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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 20.01.2019, 10:25
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Ðàñòåò PSA. Ñîãëàøàòüñÿ íà áèîïñèþ?

 òå÷åíèè ïàðû ìåñÿöåâ PSA âûðîñ ñ 3.3 äî 4.8
Óðîëîã ãîâîðèò, ÷òî íóæíî äåëàòü áèîïñèþ, à òåðàïåâò ñîâåòóåò íå òîðîïèòüñÿ, ò.ê., ìîë, åñòü òåîðèÿ, ÷òî â ïðîöåññå èññëåäîâàíèÿ (åñëè, êîíå÷íî, íàéäóò/ïîïàäóò) ðàêîâûå êëåòêè ìîãóò ïîïàñòü â êðîâü è ðàñïðîñòàíèòüñÿ ïî âñåìó îðãàíèçìó. Ýòî ðåàëüíî îïàñíî?

 ïðèíöèïå ó ìåíÿ PSA óæå äàâíî ñëåãêà ïîâûøåí è ïÿòü ëåò íàçàä óæå äåëàëè áèîïñèþ, íî íè÷åãî íå íàøëè. Òåðàïåâò ïðåäëàãàåò ïîíàáëþäàòü, ò.ê. íà ÓÇÈ òîæå íè÷åãî íå îáðàðóæèëè ïîäîçðèòåëüíîãî ïîêà.
Ñ êàêîãî óðîâíÿ PSA ðåàëüíî ñòîèò íà÷èíàòü áåñïîêîèòüñÿ?

Ñïàñèáî!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 21.01.2019, 04:15
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Âîò åùå ïîäðîáíîñòè ïðî ïîñëåäíèå àíàëèçû:
Free PSA - 1.0
Total PSA - 4.8
PSA % Free - 21

È âîò åùå ÷òî íàïèñàëè:
In patients with total PSA concentrations of 4-10 ng/mL, the
probability of finding prostate cancer on needle biopsy by age in
years is:
%fPSA 50-59 60-69 70 or older
0 - 10% 49% 58% 65%
11 - 18% 27% 4% 41%
19 - 25% 18% 24% 30%
Greater than 25% 9% 12% 16%

Ìíå 53 òàê, ÷òî âåðîÿòíîñòü òîëüêî 18%, íî íå ïîíÿòíî âåðîÿòíîñòü ÷åãî ñîáñòâåííî: îáíàðóæåíèÿ èëè íàëè÷èÿ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 31.01.2019, 18:41
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Êñòàòè, åùå âîïðîñ: ãäå ëó÷øå â Ìîñêâå ïðîéòè ïîâòîðíîå îáñëåäîâàíèå, ÷òîáû ïîíÿòü íóæíî ëè äåëàòü áèîïñèþ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #4  
Ñòàðûé 06.02.2019, 05:27
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ÂÐÀ×
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 185
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 78 ðàç(à) çà 78 ñîîáùåíèé
vtazalov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvtazalov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ß áû ïîâòîðèë àíàëèç íà ÏÑÀ ÷åðåç 3 ìåñÿöà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 13.03.2019, 09:19
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Ñäàë àíàëèçû åùå ðàç è òåïåðü â Ðîññèè:

PSA îáùèé - 6.3
PSA ñâîáîäíûé - 1.42 (ò.å. 23%)

Ïî-ìîåìó ðàñòåò íåóòåøèòåëüíûìè òåìïàìè, õîòÿ % ñâîáîäíîãî ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ...
Ñîáñòâåííî âîïðîñ âñå òîò æå, æäàòü èëè ñîãëàøàòüñÿ íà áèîïñèþ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #6  
Ñòàðûé 13.03.2019, 09:57
Àâàòàð äëÿ genbytu
genbytu genbytu âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 959 ðàç(à) çà 949 ñîîáùåíèé
genbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ñîáñòâåííî âîïðîñ âñå òîò æå, æäàòü èëè ñîãëàøàòüñÿ íà áèîïñèþ?
Êîíå÷íî ñîãëàøàòüñÿ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 13.03.2019, 14:57
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Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ñåãîäíÿ áûë íà î÷íîì ïðèåìå ó óðîëîãà. Ñäåëàëè ÓÇÈ ïðîñòàòû.
Áûëî âûÿâëåíî: íåîáû÷íàÿ ôîðìà è ðàñïîëîæåíèå "ñðåäíåé äîëè" êîòîðóþ ïðåäëîæåíî óäàëèòü...
Íèêàêèõ äîïîëíèòåëüíûõ ïðèçíàêîâ çëîêà÷åñòâåííûõ îáðàçîâàíèé íå íàéäåíî òàê, ÷òî ðåøåíî æäàòü è íàáëþäàòü äàëüøå. Ñêàçàëè, ÷òî äî 15% ñâîáîäíîãî PSA â ìîåì âîçðàñòå îñîáî äåðãàòüñÿ íå ñòîèò. Ñêîðåå âñåãî åñòü äðóãèå ïðè÷èíû äëÿ ïîâûøåííîãî îáùåãî PSA. Áóäåì èñêàòü...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 13.03.2019, 16:21
Àâàòàð äëÿ genbytu
genbytu genbytu âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 959 ðàç(à) çà 949 ñîîáùåíèé
genbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò OlegNY Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ñåãîäíÿ áûë íà î÷íîì ïðèåìå ó óðîëîãà. Ñäåëàëè ÓÇÈ ïðîñòàòû.
Ïî÷åìó ÓÇÈ, à íå ÌÐÒ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2019, 13:42
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Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Íå çíàþ. Íàâåðíîå ïîòîìó, ÷òî ó íèõ åãî íåò?
Äà è íå äåøåâî íàâåðíîå çà íàëè÷íûå åñëè...
Îíî òîãî ñòîèò?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 14.03.2019, 13:47
Àâàòàð äëÿ genbytu
genbytu genbytu âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,112
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 959 ðàç(à) çà 949 ñîîáùåíèé
genbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågenbytu ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñòàíäàðòîì ÿâëÿåòñÿ ÌÐÒ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 29.03.2020, 20:55
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Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Íåäàâíî ñíîâà ñäàë òåñò íà PSA - 7.2
Ïîõîæå ðàñòåò ìåäëåííî, íî âåðíî.
Ëå÷àùèé âðà÷ ïðåäëàãàåò ÓÇÈ îïÿòü, íî ó ìåíÿ åñòü ñîìíåíèÿ, ÷òî ýòèì ìåòîäîì ðåàëüíî ìîæíî ÷òî-òî ðàçãëÿäåòü...
Óðîëîã áóäåò íàñòàèâàòü íà áèîïñèè êîíå÷íî æå è ïîõîæå ïîðà ñäàâàòüñÿ, íî íå ñòîèò ëè âñå æå ïîïðîñèòü ÌÐÒ ñíà÷àëà?
Íå âðåìÿ ñåé÷àñ êîíå÷íî æå - êîðîíàâèðóñ âñå îêêóïèðîâàë âîêðóã è íèêîìó íè äî ÷åãî íåò äåëà, íî ÌÐÒ æå äîëæåò áûòü ñâîáîäåí!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #12  
Ñòàðûé 31.08.2020, 08:23
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Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Íàêîíåö-òî ïðîøåë âñå êðóãè àäà è... íè÷åãî! ÌÐÒ è 12 äûðîê â ïðîñòàòå íè÷åãî íå âûÿâèëè.
Íà âîïðîñ "à ÷òî áóäåì äåëàòü ñ PSA" äîêòîð îòâåòèë - íè÷åãî!
×òî çà ôèãíÿ? Òèïà äàííûé äîêòîð çàèíòåðåñîâàí òîëüêî â ïàöèåíòàõ ñ ðàêîì, êîòîðûõ ìîæíî õîðîøî "ïîäîèòü"?
Èëè 7.2 è ïðàâäà ôèãíÿ è ìîæíî ïðîñòî çàáèòü?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #13  
Ñòàðûé 01.09.2020, 03:47
vtazalov vtazalov âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
 
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Ãîðîä: Õàáàðîâñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 185
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 78 ðàç(à) çà 78 ñîîáùåíèé
vtazalov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvtazalov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñèìïòîìû íèæíèõ ìî÷åâûõ ïóòåé åñòü? Îáüåì ïðåäñòàòåëüíîé æåëåçû êàêîé ïî äàííûì ÓÇÈ? Ëåêàðñòâåííàÿ òåðàïèÿ êàêàÿ-ëèáî ïðîâîäèòñÿ èëè ïðîâîäèëàñü?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #14  
Ñòàðûé 01.09.2020, 09:34
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Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
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Ïî ÓÇÈ íå çíàþ, à ïî äàííûì ÌÐÒ îáúåì - 39ìë (ïîäðîáíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ íèæå)

Ñèìïòîìû êîíå÷íî åñòü, â ïëàíå "ïðîïóñêíîé ñïîñîáíîñòè", íî êàê-òî ñòðàííî. Çàâèñèò îò "íàñòðîåíèÿ", ïîëîæåíèÿ è îáñòàíîâêè, ò.å. âîçìîæíîñòè ðàññëàáèòüñÿ.
Èíîãäà âïîëíå íîðìàëüíûé òàêîé ïîòîê, à èíîãäà î÷åíü òîíåíüêèé è ïîñòîÿííî ïðåðûâàåòñÿ, ïîêà ðåàëüíî íå ñôîêóñèðóåøüñÿ íà ïðîöåññå... Òàêîå ÷óâñòâî, ÷òî ýòî ïðîñòî ìûøöû ãäå-òî, à íå ïðîñòàòà. Íå óâåðåí âîîáùå, ÷òî ðàçìåðàìè ïîñëåäíåé ÷åëîâåê ìîæåò òàê âîò óïðàâëÿòü!

Ïîñëåäíåå ÷òî íàçíà÷àëè ýòî - Silodosin (ãîä íàçàä)
Äâà ãîäà íàçàä, ñðàçó ïîñëå îïåðàöèè è îñëîæíåíèé, ïûòàëèñü ìíå íàçíà÷èòü Alfuzosin, sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim è âîçìîæíî åøå ÷òî-òî, íî ÿ âñå ñàì ñåáå ïîîòìåíÿë èç-çà ïîáî÷íûõ ýôôåêòîâ...  äàííûé ìîìåíò íè÷åãî òàêîãî íå ïðèíèìàþ.


Prostate gland size: 4.3 x 3.9 x 4.3 cm (long, AP, transverse), calculated volume 39 mL.

Intra-vesical protrusion: 0.7 cm

Post-biopsy hemorrhage: None

No focal abnormality suspicious for tumor is identified.

Additional peripheral zone findings: None

Additional transition zone findings: Enlarged and heterogeneous in appearance, consistent with BPH.

Extraprostatic extension: No evidence of extra-prostatic extension.

Seminal vesicle invasion: no evidence of seminal vesicle invasion.

Membranous urethra length: 1.5 Cm.

Lymph nodes: No pelvic lymphadenopathy. Scattered borderline inguinal lymph nodes, similar to prior CT from 11/29/2018.

Osseous structures: No suspicious osseous lesion.

Additional findings: Trace pelvic ascites
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Ñòàðûé 02.09.2020, 03:00
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