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Ñòàðûé 30.10.2013, 11:57
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Îæèäàþòñÿ íîâûå ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî äèàãíîñòèêå ÑÏÊß

 äåêàáðüñêîì íîìåðå JCEM äîëæíû áûòü îïóáëèêîâàíû ðåêîìåíäàöèè TES ïî äèàãíîñòèêå è ëå÷åíèþ ÑÏÊß, ïîääåðæèâàþùèå èñïîëüçîâàíèå Ðîòòåðäàìñêèõ êðèòåðèåâ äèàãíîñòèêè.
Ïîêà îáóáëèêîâàíû ñëåäóþùèå âûäåðæêè ([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]):

Öèòàòà:
In the CPG, The Endocrine Society recommends that a diagnosis be made if adult women have two of the three cardinal features of PCOS (diagnostic criteria supported by the NIH panel):
Excess production of male hormones called androgens.
Anovulation, a condition where the ovary does not release a mature egg each month. This causes irregular menstrual cycles.
The formation of clusters of pearl-size cysts containing immature eggs in the ovaries, which is called polycystic ovaries.

Other recommendations from the CPG include:
Because women with PCOS face an increased risk of pregnancy complications such as gestational diabetes, preterm delivery and preeclampsia that can be exacerbated by obesity, women should have their body mass index, blood pressure and oral glucose tolerance assessed prior to conceiving;
Following diagnosis, women with PCOS should be examined for skin and hair complications including excess hair growth and acne;
Although women with PCOS have some of the same risk factors associated with the development of endometrial cancer, they should not routinely undergo ultrasound screening for endometrial thickness;
To gauge metabolic risk, adolescents and adult women with PCOS should be screened for increased obesity using body mass index and waist circumference measurements;
Clinicians should give adolescents and adult women with PCOS an oral glucose tolerance test to check for type 2 diabetes or impaired glucose tolerance because they are at increased risk of these conditions; and
Initial treatment of type 2 diabetes or impaired glucose tolerance in women with PCOS should be diet and exercise, with metformin as a second-line therapy.
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Áóäåì æäàòü ß ïîêà èçó÷àþ 2012 äåêàáðü

Consensus on women’s health aspects of polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS): the Amsterdam ESHRE/ ASRM-Sponsored 3rd PCOS Consensus Workshop Group
Öèòàòà:
ADOLESCENCE
 Criteria for the diagnosis of PCOS in adolescents differ from those used for older women of reproductive age (level B).
 Groups at risk (e.g., obese, hirsute, irregular menses) should be identified, but physicians should be cautious of overdiagnosing PCOS (level B).
 Individual PCOS manifestations in adolescents (e.g., obe- sity, hirsutism, irregular menses) (level B) should be treated.

HIRSUTISM/ACNE/ALOPECIA
 Hirsutism, considering ethnic differences, is a good marker for hyperandrogenism (level B).
 Isolated acne and alopecia are not necessarily related to and are not good markers for hyperandrogenism (level B).
 Hirsutism should be evaluated biochemically (level B).
 Prolonged (>6 months) medical therapy for hirsutism is necessary to document effectiveness (level B).
 Many drugs used for the treatment of hirsutism are not ap- proved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for this indication (GPP).
 No effective treatment for alopecia is known (level B).
 Antiandrogens should not be used without effective contraception (level B).
 Flutamideisoflimitedvaluebecauseofitsdose-dependent hepatotoxicity (level B).
 Drospirenone in the dosage used in some OCPs is not anti-androgenic (level B).

MENSTRUAL IRREGULARITY
 Both amenorrheic and oligomenorrheic women may occasionally ovulate (level B).
 Menstrual cycles in women with PCOS may become more regular later in life (level B).
 Irregular menses are associated with increased metabolic risk (level B).
 The greater the menstrual irregularity, the more severe the PCOS phenotype (level B).

CONTRACEPTION
 Overall, the benefits of OCPs outweigh the risks in most patients with PCOS (level B).
 Women with PCOS are more likely to have contraindica- tions for OCP use than normal women (level C).
 Intheabsenceofotherriskfactors,thereisnoevidenceth at women with PCOS are at increased risk with OCPs com- pared with normal women (level C).
 There is no evidence for differences in effectiveness and risk among the various progestogens and when used in combination with a 20 versus a 30 mg daily dose of estrogen (level B).
 Subsequent fertility is not negatively affected by OCPs (level C).
 There is no definitive evidence that the type of OCP deter- mines efficacy of hirsutism control (level C).

QUALITY OF LIFE
 There is evidence of increased prevalence of psychological disorders in women with PCOS (level B).
 Psychological issues should be considered in all women with PCOS because of evidence suggesting increased prev- alence and associated comorbidities (level C).
 It is unclear if this increased prevalence is due to the disorder itself or its manifestations (e.g., obesity, hirsutism, irregular menses, infertility) (level C).
 Based on the consultation and the patient’s perception of her problems, appropriate counseling and intervention should be offered (level C).

PREGNANCY
 Women with PCOS who desire a pregnancy may be at in- creased risk for adverse pregnancy outcomes, and this may be exacerbated by obesity and/or insulin resistance (level B).
 Health should be optimized before conception, with advice about smoking cessation, lifestyle, diet, and appropriate vi- tamin supplementation (e.g., folic acid) (GPP).
 Miscarriage rates are not increased in natural conceptions in women with PCOS, independent of obesity. Miscarriage rates after induction of ovulation mirror those found in other infertile populations (level A).
 WomenwithPCOSshouldbeobservedcloselyduringpreg- nancy as they may be at increased risk for the development of GDM, gestational hypertension, and associated complications (level B).
 Pregnancy-associated risks are greater in women diag- nosed by more classic (NIH) criteria as opposed to nonhy- perandrogenic women (level B).
Babies born from women with PCOS may have increased morbidity and mortality (level B).
 There is no evidence for improved live-birth rates or decreased pregnancy complications with the use of metfor- min either before conception or during pregnancy (level A).

ETHNIC DIFFERENCES IN THE PHENOTYPE
 Ethnic origin and culture contribute to the differing mani- festations of PCOS (level B).
 Ethnically appropriate thresholds are required for identify- ing anthropometric cutoffs for appropriate metabolic screening in high-risk ethnic groups (level B).

OBESITY
 The prevalence of obesity is increasing and has an impor- tant bearing on the phenotype of PCOS (level B).
 Some studies suggest that higher BMI is associated with a greater prevalence of menstrual irregularity, hyperandro- genemia, and hirsutism, but more studies are required to confirm this (level B).
 Increased BMI and visceral adiposity are associated with greater insulin resistance as in the general population, but its effect on menstrual irregularity and hirsutism re- main unclear (level B).
 Lifestyle management results in weight loss and improves surrogate markers of metabolic disease/syndrome (level A).

INSULIN RESISTANCE AND THE METABOLIC SYNDROME (METS)
 Metabolic disorders associated with PCOS are major predictors of prediabetes, diabetes, and MetS in reproductive-age women (level B).
 Patients with MetS are an important clinical subset of women with PCOS (level B).
 Not all PCOS phenotypes have similar metabolic risk. The combination of hyperandrogenemia and oligomenorrhea signifies the most at-risk group (level B).
 It is critical for public health and for optimum design of long-term studies to stratify women with PCOS according to metabolic risk. This goal would be greatly facilitated by using a specific name for this high metabolic risk PCOS subset (GPP).

TYPE 2 DIABETES (T2D)
 PCOS is a major risk factor for developing IGT and T2D (level A).
 Obesity (by amplifying insulin resistance) is an exacerbat- ing factor in the development of IGT and T2D in PCOS (level A).
 The increasing prevalence of obesity in the population suggests that a further increase in diabetes in PCOS is to be expected (level B).
 Screening for IGT and T2D should be performed by OGTT (75 g, 0- and 2-hour values). There is no utility for measur- ing insulin in most cases (level C).
 Screening should be performed in the following conditions: hyperandrogenism with anovulation, acanthosis nigricans, obesity (BMI >30 kg/m2, or >25 in Asian populations), in women with a family history of T2D or GDM (level C).
 Diet and lifestyle are first choice for improving fertility and prevention of diabetes (level B).
 Metformin may be used for IGT and T2D (level A). Avoid use of other insulin sensitizing agents such as thiazolidine- diones (GPP).

CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE MARKERS

PCOS at any age is characterized by greater odds for ele- vated CVD risk markers. Elevated markers occur without obesity and are magnified with obesity (level B). Dyslipidemia, IGT, and T2D (classic risk indicators of ath- erosclerosis and CVD) are more prevalent in women with PCOS, even when weight matched with normal control women (level B). Altered level softriglycerides,HDL,LDL,andnon-HDL(reflecting altered ApoB/ApoA metabolism) are prevalent in women with PCOS and are more severe in hyperandrogenic women (level B).
Non-HDL cholesterol and waist measurement appear to be the best clinical indicators of elevated CVD risk (level C). All markers reflect a greater magnitude of risk when women are diagnosed using NIH criteria (including hyperandrogenism) compared with the Rotterdam criteria (level B).
Depression and anxiety, major risk factors for CVD, are common in women with PCOS (level B).
The recommended CVD risk assessment at any age is for psychosocial stress, blood pressure, glucose, lipid profile (cholesterol, triglycerides, HDL, LDL, and non-HDL cholesterol), waist circumference, physical activity, nutri-
tion, and smoking (level C).
 Because CVD risk increases with age and accompanying
additive environmental insults, periodic reassessment for CVD risk is recommended (GPP).

CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE OUTCOMES
 Life-long metabolic dysfunction in women with PCOS ex- aggerates CVD risk, causing a possible increase in CVD events with age, especially after menopause (level B).
 All surrogate markers of cardiovascular risk are higher in PCOS (adjusted for age and BMI), but the association of these markers with cardiovascular events in PCOS remains unclear (level B).
 Endothelial dysfunction in PCOS is related to abdominal obesity and insulin resistance (level B).
Coronary artery calcification and carotid intima media wall thickness are also increased in women with PCOS com- pared with matched controls (level B).
 Among nondiabetic postmenopausal women with intact ovaries, atherosclerotic CVD is associated with features of PCOS, such as relative androgen excess and a recalled his- tory of irregular menses (level B).

CANCER RISK
 There are moderate quality data to support that women with PCOS have a 2.7-fold (95% confidence interval [CI], 1.0–7.3) increased risk for endometrial cancer. Most endo- metrial cancers are well differentiated and have a good prognosis (level B).
 Limited data exist that do not support the conclusion that women with PCOS are at increased risk for ovarian cancer (level B).
Limited data exist that do not support the conclusion that women with PCOS are at increased risk for breast cancer (level B).

MENOPAUSE, GENERAL HEALTH
 Age may improve many manifestations of PCOS,including normalizing ovarian size and morphology, T levels, and oligo-ovulation before menopause (level B).

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[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Òîëüêî âîçíèê âîïðîñ: Hirsutism should be evaluated biochemically (level B) - ýòî ÷òî èìååòñÿ â âèäó? ß òàê ïîíÿëà, ÷òî ýòî íå øêàëà ÔÃ, à ëàáîðàòîðíûå ïîêàçàòåëè. À òîãäà êàêèå - îáðàòíî âîçâðàùàåìñÿ ê ïðîñòûíÿì íå ñâåðõ÷óâñòâèòåëüíûõ àíäðîãåíîâ?
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Àíäðîñòåíäèîí â äèàãíîñòèêå ÑÏÊß?

 ìàðòîâñêîì íîìåðå JCEM îïóáëèêîâàíû ðåçóëüòàòû èññëåäîâàíèÿ, ïîçâîëÿþùèå ïðåäïîëàãàòü ðîëü îïðåäåëåíèÿ àíäðîñòåíäèîíà â äèàãíîñòèêå áèîõèìè÷åñêîé ãèïåðàíäðîãåíèè ïðè ÑÏÊß:
Hyperandrogenemia Predicts Metabolic Phenotype in Polycystic Ovary Syndrome: The Utility of Serum Androstenedione ([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ])

Îñíîâíàÿ ìûñëü â èçëîæåíèè Brian G. Keevil (ñòàòüÿ How Do We Measure Hyperandrogenemia in Patients With PCOS? èç òîãî æå íîìåðà æóðíàëà):

Öèòàòà:
It has previously been reported that androstenedione (A) can be raised when T is normal in patients with hirsutism (3) and PCOS (4), but O’Reilly et al (2) now show that patients with high A and normal T concentrations have nearly as much risk for metabolic disease as those with a high T concentration alone. The results of this study raise concern that hyperandrogenemia may be missed if only T is measured.

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Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,275
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,622 ðàç(à) çà 32,696 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Miette Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè! Ìíå èíòåðåñíî, êàê áóäåò îïðåäåëÿòüñÿ àíäðîñòíåäèîí (îáùèé, â ïëàçìå, â ïåðèôåðè÷åñêèõ òêàíÿõ) è êàê áóäåò òîëêîâàòüñÿ ñîîòíîøåíèå àíäðîñòåíäèîí/òåñòîñòåðîí? ß ìîãó ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî áóäåò ïðèìåðíîå ðàâåíñòâî àíäðîñòåíäèîí/òåñòîñòåðîí=(ýñòðîí+ýñòðîí-ñóëüôàò)/ýñòðàäèîë, òàê êàê ïî ñîîòíîøåíèì àíäðîñòåíäèîí/òåñòîñòåðîí è (ýñòðîí+ýñòðîí-ñóëüôàò)/ýñòðàäèîë ìîæíî îïðåäåëèòü àêòèâíîñòü 17β-ðåäóêòàçû. ß ïðàâà?
È çà÷åì ýòî äåëàòü ?
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Ã.À. Ìåëüíè÷åíêî
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 21.04.2014, 08:42
Àâàòàð äëÿ FilippovaYulia
FilippovaYulia FilippovaYulia âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 30.01.2011
Ãîðîä: Âîëãîãðàä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15,438
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 17
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,376 ðàç(à) çà 6,132 ñîîáùåíèé
FilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
È çà÷åì îïðåäåëÿòü àêòèâíîñòü 17β-ðåäóêòàçû ïðè ÑÏÊß?
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×òîáû ïîñòàâèòü äèàãíîç íåïðàâèëüíî, íàäî èìåòü îñîáûé òàëàíò è ïðåìíîãî ïîñòàðàòüñÿ: ñäåëàòü ÌÐÒ è ÊÒ âñåõ ëþáîïûòíûõ ìåñò áîëüíîãî, ðåíòãåíîâñêèå ñíèìêè îò ãîëîâû äî ïÿò, àíàëèçû âñåõ áèîæèäêîñòåé, ïðèãëàñèòü ïÿòîê-äðóãîé êîíñóëüòàíòîâ… Ñàì ÷åðò ïîòîì âî âñåì ýòîì íå ðàçáåðåòñÿ! Ï. Ðóäè÷
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 28.04.2014, 02:02
Àâàòàð äëÿ Miette
Miette Miette âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.04.2014
Ãîðîä: Àëìàòû
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Miette *
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Melnichenko Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
È çà÷åì ýòî äåëàòü ?
Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Ãàëèíà Àôàíàñüåâíà! Ìû ëè÷íî íå çíàêîìû. ß âñå ñòåñíÿþñü ïðèåõàòü ê Âàì.
Êàê ÿ î÷åíü ñìóòíî ïîíÿëà (ÿ ñàìà äóðà-äóðîé) è îáðûâêîâ ëåêöèé îäíîãî èçãíàííîãî ïðîôåññîðà è íå î÷åíü ÷åñòíûõ ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé ïðåïàðàòîâ, òåñòîñòåðîí ìîæåò áûòü êàê íàäïî÷å÷íèêîâîãî ïðîèñõîæäåíèÿ (èç äýãèäðîýïèàíäðîñòåðîíà, îáðàçóþùåãîñÿ èç åãî êîíüþãàòà), òàê è èç ÿè÷íèêîâ (èç àíäðîñòåíäèîíà). Ïî èäåå íóæíî óçíàòü ñîäåðæàíèå âîîáùå âñåõ ïðîäóêòîâ ñòåðîèäîãåíåçà, òàê êàê îíè âçàèìîñâÿçàíû. Ïðè ÑÏÊß ÷àñòî áûâàåò ãèïåðýñòðîãåíèÿ (ïî 17β-ýñòðàäèîëó), êîòîðàÿ ìîæåò áûòü îáóñëîâëåíà êàê ïîâûøåííîé àêòèâíîñòüþ àðîìàòàçû, òàê è ïîâûøåííîé àêòèâíîñòüþ 17β-ðåäóêòàçû. Ñîîòâåòñòâåííî íóæåí ïîäáîð èíãèáèòîðà, êàê ÿ ñìóòíî ïîíÿëà. Íî âñå ðàâíî ó ìåíÿ âîïðîñû åñòü ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó. Êàê îïðåäåëÿòü è êàêàÿ öåíà àíàëèçà, íåÿñíî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 28.04.2014, 16:10
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,275
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,622 ðàç(à) çà 32,696 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ãîñïîäè, äà ÷òî æå Âû âäðóã âçÿëèñü çà ó÷åáíèê ïî áèîõèìèè?
Âàøà ìåäèöèíñêàÿ ïðîôåññèÿ ïðåäïîëàãàåò ýäàêóþ áåçäíó íàèâíûõ è íåòî÷íûõ ñâåäåíèé? ×òî ñëó÷èëîñü?
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Ã.À. Ìåëüíè÷åíêî
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 28.04.2014, 16:50
Àâàòàð äëÿ Miette
Miette Miette âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.04.2014
Ãîðîä: Àëìàòû
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Miette *
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Melnichenko Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ãîñïîäè, äà ÷òî æå Âû âäðóã âçÿëèñü çà ó÷åáíèê ïî áèîõèìèè?
Ó÷åáíèêà ïî áèîõèìèè ó ìåíÿ, óâû, íåò. Âñå, ÷òî ÿ çíàþ (è íå çíàþ), ëåæèò (ïûëèòñÿ) ó ìåíÿ â êîíñïåêòàõ 10-ëåòíåé äàâíîñòè.
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Melnichenko Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Âàøà ìåäèöèíñêàÿ ïðîôåññèÿ ïðåäïîëàãàåò ýäàêóþ áåçäíó íàèâíûõ è íåòî÷íûõ ñâåäåíèé? ×òî ñëó÷èëîñü?
Ïîýòîìó ÿ è õîòåëà óòî÷íèòü, ýòè äîãàäêè âåðíûå, îò÷àñòè âåðíûå, íåâåðíûå, ñîìíèòåëüíûå èëè "ïîêà íåïðîâåðåííûå"?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 29.04.2014, 05:12
ELENA_VLAD ELENA_VLAD âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.07.2008
Ãîðîä: Êðàñíîÿðñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 6,961
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 278
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2,133 ðàç(à) çà 2,058 ñîîáùåíèé
ELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
À ìíå æàëêî ýòîãî äîêòîðà - âåðîÿòíî, åå òàê ó÷èëè è ïðîäîëæàþò ó÷èòü â ÂÓÇå è ïðè ïîâûøåíèè êâàëèôèêàöèè. Íåäàâíî èìåëà ïå÷àëüíûé îïûò îáó÷åíèÿ. Õîðîøî, ÷òî "ôèëüòðîâàëà" èíôîðìàöèþ.
Íàì ïîâåçëî - ÈÍ ÂÈÒÐÎ ñïîíñèðîâàëà ëåêöèþ ïðîô. Âàíóøêî ïî èíöèäåíòàëîìàì íàäïî÷å÷íèêîâ. Íî èíôîðìàöèþ ðàñïðîñòðàíèëè ïëîõî è çà çíàíèÿìè ïðèøëî íåìíîãî âðà÷åé. Ïî ïðàâäå ãîâîðÿ, âûñòóïëåíèå ïðîòèâîðå÷èëî òðåáîâàíèÿì Ðîñçäðàâíàäçîðà - îáðàùàòüñÿ è ïîëó÷àòü (èëè íå ïîëó÷àòü) ðàçðåøåíèå ïî ïðîâåäåíèþ êîíôåðåíöèé çà 2 ìåñÿöà äî ïëàíèðóåìîãî ìåðîïðèÿòèÿ. Ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî ìîãóò è íå ðàçðåøèòü. Èìåííî ïîýòîìó ÿ, íàïðèìåð, íå ïðîâîæó î÷åðåäíóþ Ãîðîäñêóþ ýíäîêðèííóþ êîíôåðåíöèþ - ïîòîìó ÷òî íåò íè âðåìåíè. íè ñèë íà îáùåíèå ñ ýòèì ôåäåðàëüíûì îðãàíîì, äà è ïðîãðàììà âåðñòàåòñÿ â ïîñëåäíèå äíè - âåëèêà çàâèñèìîñòü îò ïðèåçæèõ ëåêòîðîâ. À êàê â Êàçàõñòàíå - íå çíàþ.

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Samitin îäîáðèë(à): ÂÓÇîâñêîå îáðàçîâàíèå îäíîçíà÷íî ïðåäïîëàãàåò ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíûé ïîèñê è êðèòè÷åñêóþ îöåíêó íóæíîé èíôîðìàöèè
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 18.09.2014, 15:23
Samitin Samitin âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 27.08.2009
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 765 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Samitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
 îêòÿáðüñêîì íîìåðå EJE îïóáëèêîâàíû ñîãëàñèòåëüíûå ðåêîìåíäàöèè The polycystic ovary syndrome: a position statement from the European Society of Endocrinology - [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]. Íà ìîé âçãëÿä, õîðîøî (íàñêîëüêî ýòî âîçìîæíî â òåêóùåé ñèòóàöèè) è îòíîñèòåëüíî äîõîä÷èâî íàïèñàíî ïðî äèàãíîñòèêó ãèïåðàíäðîãåíèè.

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Ñòàðûé 25.09.2014, 06:49
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Miette,
À Âû ìíå íðàâèòåñü!
Åñòåñòâåííî, èññëåäîâàòåëüñêîé áàçû ó Âàñ íåò, â ìåäèíñòèòóòå å¸ íå ó÷àò, íî ÷òî ìíå ñèìïàòèçèðóåò, òàê åòî Âàøå ëþáîïûòñòâî, æåëàíèå ÷òî-òî íîâîå äëÿ ñåáÿ ïîíÿòü è ðåøèìîñòü ïðèçíàòüñÿ, ÷òî òî, ÷åìó Âàñ ó÷èëè, ìîæåò áûòü ñîâåðøåííî íåïðàâèëüíûì.
Ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî èç Âàñ âûéäåò î÷åíü õîðîøèé àñïèðàíò, à òàì, áîã äàñò, è ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíûé èññëåäîâàòåëü. Åñëè ïîëèêëèíèêà Âàì íàäîåëà, èäèòå, áåãèòå â õîðîøåå ìåñòî, ê õîðîøåìó ìåíòîðó. Èç Âàñ ìîæåò âûéòè òîëê.

À åñëè èíòåðåñóåòåñü åòèîëîãèåé è ïàòîôèçèîëîãèåé ïîëèêèñòîçíûõ ÿè÷íèêîâ, òî ñîâåòóþ ïîéòè íà Pubmed è ïîèñêàòü ñòàòüè Äæîíà Ìàðøàëëà ( Marshall JC): ñàìûé òøàòåëüíûé è îðèãèíàëüíûé èññëåäîâàòåëü åòîé îáëàñòè.
Òîëüêî áóäüòå âíèìàòåëüíû: åñòü íåñêîëüêî ëþäåé ñ òàêèì èìåíåì, êîíöåíòðèðóéòåñü íà ñòàòüÿõ î ðåïðîäóêòèâíîé åíäîêðèíîëîãèè.

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