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  #31  
Ñòàðûé 15.09.2005, 18:01
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.11.2004
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 23,089
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,815 ðàç(à) çà 6,488 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 15
qwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò dr_medvedev
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Áîëüøàÿ ñòàòüÿ, ïîñâÿùåííàÿ ñèìáèîçó ïðîñòåéøèõ è áàêòåðèé. 2001 ãîä
Äà, òàêèå ðàáîòû åñòü, è ïî òðèõîìîíàäàì â òîì ÷èñëå. Òðèõîìîíàäû ïèòàþòñÿ ýòèìè áàêòåðèÿìè, îáû÷íî îíè áûñòðî óáèâàþòñÿ è ëèçèðóþòñÿ, íî èíîãäà áàêòåðèè (êàê - íåïîíÿòíî) èç ïèùåâàðèòåëüíîé âàêóîëè âûõîäÿò â öèòîïëàçìó ïàðàçèòà â îêðóæåíèè ñïåöèàëüíîé ìåìáðàíû, êàê áû îòøíóðîâûâàþòñÿ îò ïèùåâàðèòåëüíîé âàêóîëè.  ýòîé ìåìáðàíå îíè òèõî ñèäÿò äî ãèáåëè òðèõîìîíàäû, à ïîòîì îñâîáîæäàþòñÿ è îïÿòü íà÷èíàþò äåëèòüñÿ. Ýòî êàñàåòñÿ Neisseria gonorrhoeae, Mycoplasma hominis and Ureaplasma. Íàñ÷åò Chlamydia trachomatis æå - ê íèì òðèõîìîíàäû ðàâíîäóøíû, îíè èõ äàæå íå åäÿò, òàê ÷òî íàñ÷åò ñèìáèîçà ãîâîðèòü íå ïðèõîäèòñÿ. Ðàáîòû ïî âçàèìîîòíîøåíèþ òðèõîìîíàä è õëàìèäèé ïðîâîäèëèñü åùå â 80-å ãîäû, ñåé÷àñ, ïî-ìîåìó, ýòèì íèêòî âñåðüåç íå çàíèìàåòñÿ. Ïðîáëåìà ñ õëàìèäèÿìè, ìíå êàæåòñÿ, äðóãîãî ðîäà - ÷àñòü èõ æèçíåííîãî öèêëà ïðîõîäèò âíóòðèêëåòî÷íî, è èìåííî âíóòðèêëåòî÷íûå ôîðìû ñ÷èòàþòñÿ óñòîé÷èâûìè ê àíòèáèîòèêàì. Òàê ÷òî ïðè ñìåøàííîé èíôåêöèè â èäåå ëå÷èòü ñíà÷àëà òðèõîìîíèàç åñòü çäðàâîå çåðíî.
À íàñ÷åò ïðîèñõîæäåíèÿ ìèòîõîíäðèé - äà, åñòü òàêàÿ ãèïîòåçà, è âïîëíå îáîñíîâàííàÿ.
  #32  
Ñòàðûé 15.09.2005, 18:10
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ÑÏÅÖÈÀËÈÑÒ
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.11.2004
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 23,089
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,815 ðàç(à) çà 6,488 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 15
qwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñåé÷àñ ïîñìîòðåëà âíèìàòåëüíåå öèòàòó èç basic. ×òî òàêîå àòèïè÷íûå íèçêîìåòàáîëè÷åñêèå òðèõîìîíàäû, ìíå íå èçâåñòíî. È êàê îíè ìîäèôèöèðóþòñÿ â òèïè÷íûå íîðìàëüíîìåòàáîëè÷åñêèå? (Ïðîñòèòå, åñëè èñêàæàþ òåðìèíîëîãèþ ïåðâîèñòî÷íèêà, íî ýòî ÷òî-òî î÷åíü íîâîå è îðèãèíàëüíîå). Êòî-íèáóäü èìååò îá ýòîì èíôîðìàöèþ, ïîìèìî êóñêà ýòèõ òåçèñîâ?
  #33  
Ñòàðûé 15.09.2005, 22:36
Dr Kovalyk Dr Kovalyk âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.07.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 356
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 5 ðàç(à) çà 5 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr Kovalyk ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr Kovalyk ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr Kovalyk ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr Kovalyk ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr Kovalyk ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò qwerty
Äà, òàêèå ðàáîòû åñòü, è ïî òðèõîìîíàäàì â òîì ÷èñëå. Òðèõîìîíàäû ïèòàþòñÿ ýòèìè áàêòåðèÿìè, îáû÷íî îíè áûñòðî óáèâàþòñÿ è ëèçèðóþòñÿ, íî èíîãäà áàêòåðèè (êàê - íåïîíÿòíî) èç ïèùåâàðèòåëüíîé âàêóîëè âûõîäÿò â öèòîïëàçìó ïàðàçèòà â îêðóæåíèè ñïåöèàëüíîé ìåìáðàíû, êàê áû îòøíóðîâûâàþòñÿ îò ïèùåâàðèòåëüíîé âàêóîëè.  ýòîé ìåìáðàíå îíè òèõî ñèäÿò äî ãèáåëè òðèõîìîíàäû, à ïîòîì îñâîáîæäàþòñÿ è îïÿòü íà÷èíàþò äåëèòüñÿ. Ýòî êàñàåòñÿ Neisseria gonorrhoeae, Mycoplasma hominis and Ureaplasma. Íàñ÷åò Chlamydia trachomatis æå - ê íèì òðèõîìîíàäû ðàâíîäóøíû, îíè èõ äàæå íå åäÿò, òàê ÷òî íàñ÷åò ñèìáèîçà ãîâîðèòü íå ïðèõîäèòñÿ. Ðàáîòû ïî âçàèìîîòíîøåíèþ òðèõîìîíàä è õëàìèäèé ïðîâîäèëèñü åùå â 80-å ãîäû, ñåé÷àñ, ïî-ìîåìó, ýòèì íèêòî âñåðüåç íå çàíèìàåòñÿ. Ïðîáëåìà ñ õëàìèäèÿìè, ìíå êàæåòñÿ, äðóãîãî ðîäà - ÷àñòü èõ æèçíåííîãî öèêëà ïðîõîäèò âíóòðèêëåòî÷íî, è èìåííî âíóòðèêëåòî÷íûå ôîðìû ñ÷èòàþòñÿ óñòîé÷èâûìè ê àíòèáèîòèêàì. Òàê ÷òî ïðè ñìåøàííîé èíôåêöèè â èäåå ëå÷èòü ñíà÷àëà òðèõîìîíèàç åñòü çäðàâîå çåðíî.
À íàñ÷åò ïðîèñõîæäåíèÿ ìèòîõîíäðèé - äà, åñòü òàêàÿ ãèïîòåçà, è âïîëíå îáîñíîâàííàÿ.
Âîò òå ðàç...! À ÿ òóò ïî÷òè óáåäèë êîëëåã â îáðàòíîì... Ìû, ïðàâäà, íå íàøëè íèêàêèõ ññûëîê íàñ÷åò ðåçåðâóàðíîé ôóíêöèè òðèõîìîíàä. À ÷òî ïèøóò ïî ýòîìó âîïðîñó â "Microbiology"?
  #34  
Ñòàðûé 16.09.2005, 15:36
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ÑÏÅÖÈÀËÈÑÒ
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.11.2004
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 23,089
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,815 ðàç(à) çà 6,488 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 15
qwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
À ïî÷åìó îáÿçàòåëüíî â Microbiology?  ïî÷èâøåé áàçå BioMedNet áûëî äîñòàòî÷íî ññûëîê íà ñòàðûå ðàáîòû ñ ÝÌ, èç ñâåæåíüêîãî:

Infect Immun. 2005 Feb;73(2):1180-6.
Long-term survival and intracellular replication of Mycoplasma hominis in Trichomonas vaginalis cells: potential role of the protozoon in transmitting bacterial infection.
Dessi D, Delogu G, Emonte E, Catania MR, Fiori PL, Rappelli P.
Department of Biomedical Sciences, Division of Experimental and Clinical Microbiology, University of Sassari, Viale S. Pietro 43/B, 07100 Sassari, Italy.

In this work, we examined the cellular location of M. hominis in respect to T. vaginalis. By using gentamicin protection assays, double immunofluorescence, and confocal microscopy, we obtained strong evidence that M. hominis is located within protozoan cells. 5-Bromodeoxyuridine incorporation assays showed that intracellularly located mycoplasmas actively synthesize DNA. Our results demonstrate that M. hominis has the capability of entering trichomonad cells and of replicating inside the protozoon. These findings suggest that symbiosis might provide the bacteria, during human infection, with the capability to resist to environmental stresses, such as host defense mechanisms and pharmacological therapies.

Arch Microbiol. 2001 Jan;175(1):70-4.
Mycoplasma hominis and Trichomonas vaginalis symbiosis: multiplicity of infection and transmissibility of M. hominis to human cells.
Rappelli P, Carta F, Delogu G, Addis MF, Dessi D, Cappuccinelli P, Fiori PL.
Department of Biomedical Sciences, University of Sassari, Italy. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

We recently reported that most Trichomonas vaginalis isolates cultured in vitro are infected by Mycoplasma hominis. In this work, we have characterized some aspects of the relationships between the two microorganisms. PCR, cultivation, and immunological methods revealed that the number of M. hominis organisms carried by T. vaginalis in culture varied from isolate to isolate, suggesting a specific multiplicity of infection. Moreover, infected T. vaginalis isolates were able to pass bacteria not only to M. hominis-free protozoa, but also to human-derived epithelial cells. The in vitro transmission of the bacterium from T. vaginalis to both uninfected parasite isolates and human epithelial cells suggests a role for T. vaginalis as a carrier of the M. hominis infection in vivo.

Òàê ÷òî, ïî ïîñëåäíèì äàííûì, îíè òàì åùå è ðàçìíîæàþòñÿ.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
dr_medvedev îäîáðèë(à): Ñïàñèáî îãðîìíîå. Ðàä, ÷òî íà ôîðóìå ïîÿâèëñÿ åùå îäèí Ñïåöèàëèñò :-)
  #35  
Ñòàðûé 16.09.2005, 18:35
Dr Kovalyk Dr Kovalyk âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.07.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 356
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 5 ðàç(à) çà 5 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr Kovalyk ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr Kovalyk ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr Kovalyk ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr Kovalyk ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr Kovalyk ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò qwerty
À ïî÷åìó îáÿçàòåëüíî â Microbiology?  ïî÷èâøåé áàçå BioMedNet áûëî äîñòàòî÷íî ññûëîê íà ñòàðûå ðàáîòû ñ ÝÌ, èç ñâåæåíüêîãî:

Infect Immun. 2005 Feb;73(2):1180-6.
Long-term survival and intracellular replication of Mycoplasma hominis in Trichomonas vaginalis cells: potential role of the protozoon in transmitting bacterial infection.
Dessi D, Delogu G, Emonte E, Catania MR, Fiori PL, Rappelli P.
Department of Biomedical Sciences, Division of Experimental and Clinical Microbiology, University of Sassari, Viale S. Pietro 43/B, 07100 Sassari, Italy.

In this work, we examined the cellular location of M. hominis in respect to T. vaginalis. By using gentamicin protection assays, double immunofluorescence, and confocal microscopy, we obtained strong evidence that M. hominis is located within protozoan cells. 5-Bromodeoxyuridine incorporation assays showed that intracellularly located mycoplasmas actively synthesize DNA. Our results demonstrate that M. hominis has the capability of entering trichomonad cells and of replicating inside the protozoon. These findings suggest that symbiosis might provide the bacteria, during human infection, with the capability to resist to environmental stresses, such as host defense mechanisms and pharmacological therapies.

Arch Microbiol. 2001 Jan;175(1):70-4.
Mycoplasma hominis and Trichomonas vaginalis symbiosis: multiplicity of infection and transmissibility of M. hominis to human cells.
Rappelli P, Carta F, Delogu G, Addis MF, Dessi D, Cappuccinelli P, Fiori PL.
Department of Biomedical Sciences, University of Sassari, Italy. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

We recently reported that most Trichomonas vaginalis isolates cultured in vitro are infected by Mycoplasma hominis. In this work, we have characterized some aspects of the relationships between the two microorganisms. PCR, cultivation, and immunological methods revealed that the number of M. hominis organisms carried by T. vaginalis in culture varied from isolate to isolate, suggesting a specific multiplicity of infection. Moreover, infected T. vaginalis isolates were able to pass bacteria not only to M. hominis-free protozoa, but also to human-derived epithelial cells. The in vitro transmission of the bacterium from T. vaginalis to both uninfected parasite isolates and human epithelial cells suggests a role for T. vaginalis as a carrier of the M. hominis infection in vivo.

Òàê ÷òî, ïî ïîñëåäíèì äàííûì, îíè òàì åùå è ðàçìíîæàþòñÿ.
Ñïàñèáî, îãðîìíîå çà ññûëêè!
Íå ïîÿñíèòå ëè â äâóõ ñëîâàõ ÷òî òàêîå "gentamicin protection assays" è "double immunofluorescence".  ïîñëåäíåì ñëó÷àå, âèäèìî, ðå÷ü èäåò îá èñïîëüçîâàíèè äâóõ âèäîâ àíòèòðèõîìîíàäíûõ àíòèòåë ìå÷åíûõ ÔÈÒÖ?

È åùå... Êàê Âû îòíîñèòåñü ê ðàáîòàì ïðîô. Äìèòðèåâà Ã.À., îáíàðóæèâøåãî ÂÏÃ-1,2 â ãîíîêîêêå?
  #36  
Ñòàðûé 16.09.2005, 19:04
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qwerty qwerty âíå ôîðóìà
ÑÏÅÖÈÀËÈÑÒ
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.11.2004
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 23,089
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,815 ðàç(à) çà 6,488 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 15
qwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr Kovalyk
Ñïàñèáî, îãðîìíîå çà ññûëêè!
Íå ïîÿñíèòå ëè â äâóõ ñëîâàõ ÷òî òàêîå "gentamicin protection assays" è "double immunofluorescence".  ïîñëåäíåì ñëó÷àå, âèäèìî, ðå÷ü èäåò îá èñïîëüçîâàíèè äâóõ âèäîâ àíòèòðèõîìîíàäíûõ àíòèòåë ìå÷åíûõ ÔÈÒÖ?

È åùå... Êàê Âû îòíîñèòåñü ê ðàáîòàì ïðîô. Äìèòðèåâà Ã.À., îáíàðóæèâøåãî ÂÏÃ-1,2 â ãîíîêîêêå?
"gentamicin protection assays" - ãåíòàìèöèí ñíà÷àëà èñïîëüçîâàëè äëÿ ñòåðèëèçàöèè êóëüòóðû, à çàòåì ê êóëüòóðå (íà íîâîé ñðåäå) äîáàâèëè ìèêîïëàçìó è ïîñìîòðåëè. ÷òî ïîëó÷èëîñü.
"double immunofluorescence" - íåò, èñïîëüçîâàëè ìå÷åíûå àíòèòåëà ê ìèêîïëàçìàì äëÿ èõ âèçóàëèçàöèè â òðèõîìîíàäàõ.
Íàñ÷åò ðàáîò Äìèòðèåâà íè÷åãî íå ñêàæó, ÿ âñå-òàêè òîëüêî ïàðàçèòîëîã,à íå ìèêðîáèîëîã.
  #37  
Ñòàðûé 16.09.2005, 20:13
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dr_medvedev dr_medvedev âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.07.2004
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1 ðàç çà 1 ñîîáùåíèå
dr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò qwerty
Ñåé÷àñ ïîñìîòðåëà âíèìàòåëüíåå öèòàòó èç basic. ×òî òàêîå àòèïè÷íûå íèçêîìåòàáîëè÷åñêèå òðèõîìîíàäû, ìíå íå èçâåñòíî. È êàê îíè ìîäèôèöèðóþòñÿ â òèïè÷íûå íîðìàëüíîìåòàáîëè÷åñêèå? (Ïðîñòèòå, åñëè èñêàæàþ òåðìèíîëîãèþ ïåðâîèñòî÷íèêà, íî ýòî ÷òî-òî î÷åíü íîâîå è îðèãèíàëüíîå). Êòî-íèáóäü èìååò îá ýòîì èíôîðìàöèþ, ïîìèìî êóñêà ýòèõ òåçèñîâ?
Ýòî Âû ó ñàìîãî Basica ñïðîñèòå. Îí âëàäååò áîëüøèì îáúåìîì èíôîðìàöèè, èçâåñòíîé è ïîíÿòíîé òîëüêî åìó :-)
  #38  
Ñòàðûé 19.09.2005, 13:49
Àâàòàð äëÿ qwerty
qwerty qwerty âíå ôîðóìà
ÑÏÅÖÈÀËÈÑÒ
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.11.2004
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 23,089
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,815 ðàç(à) çà 6,488 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 15
qwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåqwerty ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âàæíîå äîïîëíåíèå

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò dr_medvedev
dr_medvedev îäîáðèë(à): Ñïàñèáî îãðîìíîå. Ðàä, ÷òî íà ôîðóìå ïîÿâèëñÿ åùå îäèí Ñïåöèàëèñò :-)
Ðàäà áûòü âñåì ïîëåçíîé. Íà ñòàòóñ ñïåöèàëèñòà íå ïðåòåíäóþ, òàê êàê âðà÷åáíîãî äèïëîìà íå èìåþ.

Ñ÷èòàþ íåîáõîäèìûì óòî÷íèòü, ÷òî äàëåêî íå âî âñåõ èññëåäîâàíèÿõ âîçìîæíîñòü ñóùåñòâîâàíèÿ öèòîáèîöåíîçà â òðèõîìîíàäàõ áûëà ïîêàçàíà. Åñòü èññëåäîâàíèÿ, â êîòîðûõ òðèõîìîíàäû ïðîñòî ïîåäàëè ýòè áàêòåðèè áåçî âñÿêîãî ïåðåõîäà ïîñëåäíèõ â öèòîïëàçìó. Ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó áûëî îïóáëèêîâàíî, åñëè íå îøèáàþñü, â "Ëàíöåòå" çà 1999ã. ïèñüìî Ä-ðà Òåéëîð-Ðîáèíñîíà, êîòîðûé îòðèöàåò ñóùåñòâîâàíèå òàêîãî ôåíîìåíà. Ó ìåíÿ â ñòàðûõ äàóíëîäàõ åñòü åãî ðàáîòà (BR.J.Vener.Dis.,1984, 60:31-38), ãäå îí ïîêàçûâàåò îòñóòñòâèå ýòîãî ÿâëåíèÿ.  òî æå âðåìÿ íåëüçÿ èãíîðèðîâàòü áîëüøîå ÷èñëî èññëåäîâàíèé, â êîòîðûõ ýòî ÿâëåíèå äîêàçàíî. Ïîêà íèêòî íå îáúÿñíèë, ïî÷åìó ðàçíûå èññëåäîâàòåëè ïîëó÷àþò ðàçíûå äàííûå. Ìîè ñîáñòâåííûå, ÷èñòî ñïåêóëÿòèâíûå, ïðåäïîëîæåíèÿ: â ðàçíûõ ðàáîòàõ èñïîëüçîâàëèñü ðàçíûå êóëüòóðû ñ íàñëåäñòâåííî ðàçíûìè ñâîéñòâàìè òðèõîìîíàä. Âåðîÿòíî, òðèõîìîíàäû îäíèõ ëèíèé ïîä âîçäåéñòâèåì ýòèõ áàêòåðèé ñïîñîáíû ïðîïóñêàòü èõ â öèòîïëàçìó (è íå ïðîñòî ïðîïóñêàòü, à åùå è îáðàçîâûâàòü âîêðóã íèõ ñïåöèàëüíóþ çàùèòíóþ ìåìáðàíó), à äðóãèå íåò. Âîçìîæíàÿ àíàëîãèÿ: ëþäè - íîñèòåëè îïðåäåëåííûõ ãåíîâ â ãåòåðîçèãîòå (â ãîìîçèãîòå - ñìåðòåëüíûå áîëåçíè êðîâè) èìåþò ýðèòîöèòû ñ ìåìáðàíîé, óñòîé÷èâîé ê âîçäåéñòâèþ ìàëÿðèéíîãî ïëàçìîäèÿ è ïîýòîìó íåñïîñîáíûå ê èíäóöèðîâàííîìó ôàãîöèòîçó. Ïîýòîìó îíè íå áîëåþò ìàëÿðèåé.

Ïî ïîâîäó àìåáîèäíûõ òðèõîìîíàä ÿ íàïèñàëà â ðàçäåëå "Ëàáîðàòîðíûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ" - áûëî ïðåäëîæåíèå îáñóæäàòü ýòó ïðîáëåìó òàì.
  #39  
Ñòàðûé 22.09.2005, 11:11
Àâàòàð äëÿ microveda
microveda microveda âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 22.02.2005
Ãîðîä: ...
Ñîîáùåíèé: 291
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 3 ðàç(à) çà 3 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 5
microveda ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåmicroveda ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåmicroveda ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåmicroveda ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ß â ñâîå âðåìÿ îòñíÿë ìèêðîâèäåîðîëèê ïîäîáíîãî "ïîåäàíèÿ". Òðèõîìîíàäû âåðòÿò æãóòèêàìè òàê, ÷òî ñîçäàåòñÿ äâèæåíèå æèäêîñòè íà ïîäîáèå âîðîíêè. Áëèçêî íàõîäÿùèõñÿ áàêòåðèé ïðÿìî "çàñàñûâàåò" â òàêóþ âîðîíêó. Ìíîãèì áàêòåðèÿì, êîíå÷íî, óäàåòñÿ âûðâàòüñÿ èç ýòîãî "âîäîâîðîòà", íî íåêîòîðûå ïîïàäàþò âîâíóòðü . Î÷åíü ÷àñòî ïîòîì èõ âèäíî âíóòðè öèòîïëàçìû òðèõîìîíàä.
  #40  
Ñòàðûé 08.11.2005, 22:07
N@din N@din âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 30.01.2004
Ñîîáùåíèé: 16
N@din *
Çàøëà ñïåöèàëüíî îòìåòèòüñÿ. Ñäàëà åùå ðàç àíàëèçû. Âñå ÷èñòî! Óðà! Ò.å. è íàòèâíûé ìàçîê íå ïîêàçàë òðèõîìîíàä è ÏÖÐ òîæå íå íàøåë íå èõ íå õëàìèäèé. À áûë ëè ìàëü÷èê?

Ãëàâíîå, ÷òî âñå, ê ñ÷àñòüþ, ïîçàäè. Âñåì áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî çà îòêëèêè!
  #41  
Ñòàðûé 13.11.2005, 15:40
Rood
Ãîñòü
 
Ñîîáùåíèé: n/a
Çäðàâñòâóéòå. Ïîìîãèòå ïîæàëóéñòà! Ïîñòàâèëè äèàãíîç òðèõîìîíèàç. Âðà÷ íàçíà÷èë ëå÷åíèå: öèêëîôåðîí, òèáåðàë, ôëóêîíàçîë, òðèïñèí. Ïðèîáðåë ýòè ëåêàðñòâà, íî â îïèñàíèè ê òèáåðàëó íàïèñàíî ñëåäóùåå:

Ïðîòèâîïîêàçàíèÿ:
Ãèïåð÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòü, áåðåìåííîñòü (I òðèìåñòð), ïåðèîä ëàêòàöèè, çàáîëåâàíèÿ ÖÍÑ.

Ïîáî÷íûå äåéñòâèÿ:
Ãîëîâíàÿ áîëü, ãîëîâîêðóæåíèå, íàðóøåíèå ñîçíàíèÿ, òðåìîð, ðèãèäíîñòü, äèñêîîðäèíàöèÿ äâèæåíèé, ñóäîðîãè, ñåíñîðíàÿ èëè ñìåøàííàÿ ïåðèôåðè÷åñêàÿ íåâðîïàòèÿ, òîøíîòà, ðâîòà, äèàðåÿ.Ïåðåäîçèðîâêà. Ñèìïòîìû: ýïèëåïòèôîðìíûå ñóäîðîãè, äåïðåññèÿ, ïåðèôåðè÷åñêèé íåâðèò. Ëå÷åíèå: ñèìïòîìàòè÷åñêîå (äèàçåïàì - ïðè ñóäîðîãàõ).


4 ãîäà íàçàä ó ìåíÿ áûëà ñåðüåçíàÿ ×ÌÒ. Áûëà îïàñíîñòü ñóäîðîã è ÿ äîëãîå âðåìÿ ïðèíèìàë ïðîòèâîñóäîðîæíûå ïðåïàðàòû. Âîò óæå äâà ãîäà íè÷åãî íå áåñïîêîèëî. Òåïåðü áîþñü ÷òî èç-çà òèáåðàëà ìîãóò íà÷àòüñÿ ñóäîðîãè. ×òî äåëàòü? Ìîæíî ëè â òàêîé ñèòóàöèè ïðèíèìàòü òèáåðàë?
  #42  
Ñòàðûé 13.11.2005, 15:57
Àâàòàð äëÿ dr_medvedev
dr_medvedev dr_medvedev âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.07.2004
Ãîðîä: Óêðàèíà, Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,367
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1 ðàç çà 1 ñîîáùåíèå
dr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr_medvedev ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ëó÷øå ïîñîâåòóéòåñü ïðåäâàðèòåëüíî ñ íåâðîïàòîëîãîì. Âîçìîæíî îí íàçíà÷èò ïðåâåíòèâíîå ëå÷åíèå (ôèíëåïñèí èëè ÷òî-ëèáî äðóãîå)
  #43  
Ñòàðûé 11.11.2006, 15:27
TH-pain TH-pain âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
Ñåðôåð
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 03.11.2006
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Ñòàðûé 11.11.2006, 15:45
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Ñîîáùåíèå îò TH-pain
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Ñòàðûé 11.11.2006, 15:48
TH-pain TH-pain âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
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