèí ñ íàðóøåííûì óñâîåíèåì æåëåçà, îáèëüíûìè (áîëåå 60-80 ìë çà öèêë) ìåíñòðóàëüíûìè êðîâîïîòåðÿìè, ñäàþùèì êðîâü 3-4 ðàç â ãîä, åñëè âûøåóêàçàííûé ïðîôèëàêòè÷åñêèé ïðèåì âåäåò ê íåóêëîííîìó ñíèæåíèþ ãåìîãëîáèíà è æåëåçîäåôèöèòíîé àíåìèè, òî ñëåäóåò ïðèíèìàòü ïðåïàðàò æåëåçà â äîçå 50-80 ìã åæåäíåâíî ïîñòîÿííî.

Ïðè âîçíèêíîâåíèè æåëåçîäåôèöèòíîé ñèìïòîìàòèêè (ïîäðîáíåå ñîîáùåíèÿ 1-2 ïî ññûëêå http://www.forums.rusmedserv.com/showthread.php?t=30256 ) èëè ñîìíåíèé ïî ïîâîäó òåêóùèõ çàïàñîâ æåëåçà â îðãàíèçìå ñëåäóåò îïðåäåëèòü ôåððèòèí â êðîâè âíå ïðîñòóäû èëè äð. âîñïàëèòåëüíîãî çàáîëåâàíèÿ (â îáùåì àíàëèçå êðîâè - íîðìàëüíîå ÑÎÝ), è åãî öèôðû ìåíåå 40 íã/ìë óêàæóò íà æåëåçîäåôèöèò (à çíà÷èò ñëåäóåò óäëèííèòü ïðîôèëàêòè÷åñêèé ïðèåì æåëåçà), à ïðè öèôðàõ áîëåå 100 íã/ìë íàîáîðîò óìåíüøèòü èëè ïðîïóñòèòü îäèí ïðèôèëàêòè÷åñêèé öèêë ïîñëå êðîâîñäà÷è.

Ñîäåðæàíèå àñêîðáèíîâîé êèñëîòû (âèòàìèíà Ñ) â îðãàíèçìå è ïðèíèìàåìîé ïèùå âëèÿåò íà âñàñûâàíèå/óñâîåíèå æåëåçà èç ÆÊÒ. Ïîýòîìó äëÿ òåõ, äîíîðîâ, ó êîãî ðàöèîí îáåäíåí íàòóðàëüíûì âèòàìèíîì Ñ, èëè ó êóðÿùèõ äîíîðîâ èëè ïðèíèìàþùèõ ïåðîðàëüíûå êîíòðàöåïòèâû (ôàêòîðû ðèñêà ñíèæåíèÿ âèòàìèíà Ñ â êðîâè), áûëî áû öåëåñîîáðàçíî ïðèíèìàòü àñêîðáèíîâóþ êèñëîòó âìåñòå ñ æåëåçîì èç ðàñ÷åòà 4-5 ìã âèòàìèíà Ñ íà êàæäûé 1 ìã æåëåçà (200-300 ìã âèòàìèíà Ñ íà 35-50 ìã æåëåçà).

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Annabella îäîáðèë(à):
Aminazinka îäîáðèë(à): ñïàñèáî
Falx îäîáðèë(à): Ñïàñèáî, êàê ðàç ñåé÷àñ àêòóàëüíûé âîïðîñ
Elena_Bondareva îäîáðèë(à): Ñïàñèáî!
vola îäîáðèë(à): Ñïàñèáî
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
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Ñòàðûé 18.01.2010, 12:11
bikuni bikuni âíå ôîðóìà
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 03.03.2009
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 122
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 48
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
bikuni ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷, äîáðûé äåíü!
Ñïàñèáîâ âàì çà èíôîðìàöèþ, àêòóàëüíî!

Âñòðå÷íûé âîïðîñ - êàêîâû Âàøè ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïðè ñäà÷å ïëàçìû?

Ñïàñèáî!
  #3  
Ñòàðûé 18.01.2010, 20:15
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,637
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,354 ðàç(à) çà 31,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Åñëè èç îðãàíèçìà çàáèðàåòñÿ òîëüêî ïëàçìà (íàïð. â ðåçóëüòàòå ïðîöåäóðû ïëàçìàôåðåç), òî ðèñê ðàçâèòèÿ æåëåçîäåôèöèòà îòñóòñòâóåò.
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
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Ñòàðûé 19.01.2010, 08:49
bikuni bikuni âíå ôîðóìà
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 03.03.2009
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 122
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 48
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
bikuni ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñïàñèáî! ))
  #5  
Ñòàðûé 14.02.2010, 18:14
DmitriyG11 DmitriyG11 âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Ñåðôåð
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.02.2010
Ãîðîä: ã.Êèðîâñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2
DmitriyG11 *
À âîîáùå ïðîöåäóðà ïëàçìîôîðåñà áåçîïàñíà?
Ìíå äîêòîð îäèí îòãîâîðèë, òèïà àïïàðàò îäèí, à ëþäåé ìíîãî, ìàëî ëè ÷òî ïîäùåïèøü....
  #6  
Ñòàðûé 14.02.2010, 18:29
Rodionov Rodionov âíå ôîðóìà
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.02.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,764
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 804 ðàç(à) çà 733 ñîîáùåíèé
Rodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRodionov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðè ïëàçìàôåðåçå êðîâü ïàöèåíòà íå ïîñòóïàåò â àïïàðàò. Ñèñòåìà, â êîòîðîé ïðîèñõîäèò ðàçäåëåíèå öåëüíîé êðîâè ãåðìåòè÷íàÿ è, ðàçóìååòñÿ, îäíîðàçîâàÿ.

Íî ïðèìåíåíèå ïëàçìàôåðåçà ñàìîäåÿòåëüíûì îáðàçîì äëÿ "î÷èñòêè êðîâè" ïîñëå íîâîãî ãîäà - áðåä íåñóñâåòíûé, âñïîìèíàéòå Òóð÷èíñêîãî.
Ýòî âìåøàòåëüñòâî, èìåþùåå î÷åíü ñòðîãèå ïîêàçàíèÿ.
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Ñòàðûé 20.07.2011, 21:25
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,637
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,354 ðàç(à) çà 31,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íåäàâíåå èññëåäîâàíèå èç Èðàíà, ïîêàçàëî, ÷òî ñðåäè äîíîðîâ-ìóæ÷èí, ñäàþùèõ êðîâü 3 ðàçà â ãîä, ó 60% ïðèñóòñòâóåò æåëåçîäåôèöèò è ó 20% - æåëåçîäåôèöèòíàÿ àíåìèÿ:

Transfus Med Hemother. 2011;38(3):190-194. Iron Balance in Regular Blood Donors.
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 06.01.2012, 22:12
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,637
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,354 ðàç(à) çà 31,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
 Øòàòàõ çàøåâåëèëèñü ïî ïîâîäó æåëåçîäåôèöèòà ó äîíîðîâ... èññëåäîâàíèå ïîêàçàëî, ÷òî ó ïîëîâèíû äîíîðîâ èìååòñÿ æåëåçîäåôèöèò, à íàçíà÷åíèå ïðåïàðàòà æåëåçà íîðìàëèçóåò ïîêàçàòåëè êðîâè äàæå ó òåõ, êòî ïðîäîëæàåò ñäàâàòü êðîâü... ïîäðîáíåå íà àíãëèéñêîì:

STUDY DESIGN AND METHODS: During a 39-month period, 1236 blood donors deferred for a Hb level of less than 12.5 g/dL and 400 nondeferred control donors underwent health history screening and laboratory testing (complete blood counts, iron studies). Iron depletion and deficiency were defined as a ferritin level of 9 to 19 and less than 9 µg/L in females and 18 to 29 and less than 18 µg/L in males. Deferred donors and iron-deficient control donors were given a 60-pack of 325-mg ferrous sulfate tablets and instructed to take one tablet daily. Another 60-pack was dispensed at all subsequent visits.

RESULTS: In the low-Hb group, 30 and 23% of females and 8 and 53% of males had iron depletion or deficiency, respectively, compared with 29 and 10% of females and 18 and 21% of males in the control group. Iron-depleted or -deficient donors taking iron showed normalization of iron-related laboratory parameters, even as they continued to donate. Compliance with oral iron was 68%. Adverse gastrointestinal effects occurred in 21% of donors. The study identified 13 donors with serious medical conditions, including eight with gastrointestinal bleeding. No donors had malignancies or hemochromatosis.

CONCLUSION: Iron depletion or deficiency was found in 53% of female and 61% of male low-Hb donors and in 39% of female and male control donors. Routine administration of iron replacement therapy is safe and effective and prevents the development of iron depletion and deficiency in blood donors.
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Transfusion. 2011 Dec 29. Iron replacement therapy in the routine management of blood donors.
Bryant BJ, Yau YY, Arceo SM, Daniel-Johnson J, Hopkins JA, Leitman SF.
SourceFrom the Department of Transfusion Medicine, Warren G. Magnuson Clinical Center, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland; and the Department of Pathology, Blood Bank Division, University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston, Texas.
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  #9  
Ñòàðûé 15.01.2013, 23:08
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Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,637
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,354 ðàç(à) çà 31,699 ñîîáùåíèé
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Ïèêà è ñèíäðîì áåñïîêîéíûõ íîã ó äîíîðîâ êðîâè: ÷àñòîòà è îòâåò íà ëå÷åíèå

Transfusion. 2013 Jan 10. doi: 10.1111/trf.12061.
Ascertainment of iron deficiency and depletion in blood donors through screening questions for pica and restless legs syndrome.
Bryant BJ, Yau YY, Arceo SM, Hopkins JA, Leitman SF.
Department of Transfusion Medicine, National Institutes of Health Clinical Center, Bethesda, Maryland; Department of Pathology, Blood Bank Division, University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston, Texas.


BACKGROUND: Pica and restless legs syndrome (RLS) are associated with iron depletion and deficiency. The presence of pica and RLS was prospectively assessed in blood donors.

STUDY DESIGN AND METHODS: During a 39-month period, 1236 donors deferred for fingerstick hemoglobin (Hb) level of less than 12.5 g/dL and 400 nondeferred "control" donors underwent health screening and laboratory testing (complete blood count, ferritin, iron, transferrin). Pica and RLS were assessed by direct questioning. Deferred donors and iron-deficient control donors were given 325 mg of ferrous sulfate daily for 60 days. Reassessments were performed and additional iron tablets dispensed at subsequent visits.

RESULTS: Pica was reported in 11% of donors with iron depletion or deficiency, compared with 4% of iron-replete donors (p < 0.0001). Pagophagia (ice pica) was most common and often of extraordinary intensity. Female sex, younger age, and lower mean cell volume and transferrin saturation values were strongly associated with pica. Donors with pica given iron reported a marked reduction in the desire to consume the nonnutritive substance by Days 5 to 8 of therapy, with disappearance of symptoms by Days 10 to 14. RLS was reported in 16% of subjects with iron depletion or deficiency compared with 11% of iron-replete donors (p = 0.012). Iron replacement generally resulted in improvement of RLS symptoms; however, at least 4 to 6 weeks of iron therapy was necessary.
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Ñòàðûé 27.03.2014, 00:29
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Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,637
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,354 ðàç(à) çà 31,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
STUDY DESIGN AND METHODS: A total of 282 female whole blood donors aged 18 to 45 were prospectively randomized in a double-blinded placebo controlled trial to receive an 8-week postdonation course of carbonyl iron (45 mg daily) or placebo. The primary endpoint was prevalence of iron deficiency (ferritin < 15 ng/mL) at 12 weeks postdonation. Secondary endpoints were eligibility to donate based on capillary hemoglobin (Hb) and incidence of gastrointestinal (GI) complaints.

RESULTS: Ferritin levels at Week 12 were significantly higher in donors receiving carbonyl iron (17.0 ± 10.9 ng/mL) compared with those receiving placebo (10.6 ± 8.4 ng/mL; p < 0.001). The proportion of iron-deficient donors was significantly lower in the carbonyl iron group (51.9%) compared to the placebo (80.5%; p < 0.001). The mean Hb level in the carbonyl iron group (134.6 ± 8.7 g/L) was significantly higher than in the placebo arm (130.0 ± 9.9 g/L; p < 0.001), significantly improving eligibility to donate at Week 12. Significantly more donors receiving carbonyl iron had at least one GI side effect (p < 0.001). Importantly, 86.7% of donors receiving carbonyl iron indicated that they would take iron on an ongoing basis.

Transfusion. 2014 Mar;54(3 Pt 2):780-8.
An 8-week course of 45 mg of carbonyl iron daily reduces iron deficiency in female whole blood donors aged 18 to 45 years: results of a prospective randomized controlled trial.
Marks DC è ñîàâò.
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Ñòàðûé 01.07.2014, 22:56
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,637
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,354 ðàç(à) çà 31,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Îäíîêðàòíàÿ êðîâîñäà÷à ó æåíùèí äîíîðîâ áåç àíåìèè íî ñ èñõîäíûì æåëåçîäåôèöèòîì (ôåððèòèí ìåíåå 40) ïðèâîäèëà ê ñíèæåíèþ ãåìîãëîáèíà â ñðåäíåì íà 10 ã/ë è ôåððèòèíà íà 20 íã/ìë, ïðèåì òàðäèôåðîíà â òå÷åíèå 1 ìåñ. ïîâûøàëî ãåìîãëîáèí íà +5 ã/ë è ôåððèòèí íà +15 íã/ìë ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ ïëàöåáî, íî íå îêàçûâàëî âëèÿíèÿ íà ñàìî÷óâñòâèå (ñêîðåå âñåãî èç-çà êîðîòêîãî êóðñà êîððåêöèè 1 ìñ. ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ îáùåïðèíÿòûì 3 ìåñ.), ïîäðîáíåå:

Clinical evaluation of iron treatment efficiency among non-anemic but iron-deficient female blood donors: a randomized controlled trial [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Ñòàðûé 29.02.2016, 20:09
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,637
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,354 ðàç(à) çà 31,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
JAMA. 2015 Feb 10;313(6):575-83.
Oral iron supplementation after blood donation: a randomized clinical trial.
Kiss JE & National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI) Recipient Epidemiology and Donor Evaluation Study–III (REDS-III).


IMPORTANCE:

Although blood donation is allowed every 8 weeks in the United States, recovery of hemoglobin to the currently accepted standard (12.5 g/dL) is frequently delayed, and some donors become anemic.

OBJECTIVE:

To determine the effect of oral iron supplementation on hemoglobin recovery time (days to recovery of 80% of hemoglobin removed) and recovery of iron stores in iron-depleted ("low ferritin," ≤26 ng/mL) and iron-replete ("higher ferritin," >26 ng/mL) blood donors.

DESIGN, SETTING, AND PARTICIPANTS:

Randomized, nonblinded clinical trial of blood donors stratified by ferritin level, sex, and age conducted in 4 regional blood centers in the United States in 2012. Included were 215 eligible participants aged 18 to 79 years who had not donated whole blood or red blood cells within 4 months.

INTERVENTIONS:

One tablet of ferrous gluconate (37.5 mg of elemental iron) daily or no iron for 24 weeks (168 days) after donating a unit of whole blood (500 mL).

MAIN OUTCOMES AND MEASURES:

Time to recovery of 80% of the postdonation decrease in hemoglobin and recovery of ferritin level to baseline as a measure of iron stores.

RESULTS:

The mean baseline hemoglobin levels were comparable in the iron and no-iron groups and declined from a mean (SD) of 13.4 (1.1) g/dL to 12.0 (1.2) g/dL after donation in the low-ferritin group and from 14.2 (1.1) g/dL to 12.9 (1.2) g/dL in the higher-ferritin group. Compared with participants who did not receive iron supplementation, those who received iron supplementation had shortened time to 80% hemoglobin recovery in both the low-ferritin (mean, 32 days, interquartile range [IQR], 30-34, vs 158 days, IQR, 126->168) and higher-ferritin groups (31 days, IQR, 29-33, vs 78 days, IQR, 66-95). Median time to recovery to baseline ferritin levels in the low-ferritin group taking iron was 21 days (IQR, 12-84). For participants not taking iron, recovery to baseline was longer than 168 days (IQR, 128->168). Median time to recovery to baseline in the higher-ferritin group taking iron was 107 days (IQR, 75-141), and for participants not taking iron, recovery to baseline was longer than 168 days (IQR, >168->168). Recovery of iron stores in all participants who received supplements took a median of 76 days (IQR, 20-126); for participants not taking iron, median recovery time was longer than 168 days (IQR, 147->168 days; P < .001). Without iron supplements, 67% of participants did not recover iron stores by 168 days.

CONCLUSIONS AND RELEVANCE:

Among blood donors with normal hemoglobin levels, low-dose iron supplementation, compared with no supplementation, reduced time to 80% recovery of the postdonation decrease in hemoglobin concentration in donors with low ferritin (≤26 ng/mL) or higher ferritin (>26 ng/mL).
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Ñòàðûé 01.06.2016, 21:39
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Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,637
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,354 ðàç(à) çà 31,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
â ïðîäîëæåíèå REDS-III - 8 íåäåëü ïðèåìà æåëåçà 35-40 ìã â äåíü ïîñëå êðîâîñäà÷è äîñòàòî÷íî äëÿ 90% âîññòàíîâëåíèÿ æåëåçíîãî áàëàíñà â îðãàíèçìå:

Supplementation increased TBI compared to controls during the first 8 weeks after donation: 367.8 mg (95% CI, 293.5-442.1) versus -24.1 mg (95% CI, -82.5 to 34.3) for donors with a baseline ferritin level of not more than 26 ng/mL and 167.8 mg (95% CI, 116.5-219.2) versus -68.1 mg (95% CI, -136.7 to 0.5) for donors with a baseline ferritin level of more than 26 ng/mL. A total of 88% of the benefit of iron supplementation occurred during the first 8 weeks after blood donation.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
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Ñòàðûé 29.11.2016, 01:30
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,637
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,354 ðàç(à) çà 31,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Òîãäà êàê ÷åðåç 56 äíåé ïðîèñõîäèò âîññòàíîâëåíèå ïàðàìåòðîâ êðàñíîé êðîâè ó áîëüøèíñòâà äîíîðîâ, òîëüêî ê 180-ìó äíþ ôåððèòèí âîññòàíàâëèâàåòñÿ ó ðåãóëÿðíûõ äîíîðîâ íà 100%, à ñðåäè ïåðèîäè÷åñêèõ äîíîðîâ êðîâè òîëüêî ó 80%
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Blood. 2016 Oct 27;128(17):2185-2188.
The donation interval of 56 days requires extension to 180 days for whole blood donors to recover from changes in iron metabolism.
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
  #15  
Ñòàðûé 06.02.2017, 23:23
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,637
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,354 ðàç(à) çà 31,699 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ó äîíîðîâ êðîâè, ñòðàäàþùèõ ëàòåíòíîé öåëèàêèåé, íà÷èíàåòñÿ ñíèæåíèå ãåìîãëîáèíà çà 1-2.5 ãîäà äî ïîñòàíîâêè äèàãíîçà, íî íå âñåãäà äîñòèãàåò àíåìè÷åñêîãî óðîâíÿ (÷àñòîòà àíåìèè 18-25% â çàâèñèìîñòè îò ïîëà), ïîäðîáíåå
Haemoglobin decline before coeliac disease diagnosis: a nationwide transfusion cohort study of 1.1 million blood donors
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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