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ïðîáëåì ñ êðîâüþ íå ïîìíþ,÷òîá áûëè ó êîãî-òî. Ó ìåíÿ â ðîäó-åâðåè,óêðàèíöû,áîëãàðû...íî,ýòî íàâåðíîå âðÿäëè Àçèÿ,Êàâêàç
À ÷òî ó ýòèõ íàðîäîâ ñõîäèå ïðîáëåìû âñòðå÷àþòñÿ? |
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À ó Âàñ ñ êðîâüþ: àíàëèç èìååòñÿ? Ó æèòåëåé Ñðåäèçåìíîìîðüÿ (âêëþ÷àÿ áîëãàð), Êàâêàçà è Àçèè âñòðå÷àåòñÿ íîñèòåëüñòâî òàëàññåìèè - äåôåêò ãåìîãëîáèíà, ïðèâîäÿùèé ê ìèêðîöèòîçó.
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
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Èìååòñÿ,
Ýòè ðåçóëüòàòû ïðîøëîãîäíèå(âî âðåìÿ êîðìëåíèÿ ãðóäüþ íà ôîíå ïðèåìà æåëåçîïðåïàðàòà ñäàâàëà) Fe-22,5 ÎÆÑÑ-46,5 à âîò ýòè íåäàâíèå: áèîõèìèÿ- urea-4,04 creat-67 LOW T.Bil-13,6 D.Bil-2,9 AST-18,4 ALT-12,0 ALP-200 GGT-17,0 L Îáùèé àíàëèç êðîâè- ý1ï2ñ51ë44ì2 ñîÝ-8 ìì/÷ WBC:9.7 10*9/l <4.0-9.0 > RBC:4.10 10*12/l <3.80-5.3 > HGB:134 g/l L <120-180 > HCT: ..36,5 % <36,0 -56,0 > PLT: 247 10*9/l <120-380 > PCT: 0.15 % < 0.10- 1.0> MCV:89,0 fl <80-100 > MCH:32,7 pg< 27.0-32.0> MCHC:367 g/l L<320-360 > RDW:11,0 %CV<10.0-16.5 > MPV:16.1 fl< 5.0-10.0> PDW:16.9% < 12.0-18.0> (%) (10*9/L) (%) LY:36,6 3,6 11,0-49,0 MO:3,5 0,3 0,0-9,0 LY:59,9 5,8 42,0-85,0 ß âñþ áåð-òü ïðèíèìàëà æåëåçîïðåïàðàò,ïîòîìó ÷òî ãåìîãëîáèí íà÷àë ïàäàòü êî âòîðîìó òðèìåñòðó,íåñìîòðÿ íà ïðèåì ëåêàðñòâ æåëåçî ñûâ. îñòàâàëîñü äîñòàòî÷íî íèçêèì(îêîëî 5) è ê òðåòüåìó òðèìåñòðó äàæå äåëàëà èíúåêöèè êîáàëàìèíà ÷åðåç äåíü,ïîñëå îïåðàòèâíûõ ðîäîâ ñòàëî íåìíîãî ïîäíèìàòüñÿ,è óæå ÷åðåç 6 ìåñ ïîñëå ðîäîâ (à íà ïðîòÿæåíèè âñåãî êîðìëåíèÿ ãðóäüþ òàêæå ïðèíèìàëîñü æåëåçî) ñòàëî íîðì ïî ïîêàçàòåëÿì,ãåìîãëîáèí ñòàë 143,æåëåçî 22. ß ïðîñòî ïûòàþñü ïîíÿòü,åñòü íóæäà â îáñëåäîâàíèè íà ñêðûòóþ öåëèàêèþ ìëàäøåãî ðåáåíêà èëè íåò.Ò.ê. îáñëåäîâàíèå ïðîâîäèòñÿ â äðóãîì ãîðîäå,äîñòàòî÷íî äàëåêî,äàëåå ãîñïèòàëèçàöèÿ íà âðåìÿ îáñëåäîâàíèÿ.Ê òîìó æå íàäî íàïðàâëåíèå ñ ìåñòíîé ïîëèêëèíèêè,à îíè ïîêà ïîêàçàíèé íå âèäÿò ê íåìó. ÂÐîäå áû ïî îïèñàíèþ íè÷åãî íå ïîäõîäèò,êðîìå ðåçóëüòàòîâ àíàëèçîâ êðîâè. îáùåì-òî è ðåáåíêà áîëüøå íè÷åãî íå áåñïîêîèò,êðîìå ýòîãî. |
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Çàòðóäíÿþñü îòâåòèòü: êðîìå öåëèàêèè è äð. ïðè÷èíû ìîãóò ïðèâîäèòü ê íàðóøåíèþ óñâîåíèÿ æåëåçà è æåëåçîäåôèöèòó...
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
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ÏÎëó÷àåòñÿ, â ýòîé ñèòóàöèè âûõîä òîëüêî â òîì,÷òîá äàâàòü æåëåçîïðåïàðàò äî ïîïåäíîãî,êàê ñî ñòàðøèì ðåáåíêîì?
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Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, â Âàøåé ñèòóàöèè ýòî âèäèòñÿ íàèáîëåå ðàöèîíàëüíûì...
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
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Äîáðîãî âðåìåíè ñóòîê,Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.Ñíîâà ê Âàì çà ðåêîìåíäàöèÿìè.
1. Ïî ñòàðøåé äåâî÷êå : 4 ã.11 ìåñ. Âîò ÿíâàðñêèå ðåçóëüòàòû àíàëèçîâ êðîâè (íà òîò ìîìåíò áûë ïðèåì ïîëèâèòàìèíîâ Âè*òðóì ñ öèíêîì,æåëåçîì,êàê Âû è ñîâåòîâàëè). îáùèé àíàëèç ý2ï1ñ47ë43ì7 ñîÝ-3 ìì/÷ WBC:7,0 10*9/l <4.0-9.0 > RBC:4.70 10*12/l <3.90-5.0 > HGB:120 g/l <120-160 > HCT: ,378 l/l <,360 -,480 > PLT: 368 10*9/l <180-320 > Í PCT: ,289 10*-2 l/l < ,150- ,400> MCV:81,0 fl <80-100 > MCH:25,6 pg< 27.0-31.0> L MCHC:318 g/l L<300-380 > RDW:12,6 % <11.5-14.5 > MPV:7.9 fl< 6.5-11.0> PDW:12% < 10.0-20.0> WBC ôëàãè: M2 G1 G2 % LYM:51,9 H % (19,0-37,0) #LYM: 3,6 H 10*9/L (1,2-3,0) % MON:7,7 % (3,0-11,0) #MON: 0,5 10*9/L (0,1-0,6) % GRA: 40,4 L % (48,0-72,0) #GRA: 2,9 10*9/L (2,1-6,1) ÁÈÎÕÈÌÈß: Alanine Aminotrans.liquid 11,8 U/L (10,0-40,0) Aspartate Aminotrans.liquid 29,3 U/L (10,0-42,0) Bilirubin direct 0,57 umol/L (0,00-3,4) Bilirubin indirect 2,1 umol/L (3,4-17,6) L Glucose HK Gen.3 5,10 mmol/L (3,9-5,9) IRON Gen.2 14,0 umol/L (8,1-32,6) TIBC 55,1 umol/L (46,7-85,6) Total BILI Special 2,6 umol/L (3,4-21,0) L Total Protein Gen.2 73 g/L (64,0-83,0) UIBC with BTS value 41,0 umol/L (20,0-62,0) ALP 167 IU/L (42-128) H Òèìîë.ïðîáà - 0,83 -------------------------------------------------------- À ýòî "ñâåæèå" ðåçóëüòàòû, áåç ïðèåìà âèòàìèííûõ êîìïëåêñîâ è æåëåçîïðåïàðàòîâ,2 íåäåëè íàçàä ñäàâàëè: îáùèé àíàëèç ý1ï1ñ40ë52ì6 ñîÝ-5 ìì/÷ WBC:5,0 10*9/l <4.0-9.0 > RBC:4.36 10*12/l <3.90-5.0 > HGB:110 g/l <120-160 > L HCT: ,333 l/l <,360 -,480 > L PLT: 325 10*9/l <180-320 > Í PCT: ,246 10*-2 l/l < ,150- ,400> MCV:77,0 fl <80-100 > L MCH:25,2 pg< 27.0-31.0> L MCHC:329 g/l L<300-380 > RDW:12,6 % <11.5-14.5 > MPV:7.6 fl< 6.5-11.0> PDW:13,6 % < 10.0-20.0> WBC ôëàãè: G1 G2 % LYM:55,7 H % (19,0-37,0) #LYM: 2,7 H 10*9/L (1,2-3,0) % MON:7,5 % (3,0-11,0) #MON: 0,3 10*9/L (0,1-0,6) % GRA: 36,8 L % (48,0-72,0) #GRA: 2,0 10*9/L (2,1-6,1) L ÁÈÎÕÈÌÈß: IRON Gen.2 26,8 umol/L (8,1-32,6) TIBC 66,6 umol/L (46,7-85,6) UIBC with BTS value 39,7 umol/L (20,0-62,0) Ó ìåíÿ çäåñü âîïðîñ,ïî÷åìó óðîâåíü æåëåçà ñûâ. âûøå âî âòîðîì ðåçóëüòàòå,à ãåìîãëîáèí óïàë? Îáúåêòèâíî ñîñòîÿíèå ðåáåíêà â íîðìå.Ìîãó îòìåòèòü â ïîñëåäíåå âðåìÿ òåìíûå êðóãè ïîä ãëàçàìè(ðàíüøå îíè ÷àùå ïåðåä çàáîëåâàíèåì ïîÿâëÿëèñü).Íîãòè â íîðìå,âîëîñû ðàñòóò õîðîøî. ×àñòåíüêî æàëóåòñÿ íà æèâîòèê,íî íà õåëèêîáàêòåð ïðîâåðÿëèñü-íîðì,ñïèñûâàþ íà êèøå÷íèê |
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Ó ðåáåíêà ïîñëå îòìåíû äîáàâêè ðàçâèâàåòñÿ àíåìèÿ, ÷òî ñêîðåå âñåãî ãîâîðèò î íàðóøåííîì âñàñûâàíèè æåëåçà. Åñëè õåëèêîáàêòåð èñêëþ÷åí, òî ãàñòðî-ýçîôàã. ðåôëþêñ è öåëèàêèÿ ìîãóò áûòü ïðè÷èíîé òîãî, êàê è ïðè÷èíîé áîëåé â æèâîòå. Âòîðîé ðàç æåëåçî ñêîðåå âñåãî ëîæíîïîâûøåíî âñëåäñòâèå íåïðàâèëüíîãî îáðàùåíèÿ ñ îáðàçöîì êðîâè.
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
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2. È ïî ìëàäøåé: 2,3 ã. ðîñò-85 ñì,âåñ 13 êã.
ßíâàðñêèå ðåçóëüòàòû àíàëèçîâ êðîâè (òàê æå íà ìîìåíò ïðèåìà ïîëèâèòàìèíîâ Ìóëü*òè-Òà*áñ Ìàëûø ñ öèíêîì è æåëåçîì). îáùèé àíàëèç ý5ï1ñ26ë59ì9 ñîÝ-5 ìì/÷ WBC:6,8 10*9/l <4.0-9.0 > RBC:4.34 10*12/l <3.90-5.0 > HGB:103 g/l <120-160 > L HCT: ,333 l/l <,360 -,480 > L PLT: 438 10*9/l <180-320 > Í PCT: ,362 10*-2 l/l < ,150- ,400> MCV:77,0 fl <80-100 > L MCH:23,7 pg< 27.0-31.0> L MCHC:309 g/l L<300-380 > RDW:12,8 % <11.5-14.5 > MPV:8.3 fl< 6.5-11.0> PDW:13% < 10.0-20.0> WBC ôëàãè: M2 G1 G2 % LYM:51,2 H % (19,0-37,0) #LYM: 3,4 H 10*9/L (1,2-3,0) % MON:9,5 % (3,0-11,0) #MON: 0,6 10*9/L (0,1-0,6) % GRA: 39,3 L % (48,0-72,0) #GRA: 2,8 10*9/L (2,1-6,1) ÁÈÎÕÈÌÈß: Alanine Aminotrans.liquid .........15,8 U/L (10,0-40,0) Aspartate Aminotrans.liquid ......27,9 U/L (10,0-42,0) Bilirubin direct ........................0,78 umol/L (0,00-3,4) Bilirubin indirect ......................3,1 umol/L (3,4-17,6) L Glucose HK Gen.3 ...................4,54 mmol/L (3,9-5,9) IRON Gen.2 ...........................17,9 umol/L (8,1-32,6) TIBC ....................................65,5 umol/L (46,7-85,6) Total BILI Special................... 3,8 umol/L (3,4-21,0) L Total Protein Gen.2 ................71,9 g/L (64,0-83,0) UIBC with BTS value............... 48,6 umol/L (20,0-62,0) ALP ...................................186 IU/L (42-128) H Òèìîë.ïðîáà - 1,39 -------------------------------------------------------- Ýòî òàêæå "ñâåæèå" ðåçóëüòàòû, áåç ïðèåìà âèòàìèííûõ êîìïëåêñîâ è æåëåçîïðåïàðàòîâ,2 íåäåëè íàçàä ñäàâàëè: îáùèé àíàëèç ý1ï1ñ32ë552ì11 ñîÝ-5 ìì/÷ WBC:6,6 10*9/l <4.0-9.0 > RBC:4.26 10*12/l <3.90-5.0 > HGB:104 g/l <120-160 > L HCT: ,319 l/l <,360 -,480 > L PLT: 382 10*9/l <180-320 > Í PCT: ,321 10*-2 l/l < ,150- ,400> MCV:75,0 fl <80-100 > L MCH:24,4 pg< 27.0-31.0> L MCHC:325 g/l L<300-380 > RDW:12,5 % <11.5-14.5 > MPV:8.4 fl< 6.5-11.0> PDW:14,8 % < 10.0-20.0> WBC ôëàãè: Ì2 G1 G2 % LYM:46,1 H % (19,0-37,0) #LYM: 3,0 H 10*9/L (1,2-3,0) % MON:9,4 % (3,0-11,0) #MON: 0,6 10*9/L (0,1-0,6) % GRA: 44,5 L % (48,0-72,0) #GRA: 3,0 10*9/L (2,1-6,1) L ÁÈÎÕÈÌÈß: IRON Gen.2 22,8 umol/L (8,1-32,6) TIBC 76,8 umol/L (46,7-85,6) UIBC with BTS value 54,0 umol/L (20,0-62,0) Çäåñü ñèòóàöèÿ ìåíÿ áîëüøå áåñïîêîèò,âî-ïåðâûõ,îïÿòü-òàêè ïðè íîðìå æåëåçà,íåïîíÿòíî ïî÷åìó ãåìîãëîáèí íèçêèé.Æåëåçîïðåïàðàò íå ïðèíèìàåò óæå ãîä,íàâåðíîå.Ñîñòîÿíèå íîãòåé íà íîæêàõ-óæàñ Çàãèáàþòñÿ.Êîæà âîêðóã íîãòåé ïàëü÷èêîâ è íîã è ðóê îáëàçèò,ïðèíîñèò áåñïîêîéñòâî ðåáåíêó,îíà åå àêòèâíî ñäèðàåò,áóêâàëüíî äî ñàìûõ íèæíèõ ñëîåâ.Âîëîñèêè ðàñòóò ìåäëåííî,êàê è ó ñòàðøåé äåâî÷êè â ýòîì âîçðàñòå. Åùå ó îáåèõ äåâî÷åê î÷åíü ñèëüíî ñîõíåò êîæà ãóá,òðåùèí íåò,íî îíè åå ïîñòîÿííî ñðûâàþò.ÂÎäó ïüþò àêòèâíî. Óâåðåíà,÷òî ìëàäøåé íóæíî,êàê è ñòàðøåé â åå âîçðàñòå è äàëüøå ïðèíèìàòü æåëåçîïðåïàðàò,íî âîò â êàêîé äîçå è â êàêîé ôîðìå? Ñèðîï íå ïîäîéäåò,ñî ñòàðøåé ïðèíèìàëè âñå ïî ïðàâèëàì,â ðàçáàâëåííîì âèäå,÷åðåç òðóáî÷êó,ñ ñîêîì áåç ìÿêîòè,ýìàëü î÷åíü ñèëüíî ïîòåìíåëà,ïðèõîäèëà â íîðìó íåìåíåå ãîäà. À âîò òàáëåòêè Ôåððîïëåêñ,÷òî ñòàðøàÿ ïðèíèìàëà,ýòó ôîðìó ïðåïàðàòà,íàâåðíîå ñëèøêîì ðàíî äëÿ 2õ-ëåòêè ? |
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Öèòàòà:
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷,÷òî îçíà÷àåò ýòîò íîâûé ïàðàìåòð â íàøèõ áóìàæêàõ: UIBC with BTS value ?? --------------------------------- Ïðî÷ëà î ðåôëþêñå ýòîì.Ïîÿâèëîñü ñîìíåíèå,íàïðèìåð âî âðåìÿ ñíà ÷àñòî "ãðîìêî" ãëîòàåò......ÿ âñå äóìàëà,÷òî ýòî ñëþíà ñêàïëèâàåòñÿ.... Ñòàëà ìåíüøèìè ïîðöèÿìè êóøàòü,è ÷àñòî â òå÷. äíÿ ãîâîðèò,÷òî óñòàëà è íàäî ïîëåæàòü,óêëàäûâàåòñÿ â êðîâàòêó,óêðûâàåòñÿ.....ïîëåæèò ìèíóò 5-10 è ñíîâà èäåò èãðàòü.ÒÎæå âîò ðàíüøå òàêîãî íå áûëî.Íàäî ïðîñèòü íàïðàâëåíèå íà ÓÇÈ? |
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Òîãäà ïðîäîëæàéòå äàâàòü âèòðóì èëè äð. ïðåïàðàò æåëåçà ïîñòîÿííî...
UIBC = ËÆÑÑ, ÒIBC = ÎÆÑÑ
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ß áû íå õîòåëà ïîëèâèòàìèíû ïîñòîÿííî äàâàòü,æåëåçîïðåïàðàò-äà...à âîò ïîëè.....íåäóìàþ,÷òî ýòî õîðîøî.Êðîìå òîãî,äîçà æåëåçà òàì ëèáî íåáîëüøàÿ,ëèáî ïëîõî óñàÿåìà,íå çíàþ,íî ó ìëàäøåãî ðåáåíêà íà ïîëèâèòàìèíàõ óëó÷øåíèÿ ïî âíåøíèì ïðèçíàêàì íå ïðîèñõîäèò,òàê æå êàê è ñî ñòàðøåé áûëî â ñâîå âðåìÿ.Çàòî æåëåçîïðåïàðàò äîâîëüíî áûñòðî ïðèâîäèò ê âíåøíèì óëó÷øåíèÿì.
È êàê æå áûòü? Âû ñ÷èòàåòå,íóæíî è ñòàðøåé äåâî÷êè ïðîäîëæàòü ïðèåì æåëåçîïðåïàðàòà? ýòî óæå áóäåò 3 ãîäà,êàê îíà ïðèíèìàåò. È êàê,âñå-òàêè,ïîäòâåðäèòü èëè îïðîâåðãíóòü ýòîò ðåôëþêñ? Ñïàñèáî |
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Âñå íà Âàøå óñìîòðåíèå...
Äëÿ äèàãíîñòèêè ðåôëþêñà èëè äð. ïðè÷èíû, êîòîðàÿ ìîæåò äàâàòü áîëè â æèâîòå è àíåìèþ ëó÷øå ïîñåòèòü äåòñêîãî ãàñòðîýíòåðîëîãà î÷íî.
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Èñêðåííå, Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷. |
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À êàêàÿ äîçà ïðåïàðàòà â ýòîò ðàç äîëæíà áûòü äëÿ êàæäîé?
ß ïðîñòî íå çíàþ,ìîæíî ëè äåëèòü òàáëåòêó ôåððîïëåêñà,íàïðèìåð,åñëè âñå-òàêè äëÿ ìëàäøåãî ðåáåíêà ïðèìåíÿòü.Ïîíÿòíî,÷òî èç-çà ôîðìû âûïóñêà åå íå ìîãóò ïîðåêîìåíäîâàòü â òàêîì âîçðàñòå. Ñòàðøåìó ðåáåíêó ðàíüøå äàâàëà ïî 1 ò. 2 ðàçà â äåíü ñ àñêîðáèíêîé,à ìëàäøåé òàê æå ïîëó÷àåòñÿ? Ê ñîæàëåíèþ,òàêèõ óçêèõ ñïåöèàëèñòîâ,êàê ãàñòðîýíòåðîëîã,òåì áîëåå äåòñêèé,ìíå íå âñòðå÷àëîñü â íàøåé ìåñòíîñòè |
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Äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ 1 ìã/êã âåñà ðåáåíêà èëè îêîëî òîãî, â ôåððîïëåêñå 10 ìã æåëåçà, ìëàäøàÿ âåñèò 13 êã, çíà÷èò 1 òàáë. ôåððîïëåêñà â äåíü äîñòàòî÷íà...
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