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Âîçìîæíà ãèïîòåòè÷åñêàÿ æåíùèíà, êîòîðàÿ íå æåëàåò ïîäâåðãàòüñÿ ïðîöåäóðå ñòåðèëèçàöèè. ×òî îæèäàåò åå?
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Nu, vidimo mne eti secreti neizvestni... Neredko prikhodistay videt' zhenshin, kotoriye otkazivayutsya ot sterilizazii posle tretyego cesareva secheniya dahze posle dlitel'nogo konsul'tirovaniya. Esli "posekretu" perevyazat' im trubi, to mozhno potom srazu sobirat' veshichki i idti sdavatsya, legko mozhet i tur'moi zakonchitsya esli eto priznayut "assault and battery" kak mnogie operazii bes soglasiya bol'noi.
Konechno, VBAC ne dlya vseh. No esli zhenshina planiryet bolshe 3 detei, to u VBAC est' preimushestva. |
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I am sorry, I didn't mean to upset you. But this is the whole idea of this forum - to discuss and learn from each other. We might have different opinions and experience, and sometimes there is more than one wright answer. But if you don't want to dicsuss something it is totally up to you.
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Ê ñîæàëåíèþ ÿ ïîâòîðÿþñü-âñå ïîçíàåòñÿ ïóòåì ñðàâíåíèÿ è ,ðàáîòàÿ äîìà ïî óñòàíîâêàì , ÿ äóìàëà,÷òî ýòî ïðàâèëüíî è åäèíñòâåííî ïðèåìëåìî.Íî ,ê ñ÷àñòüþ,ñåé÷àñ èìåþ âîçìîæíîñòü îáùàòüñÿ íà ïðàêòèêå ñ âðà÷àìè èç ðàçíûõ ñòðàí è óäèâëÿþñü íåêîòîðûì ïîçèöèàì â àêóøåðñòâå,êîòîðûå íåêîãäà ñ÷èòàëà åäèíñòâåííî âåðíûìè!Êàê ìíîãî ìû äåëàåì äîìà ïåðåñòðàõîâîê!
Åñëè ÷åñòíî,òî çäåñü ÿ îïåðèðîâàëà 5!!! êåñàðåâîãî-âñå äåòè æèâû è òðóáû íå ïåðåâÿçûâàëè-ïî ïðîñüáå ìóæà!!!Åäèíñòâåííàÿ ñëîæíîñòü,ïî áîëüøîìó ñ÷åòó ýòî ìî÷åâîé ïóçûðü-èíîé ðàç îí ïðîñòî"íàøèò" íà ìàòêó è îñíîâíàÿ ñëîæíîñòü çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â ïðàâèëüíîì îòñåïàðîâûâàíèè åãî îò ìàòêè è âåäåíèå ïîñëåîïåðàöèîííîãî ïåðèîäà-êàòåòåð íà áîëåå äëèòåëüíîå âðåìÿ!À òàê-ïóñòü íà ýòîì ñâåòå êàê ìîæíî áîëüøå ðîæäàåòñÿ äåòîê-è ÷åðíûõ-íåãðåòÿòà ïðîñòî ïðåëåñòü ìàëåíüêèå,è áåëûõ!!! |
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Ìû íå ìîæåì ïðåäàâàòü íàøèõ áîëüíûõ ...
Äâåðè èçáóøêè äàâíî îòêðûëèñü...
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Ìû ÌÎÆÅÌ íå ïðåäàâàòü íàøèõ áîëüíûõ?
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Äà...Òàê òî÷íåå- òîëüêî âñå ðàâíî íå âñåãäà ïðîñòî..
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Íó âîò ìíå ïî âîïðîñó ïîïàëñÿ òàêîé ìàòåðèàëü÷èê íó, êàê ãîâîðèòñÿ, äëÿ òåõ, êòî âñå ñ÷èòàåò
Clinical Question Which patients with a previous cesarean section will have a successful vaginal birth after a cesarean birth (VBAC)? Population and Setting Population studied The authors collected data on consecutive women in the Kaiser Permanente health system who had a trial of labor and a previous cesarean section. It was a diverse group of women: 3S% were White, 37% Hispanic, 15% Black, and 10% from other ethnic groups. More than 95% were under age 40. Study Size The Ira in ing group had 2502 patients, and the score was validated in a group of 2501 patients. Pretest Probability Altogether, 74.9% had a successful labor and delivered vaginally. Type of Validation Grade II: The validation group was a separate sample from the same population, with data for the validation group gathered prospectively. Comments This is a well designed rule. The major limitation of the study design is the fact that data were abstracted from the medical record. However, the data elements should have been easily available in the record, and details of the data abstraction and framing process of the absfractor are given. Reference Flamm BL, Geiger AM. Vaginal birth after cesarean delivery: an admission scoring system. Obstet Gynecol 1997;90:907-910. Clinical Prediction Rule [Èçîáðàæåíèÿ äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì] Íó âîò, òåïåðü ìîæíî ïîñ÷èòàòü âåðîÿòíîñòü |
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Primerno tak mi i konsultiruem beremennih. Krome togo imeyut znacheniye:
1. Indication for previous cesarean section: chances of success are lower if it was done for failure to progress in labor, and higher in case of non-reassuring fetal status, breech presentation, and other non-recurrent indications. 2. Fetal size - chances are lower in case of suspected macrosomia. 3. Gestational diabetis - chances are lower. Also, you have to consider previous uterine scar - in case of classical cesaren section risk of rupture is about 10%, we don't recommend to labor; low vertical incision - about 5 %, for low uterine transverse - about 1,5-2%. Looks like we've got it all covered. |
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ß æèâó è ðàáîòàþ â Óêðàèíå. Ó íàñ â ðÿäå ñëó÷àåâ ïðàêòèêóåòñÿ VBAC.
Òàê, ÷òî âñå çàâèñèò îò âðà÷à, à íå îò òîãî ãäå îí æèâåò. |