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  #1  
Ñòàðûé 03.07.2012, 22:46
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Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
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Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íóæíî ëè ëå÷èòü òèðîêñèíîì ïîâûøåííûé ÒÒÃ?

Íàòêíóëñÿ íà òàêóþ ñòàòüþ, êîòîðóþ õîòåëîñü áû îáñóäèòü ñ êîëëåãàìè-ýíäîêðèíîëîãàìè:

âñåãäà ëè ôàêò îáíàðóæåíèÿ ïîâûøåííîãî ÒÒà ó çäîðîâîãî ÷åëîâåêà áåç êëèíè÷åñêèõ ïðîÿâëåíèé ñ íîðìàëüíûì óðîâíåì Ò3 è Ò4 ïîäëåæèò êîððåêöèè òèðîêñèíîì?

Int J Clin Pract. 2010 Jun;64(7):991-4.
Thyroid hormone replacement: an iatrogenic problem.
O'Reilly DS.
Department of Clinical Biochemistry, Royal Infirmary, Glasgow, UK.


Thyroid hormone replacement is one of the very few medical treatments devised in the 19th century that still survive. It is safe, very effective and hailed as a major success by patients and clinicians. Currently, it is arguably the most contentious issue in clinical endocrinology. The current controversy and patient disquiet began in the early 1970s, when on theoretical grounds and without proper assessment, the serum thyrotropin (TSH) concentration was adopted as the means of assessing the adequacy of thyroxine replacement. The published literature shows that the serum TSH concentration is a poor indicator of clinical status in patients on thyroxine. The adequacy of thyroxine replacement should be assessed clinically with the serum T3 being measured, when required, to detect over-replacement.

îáçîð íàïèñàí ñïåöèàëèñòîì ëàáîðàòîðíîé äèàãíîñòèêè, êîòîðûé àíàëèçèðóåò èìåþùèéñÿ ýâèäåíñ, è ïðèõîäèò ê âûâîäó, ÷òî:

Message for the Clinic
• It has never been demonstrated that patients on thyroxine replacement are clinically euthyroid when their TSH is within the reference range.
• Patients should be given sufficient thyroxine to render them clinically euthyroid, while maintaining their serum T3 concentration within the reference range.
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  #2  
Ñòàðûé 03.07.2012, 23:18
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,313
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,197 ðàç(à) çà 31,547 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
äðóãàÿ ïóáëèêàöèÿ èç ÑØÀ òàêæå ãîâîðèò, ÷òî ïðè ñðàâíåíèè 2 âðåìåííûõ ïåðèîäîâ ïàöèåíòû áîëåå ÷àùå ñòàëè ïðåáûâàòü â ñîñòîÿíèè ÿòðîãåííîãî ãèïåðòèðîçà (êàæäûé òðåòèé)

J Am Board Fam Pract. 1995 Nov-Dec;8(6):435-9.
Excessive thyroid hormone replacement therapy.
Nuovo J, Ellsworth A, Christensen DB, Reynolds R.
Department of Family Practice, School of Medicine, University of California, Davis, USA.

BACKGROUND: Excessive thyroid hormone replacement carries the potential for serious long-term metabolic complications (e.g., accelerated osteoporosis). The increased bioavailability of commercially available products, along with improved laboratory assays for measuring thyrotropin (TSH), has led to an increased chance of actual or detected iatrogenic hyperthyroxinemia. The purpose of this study was to determine the frequency of excessive prescribing and to examine the impact of changes in potency of replacement thyroid hormone formulations and sensitivity of thyroid function tests on its incidence.
METHODS: A retrospective chart review was done of patients requiring thyroid hormone replacement therapy treated at a university-based, family medicine residency training program. The following information was extracted from each chart: specific thyroid medication (including dose and date of onset of therapy) and thyroid laboratory tests results (including serum thyroxine [T4] and TSH). This information from two different time periods (1975 to 1981 and 1982 to 1989) was compared using one-way analysis of variance.
RESULTS: Serum T4 levels were not significantly different between the two time periods, 1975 to 1981 and 1982 to 1989 (8.06 +/- 2.93 micrograms/dl versus 9.0 +/- 03.69 micrograms/dl; NS), despite significant changes in TS serum levels (23.6 +/- 38.9 mIU/mL versus 7.44 +/- 18.7 mIU/ml; P = 0.009) and levothyroxine dosage (184 +/- 59.6 micrograms/d versus 145 +/- 64.1 micrograms/d; P = 0.002). Significantly more patients had low (supersuppressed) TSH levels between 1982 and 1990 than between 1975 and 1981 (33 percent versus 10 percent; P = 0.02.)
CONCLUSIONS: Excessive thyroid hormone replacement with iatrogenic hyperthyroxinemia is a common occurrence. Clinicians need to be aware of this problem and implement measures (e.g., periodic monitoring of TSH) to minimize the occurrence of overdosing and the potential for long-term complications.
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Ñòàðûé 04.07.2012, 09:28
Àâàòàð äëÿ FilippovaYulia
FilippovaYulia FilippovaYulia âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
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Ñïàñèáî. Òàê î òîì âñåãäà è ãîâîðèì - ëå÷èòü íå îáÿçàòåëüíî.
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Ñòàðûé 05.07.2012, 19:40
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,313
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,197 ðàç(à) çà 31,547 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íåäàâíÿÿ ïóáëèêàöèÿ ñóììèðóåò èìåþùèéñÿ ýâèäåíñ, êàê âûÿâëÿòü/ïîäòâåðæäàòü íàëè÷èå ìàêðî-ÒÒÃ: êîíüþãàòà ìåæäó ÒÒà è èììóíîãëîáóëèíîì, âûçûâàþùèì ëîæíî çàâûøåííûå çíà÷åíèÿ ÒÒà â îòñóòñòâèå ãèïîòèðîçà

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2012 Jun;97(6):1823-8.
Macro-thyrotropin: a case report and review of literature.
Loh TP, Kao SL, Halsall DJ, Toh SA, Chan E, Ho SC, Tai ES, Khoo CM.


Isolated elevation of TSH in the absence of thyroid symptoms can be very rarely caused by a macromolecule formed between TSH and Ig (macro-TSH), confounding the interpretation of thyroid function test results. Objective: We described the use of several commonly available laboratory-based approaches to investigate an isolated TSH elevation [232 mIU/liter; free T(4), 10 pmol/liter (reference interval, 10.0-23.0 pmol/liter), Vitros platform] in a clinically euthyroid elderly gentleman, which led to the diagnosis of macro-TSH.
Methods and Results: TSH concentration of the patient was significantly lower (122 mIU/liter) when measured on the Advia Centaur platform. Serial dilution of the patient's sample showed a nonlinear increase in TSH recovery at increasing dilution (nonlinearity). Polyethylene glycol precipitation and mixing the patient's sample with a hypothyroid patient sample showed reduced TSH recovery, suggesting the presence of a high molecular weight interfering substance and excess TSH binding capacity, respectively. Heterophile blocking tube studies and rheumatoid factors were negative. Gel filtration chromatography demonstrated a TSH peak fraction that approximated the molecular size of IgG; together with the excess TSH binding capacity, this indicated the presence of TSH-IgG macro-TSH. A review of 12 macro-TSH case reports showed that samples with macro-TSH produce over-recovery with dilution, return negative results on anti-animal and anti-heterophile blocking studies, and commonly have recovery of less than 20% when subjected to polyethylene glycol precipitation.
Conclusion: Macro-TSH is an underrecognized laboratory interference. Routine laboratory techniques described above can help diagnose this rare entity. A close dialogue between the physician and the laboratory is important in approaching such cases.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
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Ñòàðûé 05.07.2012, 22:16
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,313
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,197 ðàç(à) çà 31,547 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ðåâìàòîèäíûé ôàêòîð (íàðàâíå ñ ãåòåðîôèëüíûìè àíòèòåëàìè) òàêæå ìîæåò ñòàòü ïðè÷èíîé ëîæíîçàâûøåííîãî ÒÒà è ïðèâåñòè ê ÿòðîãåííîìó ãèïåðòèðîçó:

Clin Chem Lab Med. 2011 May;49(5):873-5.
Thyroxin overdose due to rheumatoid factor interferences in thyroid-stimulating hormone assays.
Georges A, Charrié A, Raynaud S, Lombard C, Corcuff JB.
Department of Nuclear Medicine, University Hospital and University Bordeaux, Pessac, France.


BACKGROUND: Immunoassays are susceptible to interferences by anti-hormone antibodies, heterophilic antibodies or rheumatoid factor (RF).

METHODS: We report a case of levothyroxin overdose because of gross overestimation of thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) by chemiluminescent and IRMA assays. Alternate assays were performed and heterophilic antibodies blocking tubes were used.

RESULTS: Analytical investigations revealed: i) non-linear concentrations of TSH after serum dilutions, ii) decreased TSH concentrations after removal of heterophilic antibodies, iii) appropriately decreased TSH concentrations in alternate TSH assays and iv) identification of increased concentrations of RF.

CONCLUSIONS: The presence of RF may be responsible for false determination of TSH concentrations preventing monitoring of TSH.
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Ñòàðûé 11.07.2012, 22:36
Palozyan Palozyan âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 41
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×òî êàñàåòñÿ ìîåãî ìíåíèÿ:
1. Ïîâûøåííûé ÒÒà ïðè íîðìàëüíûõ Ò3 è Ò4 îôèöèàëüíî â ìåäèöèíå íàçûâàåòñÿ "ñóáêëèíè÷åñêèé ãèïîòèðåîç"
Íàñêîëüêî ìíå èçâåñòåí ìåæäóíàðîäíûé êîíñåíñóñ ïî ñóáêëèí.ãèïîòèðåîçó, òî ëå÷åíèå ïðîâîäèòñÿ ïðåïàðàòàìè éîäà (éîäîìàðèí è åìó ïîäîáíûå)...
Ýòî ñîñòîÿíèå äîâîëüíî ÷àñòî ñðåäè ïîäðîñòêîâ, è íà ìîé âçãëÿä éîäîìàðèíà òàì âïîëíå õâàòàåò (!)
2. ×òî êàñàåìî îïûòà ëå÷åíèÿ ÀÈÒ ðàçíûìè äîêòîðàìè, ïðè êîòîðîì òîæå ÷àñòî ìîæåò íàáëþäàòüñÿ ñóáêë.ãèïîòèðåîç, òî íàñêîëüêî ìíå èçâåñòíî, áîëüøèíñòâî âðà÷åé ñ÷èòàþò ïðèìåíåíèå ïðåïàðàòîâ éîäà íåïðàâèëüíûì, ÷òî îíè "êóïèðóþò" äåÿòåëüíîñòü ñîáñòâåííîé æåëåçû, âûçûâàþò åå åùå áÎëüøåå óïëîòíåíèå, à ïîñåìó (âîïðåêè òîæå ìåæäóíàð.êîíñåíñóñó) ïðåäïî÷èòàþò â äàííîé ñèòóàöèè (îñîáåííî ïðè íàëè÷èè óçëîâ è óçåëêîâ) ïðèìåíåíèå òèðîêñèíà...

Òîæå ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì ïîñëóøàþ ìíåíèå äðóãèõ îïûòíûõ êîëëåã
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 11.07.2012, 22:59
Àâàòàð äëÿ FilippovaYulia
FilippovaYulia FilippovaYulia âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 30.01.2011
Ãîðîä: Âîëãîãðàä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15,437
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 17
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,375 ðàç(à) çà 6,131 ñîîáùåíèé
FilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ì-äà, îïÿòü "âñå ñìåøàëîñü â äîìå Îáëîíñêèõ" (ñ)
Éîäèä êàëèÿ íèãäå è íèêîãäà íå íàçûâàëñÿ - è íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ - ïðåïàðàòîì äëÿ ËÅ×ÅÍÈß ëþáîãî âèäà ãèïîòèðîçà. Äàæå ñóáêëèíè÷åñêîãî. Âîçìîæíîñòü ñïîíòàííîé ðåìèññèè (íîðìàëèçàöèè ÒÒÃ) ïðè ñóáêëèíè÷åñêîì ãèïîòèðîçå íå çàâèñèò îò ïðèåìà éîäèäà êàëèÿ. Éîäèä êàëèÿ â ôèçèîëîãè÷åñêèõ äîçàõ íå èìååò íèêàêîãî îòðèöàòåëüíîãî âëèÿíèÿ íà ÀÈÒ - è ÍÅ ïðîòèâîïîêàçàí ïðè ÀÈÒ. Õîòÿ è áåñïîëåçåí.
Ïðèìåíåíèå òèðîêñèíà ïðè ÀÈÒ âíå ãèïîòèðîçà è âíå çíà÷èòåëüíîãî óâåëè÷åíèÿ òèðîèäíîãî îáúåìà â ñîâðåìåííîé òèðîèäîëîãèè íå ïðèçíàåòñÿ.
Öèòàòà:
×òî êàñàåìî îïûòà ëå÷åíèÿ ÀÈÒ ðàçíûìè äîêòîðàìè,
À ÷òî òàì âîîáùå â ÀÈÒ íàäî ëå÷èòü, êðîìå çàìåñòèòåëüíîé òåðàïèè ãèïîòèðîçà?..
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 11.07.2012, 23:09
Palozyan Palozyan âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.04.2012
Ãîðîä: Åðåâàí
Ñîîáùåíèé: 41
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 5
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 3 ðàç(à) çà 3 ñîîáùåíèé
Palozyan *
Òîãäà êàêîé ñìûñë èìååò âîîáùå ñòàâèòü äèàãíîç "ñóáêëèíè÷åñêèé ãèïîòèðåîç"?
È äëÿ êîãî ïðèäóìàíû ìåæäóíàðîäíûå êîíñåíñóñû ñ ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèìè ðåêîìåíäàöèÿìè???
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 11.07.2012, 23:20
Àâàòàð äëÿ FilippovaYulia
FilippovaYulia FilippovaYulia âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 30.01.2011
Ãîðîä: Âîëãîãðàä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15,437
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 17
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,375 ðàç(à) çà 6,131 ñîîáùåíèé
FilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Èìåííî äèàãíîç ñóáêëèíè÷åñêèé ãèïîòèðîç êàê ðàç è èìååò ñìûñë - â îòëè÷èå îò äèàãíîçà ÀÈÒ (êîòîðûé íå èìååò ñìûñëà âíå ãèïîòèðîçà è âäâîéíå íå èìååò ñìûñëà ïðè íàëè÷èè îíîãî). Ñìûñë â òîì. ÷òî ýòî ñîñòîÿíèå êîòîðîå òðåáóåò îáÿçàòåëüíîé êîððåêöèè â îïðåäåëåííûõ ñèòóàöèÿõ (ïëàíèðîâàíèå áåðåìåííîñòè), ëå÷åíèÿ â îïðåäåëåííûõ âîçðàñòíûõ ãðóïïàõ è ïðè îïðåäåëåííûõ ñîïóòñòâóþùèõ ïîêàçàíèÿõ (÷åì ñòàðøå - òåì áîëüøå ñìûñëà ëå÷èòü; åñëè åñòü ñèìïòîìàòèêà - ìîæíî ïîëå÷èòü; åñëè èìååþòñÿ íàðóøåíèÿ ëèïèäíîãî ñïåêòðà - ëó÷øå ëå÷èòü, ïðè äåïðåññèè... íó è òàê äàëåå. Ñòàòåé íà ýòó òåìó îãðîìíîå ìíîæåñòâî - êîìó è â êàêèõ ñèòóàöèÿõ ëó÷øå äàòü òèðîêñèí. ÷åì íå äàòü) - è ýòî ñîñòîÿíèå, êîòîðîå òðåáóåò êîíòðîëÿ. èáî ëèöà ñ ñóáêëèíè÷åñêèì ãèïîòèðîçîì ÷àùå, ÷åì â ïîïóëÿöèè, ïîëó÷àò ãèïîòèðîç ÿâíûé.
È ïðî÷èòàéòå ìåæäóíàðîäíûå êîíñåíñóñû âíèìàòåëüíåå - ðå÷ü ìîæåò èäòè î éîäîïðîôèëàêòèêå, î ÄÎÏÓÑÒÈÌÎÑÒÈ ïîëó÷åíèÿ ïðåïàðàòîâ éîäà (òî åñòü íå âðåäíû) - íî íèêàê íå î ËÅ×ÅÍÈÈ ïðåïàðàòàìè éîäà ãèïîòèðîçà è ÀÈÒà.
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