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è ñíîâà çàäà÷êè ..
Êîãäà-òî ó íàñ áûëà äîáðàÿ òðàäèöèÿ - ðåøàòü çàäà÷êè .
Ïî ãëóïîñòè ÿ çíà÷èòåëüíóþ ÷àñòü çàäà÷ èç ñáîðíèêîâ âñòðå÷ ñ ýêñïåðòàìè ïðåäñòàâëÿëà íà ñàéòå Ñîëüâåé ( íûíå Ýááîò ) , íî , áîþñü , ýòî áûëè çàäà÷êè â íèêóäà ,, Ìá, ïîïðîáóåì èñïîëüçâîàòü ñáîðíèêè ì ìèðíûõ öåëÿõ íà ÐÌÑ ? Ó 55 ëåòíåé æåíùèíû, êîòîðóþ áåñïîêîèò óñèëåíèå ïåðèñòàëüòèêè è äèàðåÿ â òå÷åíèå 3 ìåñ., ïîõóäåâøåé íà 6 êã çà òîò æå ïåðèîä, è â ïîñëåäíèé ðàç íàâåùàâøåé âðà÷à 12 ëåò òîìó íàçàä, âûÿâëåíà 2,4 ñì èíñèäåíòàëîìà. Îíà êóðèëà 15 ëåò è áðîñèëà 2 ãîäà íàçàä, â ñåìüå äèàáåò 2 òèïà, êðîìå àëëåðãè÷åñêèõ ðåàêöèé íà óæå çàáûòûå ïðåïàðàòû â ïðîøëîì ïðîáëåì íå áûëî. Ïðè îñìîòðå, êðîìå áîëåé â ëåâîé ïîëîâèíå æèâîòà, - áåç ïðîáëåì. ÀÄ 125/70 ìì ðò. ñò. ×ÑÑ - 78 óä. â ìèí, ýëåêòîðîëèòû â íîðìå. ÊÒ áåç êîíòðàñòà 24 ÅÕ. Âîïðîñû : îïòèìàëüíûå ñëåäóþùèé øàã À - ìåòàíåôðèíû è 1 ìã òåñò ñ äåêñà Á - ìåòàíåôðèíû è àëüäîñòåðîí / ðåíèí  - 1 ìã äåêñà + àëüäîñòåðîí / ðåíèí à - ÊÒ ïîâòîðíî ÷åðåç ïîëãîäà
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Èíñèäåíòàëîìà áîëåå 1 ñì òðåáóåò èñêëþ÷åíèÿ ãîðìîíàëüíîé àêòèâíîñòè, îäíàêî îòñóòñòâèå ãèïåðòåíçèè è ýëåêòðîëèòíûõ íàðóøåíèé äåëàåò ëèøíèì îïðåäåëåíèÿ ðåíèíà/àëüäîñòåðîíà. |
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Îòâåò âåðíûé .
Íþàíñ ýòîé çàäà÷êè â åä Õàóíñôèëäà , îíè áîëåå 10 ( îòðåçíîé êðèåòðèé äëÿ äîáðêà÷åñòâåííîñòè ÀÄÅÍÎÌÛ ) , è ëîâóøêà ñ ïóíêöèîííîé áèîïñèåé . Ôåî - ÍÅ àäåíîìà , è ïîýòîìó íà íå¸ çàêîí íèæå 10 ÅÕ = íå ðàê íå ðàñïðîñòðàíÿåòñÿ Òîãäà ñëåäóþùóþ çàäà÷êó ( äåëî ïîøëî áûñòðåíüêî )
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Ó 70 -ëåòíåãî â öåëîì çäîðîâîãî ìóæ÷èíû ïðè îáñëåäîâàíèè ïî ïîâîäó àáäîìèíàëüíûõ áîëåé âûÿâëåíà íà ÊÒ 4, 5 ñì èíñèäåíòàëîìà ïðàâîãî íàäïî÷å÷íèêà. Íà ïðîòÿæåíèè ïîñëåäíèõ 15 ëåò îí ïðèáàâèë ìàññó òåëà íà 8 êã ïðåèìóùåñòâåííî ñ âèñöåðàëüíûì îòëîæåíèåì æèðà, ó íåãî âîò óæå 20 ëåò êàê çàðåãèñòðèðîâàíà àðòåðèàëüíàÿ ãèïåðòåíçèÿ, õîðîøî êîíòðîëèðóåìàÿ ñ ïîìîùüþ äâóõ ãèïîòåíçèâíûõ ïðåïàðàòîâ.
Èíñèäåíòàëîìà ãîìîãåííà, áåç êîíòðàñòà 5 åä Õàóíñôèëäà Êàêîå èç ñëåäóþùèõ çàêëþ÷åíèé êîððåêòíî? À- Ñðî÷íî ïðîâåñòè ÌÐÒ áðþøíîé ïîëîñòè äëÿ èñêëþ÷åíèÿ ìåòàñòàòè÷åñêîãî ïðîöåññà èëè àäðåíîêîðòèêàëüíîãî ðàêà Á- èìåþùååñÿ îáðàçîâàíèå äîáðîêà÷åñòâåííî ïî ñâîåé ïðèðîäå Â-èç-çà ðàçìåðà ñëåäóåò óäàëèòü èíñèäåíòàëîìó Ã- ýòî ëèïîìà Ä-èñêëþ÷èâ ôåî, íàäî ïðîâîäèò ïóíêöèîííóþ áèîïñèþ ðàäè èñêëþ÷åíèÿ ìåòàñòàçîâ
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Ó 1 èç 8 ïàöèåíòîâ ñ èíñèäåíòàëîìîé áîëåå 4 ñì - îïóõîëü çëîêà÷åñòâåííàÿ. ÊÒ è ÌÐÒ îäèíàêîâî ÷óâñòâèòåëüíû â äèô. äèàãíîñòèêå çëîêà÷åñòâåííûõ è äîáðîêà÷åñòâåííûõ îïóõîëåé íàäïî÷å÷íèêîâ. |
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íåò, íå òàê .
Âîîáùå ïàôîñ ýòèõ çàäà÷ â ïåðåîöåíêå ïðèîðèòåòîâ . Ãðàäàöèè ïî äèàìåòðó ( êñòàòè , ïî áîëüøèíñòâó êîíñåíñóñîâ äî 3-õ æäè è ñìîòðè, ïîñëå 3 -äî 5 - êàê íà÷àëüñòèâî ñêàæåò - íà óñìîòðåíèå ëîêàëüíûõ ãàéëîâ , ïîñëå 5- ðåæü âî èìÿ % ðàêà ) äîëæíû èìåòü ïîïðàâêó íà òîâ Õàóíñôèëäà
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Â-îáðàçîâàíèå íàäî óäàëÿòü èç-çà ðàçìåðîâ, åñëè àíåñòåçèîëîã íå âîçðàæàåò (à ìóæ÷èíà êàê áû ïðàêòè÷åñêè çäîðîâ, ïîòîìó ðàçðåøèò). Äî 3 ñì íàáëþäåíèå, îò 5 ñì-îäíîçíà÷íî óäàëÿòü, íî 4, 5-ïî÷òè 5
P.S. Ïðîøó ïðîùåíèÿ: ïðåäûäóùèé îòâåò åùå áûë íå âèäåí, êîãäà ïèñàë |
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Ðàç íèçêàÿ ïëîòíîñòü. |
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Äåëî â òîì , ÷òî Âû îøèáàåòåñü äàæå â îòðåçíûõ êðèòåðèÿõ Åâðîïåéñêîãî è Àìåðèêàíñêîãî ãàéäîâ ïðîøëîãî ..
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È ýòî ïðàâèëüíûé îòâåò !
Ðàçúÿñíåíèå : ÷åì áîëüøå æèðà , òåì íèæå ïëîòíîñòü ( èñêë ìèåëîëèïîìà) Îöåíèâàÿ ïëàíû âåäåíèÿ èíñèäåíòàëîìû ìû ïî ñóòè ( òóò ÿ ÷óòü ïîçâîëÿþ ñåáå ïîïðîâèòü ýêñïåðòà) îêàçûâåìñÿ íà ïîçèöèè ñòàðò ( êàê â äåòñîêé èãðå ñ ôèøêàìè - óæå ïî÷òè äîøåë äî ôèíèøà , è âûïàëà êàðòî÷êâ âåðíèòåñü íà ïîçèöèþ ñòàðò ) Ñëîâîì , èñêàëè íå÷òî ñîâñåì äðóãîå , íàøëè èíñèäåíòàëîìó . Ïîçèöèÿ ñòàðò: 1/ ïðîòèðàåì ãëàçà è ïåðåñìàòðèâàåì êëèíèêó ïîä óãëîì - à ÷òî ñ ýòèì íàäïî÷å÷íèêîì ? Åñòü ëè äàííûå , õîòü ñëàáûå , çà ãîðìîíàëüíóþ àêòèâíîñòü? Åñëè ëà äàííûå çà âîçìîæíîñòü ìåòàñòàçà ? Êàêîâû õààðêòåðèñòèêè ýòîé îïóõîëè ÊÒ è ãîðìîíàëüíûå ?
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Öèòàòà:
Ïðîñòèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ÷òî âìåñòî îòâåòà êî âòîðîé çàäà÷å çàäàþ âîïðîñ ïî ïåðâîé: íå ìîãëè áû Âû ÷óòü ïîäðîáíåå ðàññêàçàòü î ïëîòíîñòíûõ õàðàêòåðèñòèêàõ ôåîõðîìîöèòîìû? ß ïðèâûê ñ÷èòàòü, ÷òî äëÿ ôåîõðîìîöèòîìû òèïè÷íà êàê ðàç áîëåå âûñîêàÿ ïëîòíîñòü ïî Õàóíñôèëäó (âïëîòü äî 40 ÅÕ) è àêòèâíîå íàêîïëåíèå êîíòðàñòà (ò.å. "íèæå 10 ÅÕ = Íå Ôåî") - òàê ëè ýòî èëè ÿ ÷åãî-òî íåäîïîíèìàþ?  îòíîøåíèè âòîðîé çàäà÷è - ïðåäëàãàþ âàðèàíò Á èìåííî â ñèëó íåáîëüøîé ïëîòíîñòè èíñèäåíòàëîìû (õîòÿ ïîäìûâàëî îñòàíîâèòüñÿ íà À ñ ó÷åòîì âîçðàñòà ïàöèåíòà) ____________________________ Âàñèëèé Ñàìèòèí, ýíäîêðèíîëîã P.S. Ïðîñòèòå, îïîçäàë ñ ïîñòîì - ïðî÷èòàë Âàø ïðåäûäóùèé è, êàæåòñÿ, âñå ïîíÿë. |
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 ïåðâîé çàäà÷êå êàê ðàç ïîòîìó è îòâåò ïðàâèëüíûé ( ÑÐÅÄÈ ïðåäëîæåííûõ ) ìåèòàíåôðèíû , ïîòîìó êàê áîëåå âñåãî ïîäõîäèò ïîä ôåî - è êëèíèêà ( ñêîðåå , ïðàâäà ÌÝÍ2) è ïëîòíîñòü íàøåíñêàÿ - ôåî ÍÅ àäåíîìà âåäü , è â íåé íåò æèðà . Òàê ÷òî èç ïðåäëîæåííîãî ïðàâèëüíûé - äîêàçûâàé ôåî
Êñòàòè, êîëëåãà , íå ïîðà ëè âàì êðàñíåòü óæå ? Êðàñíûé íèê áûë áû ê ëèöó - ïîòîìó êàê ÿ äàâíî õî÷ó ðàçáîëòàòü îäíó èñòîðèþ , êîòîðàÿ ìåíÿ ìó÷àåò ñî â÷åðàøíåãî äíÿ , è ïåðåéäó â æåëòîå )
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Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî çà îáúÿñíåíèå!
"Êðàñíåòü" íåìíîãî ñòðàøíîâàòî, íî âå÷íî îïàñàòüñÿ íåëüçÿ - íàäåþñü ïîïðîáîâàòü. ____________________ Âàñèëèé Ñàìèòèí. ýíäîêðèíîëîã |
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Íå ïîìíþ, îòêóäà óêðàë, ïîýòîìó ññûëêó íå ïðèâîæó.
[Èçîáðàæåíèÿ äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì]  îòíîøåíèè îòðåçíûõ òî÷åê ïî ðàçìåðàì èíñèäåíòàëîìû áûë óâåðåí, ÷òî îíè äðóãèå. Èìåþòñÿ ðåêîìåíäàöèè ([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]), óòâåðæäàþùèå: More than 60% of incidentalomas less than 4 cm are benign adenomas, while less than 2% represent primary adrenal carcinomas. In contrast, the risk for adrenal carcinoma increases to 25% in lesions that are greater than 6 cm, while benign adrenal adenomas account for less than 15%. Therefore, the generally accepted recommendation is to excise lesions that are larger than 6 cm. Lesions that are less than 4 cm and are defined as low risk by imaging criteria are unlikely to have malignant potential and are generally not resected. The need and strategy for routine follow-up in this group are unclear. For lesions between 4 cm and 6 cm, either close follow-up or adrenalectomy is considered a reasonable approach. Åñòü î÷åíü ïîäðîáíûé àïäåéò Endocrine Society ([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]), ãäå ãîâîðèòñÿ: In patients with nonfunctioning incidentally discovered adrenal masses, management begins after distinguishing between malignant and benign tumors. Size has traditionally been the major predictor of malignancy. Benign adenomas account for more than 60% of masses under 4 cm in diameter, but less than 15% of those over 6 cm. The risk of primary adrenal carcinoma, on the other hand, is less than 2% in inapparent adrenal masses under 4 cm, but rises to 25% in lesions greater than 6 cm according to surgical series reports. Therefore, the general practice is to excise lesions larger than 6 cm. Lesions smaller than 4 cm, defined as low risk by imaging criteria, are unlikely to be malignant and are generally not resected. For intermediate lesions between 4 and 6 cm, either adrenalectomy or close follow-up is reasonable. Äàííûå Èòàëüÿíñêîãî èññëåäîâàíèÿ ([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]) òàê è âîîáùå ãîâîðÿò î 93% ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòè êðèòåðèÿ > 4 ñì â îòíîøåíèè ðèñêà çëîêà÷åñòâåííîñòè Õîòÿ 2003 è 2004 ãã. ñóòü ðåêîìåíäàöèè íå íîâûå, åñëè åñòü ñâåæåå, ïîäñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà! |