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Ôîðóì äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé àêóøåðîâ-ãèíåêîëîãîâ Ôîðóì ïðåäíàçíà÷åí äëÿ îáùåíèÿ ìåæäó âðà÷àìè àêóøåðàìè-ãèíåêîëîãàìè.

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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #16  
Ñòàðûé 05.08.2001, 06:03
Àâàòàð äëÿ Onkolog
Onkolog Onkolog âíå ôîðóìà
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ðîññèÿ, Áðÿíñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,822
Onkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOnkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOnkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOnkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOnkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äà, âîîáùå-òî ýòî äåëî èçâåñòíîå.  ïåðâóþ î÷åðåäü ïèøåøü èñòîðèþ áîëåçíè äëÿ ïðîêóðîðà, âñå îñòàëüíîå - âî âòîðóþ î÷åðåäü.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #17  
Ñòàðûé 05.08.2001, 12:53
V.Dvorianchikov V.Dvorianchikov âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 01.08.2001
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,953
V.Dvorianchikov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïëîõóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Èçâèíèòå, ÷òî âìåøèâàþñü. Åñëè ïîçâîëèòå, ìàëåíüêîå îòñòóïëåíèå. Êàê ýòî Âàì, Íàòàøà, óäàåòñÿ èçëå÷èâàòü Chlamydia trachomatis çà îäèí äåíü? È ÷òî çíà÷èò "íå ñóùåñòâóåò õð. àäíåêñèòà"? Íåóæåëè Àâñòðàëèÿ òàê äàëåêî îòîðâàëàñü îò îñòàëüíîãî ìèðà â îáëàñòè çäðàâîîõðàíåíèÿ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #18  
Ñòàðûé 05.08.2001, 13:33
Natasha Natasha âíå ôîðóìà
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Australia
Ñîîáùåíèé: 20
Natasha *
Lecheniy Chlamyd.infection and adnexita.

Uvagaemiy Dr Dvoryanchikov!
Delo ne v tom,chto Australiya "otorvalas ot ostalnogo mira",a v tom,chto vracham ey ne nugno lechit postoyanno-tak kak dengi im platit gosudarstvo.Poetomu lecheniy Chlamydia Trachomatis provoditsya vse tem ge azitromycinom 1 gramm stat dose.Pri etom nikto ne lechit eto mestno,tak kak Vam veroyatno izvestno,chto etot obitatel lubit celindricheskiy epiteliy,a poetomu smilsla lechit mestno prosto net.
PID-pelvic inflammatory disease-to chto mi imenuem chronicheskiy ili ostriy adnexit.Lechitsya v zavisimosti ot vozbuditelya v ostroy forme.A esli eto chronic pelvic pain-nugno iskat prichinu,pregde chto libo naznachat:endometriosis,spayki,ili functional cause.
Pri etom chochu skazat,chto eto ne tolko v Australii,no i v USA,Canada,UK.Zayavlayau so vsey uverennostu,tak kak so mnoy rabotaut vrachi iz vishe nazavannich stran i govoryat,chto lechenie u nich po toy ge scheme.
Kak ya uge zametila,raznica v medicine zdes i v Formaer Soviet Union,chto nashi vrachi postavleni v usloviya,kogda oni vinugdeni zarabativat dengi,vot poetomu i vash dochod budet zavisit ot kolichestva pacient.
Odin moy znakomiy postoyanno galuetsya,chto u nego pologitelniy test na Chlamyd.antibodies,a on uge sel tonni samich dorogich antibiotics,i doctoru oplatil god vpered vse lechenie.I nikak ne izbavitsya ot etoy infection!
Nu chto ya mogu na eto skazat?Ne varchi vinovati,a te usloviya v kotorich oni rabotaut.
S uvageniem,
Natasha
P.S.Kstati,esli vam interesno zaydite na [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] i posmotrite protokoloi lecheniya Chlamydia trachomatis.
A esli chotite,ya mogu vam vislat ich v Worde.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #19  
Ñòàðûé 05.08.2001, 17:44
Àâàòàð äëÿ Onkolog
Onkolog Onkolog âíå ôîðóìà
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ðîññèÿ, Áðÿíñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,822
Onkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOnkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOnkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOnkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOnkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âîò òàê-òî âîò!
Èíòåðåñíîå ñîîáùåíèå.
À â ôîðóìå çäåñü âñå áüþòñÿ - êàê æå ëå÷èòü õëàìèäèîç
Íàòàøà!
Åñëè ó Âàñ åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü ïîñëàòü óïîìÿíóòûå ìàòåðèàëû â Worde - áóäó âàì ïðèçíàòåëåí.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #20  
Ñòàðûé 05.08.2001, 17:46
Àâàòàð äëÿ Onkolog
Onkolog Onkolog âíå ôîðóìà
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ðîññèÿ, Áðÿíñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,822
Onkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOnkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOnkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOnkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåOnkolog ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Àõ, äà!
Åñëè ìàòåðèàëû ìíîãî "âåñÿò", òî ëó÷øå ïîñëàòü íà ìîé çàïàñíîé 10-Ìãá-íûé ÿùèê - [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #21  
Ñòàðûé 06.08.2001, 12:07
V.Dvorianchikov V.Dvorianchikov âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 01.08.2001
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,953
V.Dvorianchikov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïëîõóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñïàñèáî, Íàòàøà, çà ðàçúÿñíåíèÿ. Íî ó íàñ òîæå ëå÷àò Àçèòðîìèöèíîì. Îäíàêî ðåçóëüòàòû âåñüìà ñêðîìíû. È â óïîìÿíóòûõ Âàìè ñòðàíàõ - òîæå ñêðîìíû (ñóæó ïî ñâîèì ïàöèåíòàì). Âîçìîæíî, óñïåõè àâñòðàëèéñêîé ìåäèöèíû â ýòîé îáëàñòè îáúÿñíÿþòñÿ ìàëûì âðåìåííû èíòåðâàëîì ìåæäó ëå÷åíèåì è êîíòðîëüíûì îáñëåäîâàíèåì? Ó íàñ òàêèì ñïîñîáîì òîæå ïûòàþòñÿ ïîäíèìàòü "èçëå÷èìîñòü". ×òî êàêñàåòñÿ Âàøåãî çíàêîìîíãî, òî íå ïîíÿòíî, ãäå åãî âñå-òàêè ëå÷èëè - â ïîñòÑÑÑÐ èëè â Àâñòàëèè. È åùå áîëåå íåïîíÿòíî, ïî÷åìó îí îðèåíòèðóåòñÿ íà àíòèòåëà - ýòî, âåäü, íå ïîêàçàòåëü! Êñòàòè, â Àâñòðàëèþ äëÿ êîãî-òî ìíå óæå ïðèõîäèëîñü îòïðàâëÿòü ëåêàðñòâà îò õëàìèäèîçà. Íàâåðíîå, è ó âàñ òàì íå âñå ãëàäêî ñ ýòèì äåëîì.
Íà ðåêîìåíäîâàííûé Âàìè ñàéò ñåé÷àñ çàãëÿíó. Ìîæåòå çàãëÿíóòü è íà [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] . Ýòî ÷òî-òî èç ñåðèè "ïîïóëÿðíî äëÿ âðà÷åé".
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #22  
Ñòàðûé 10.10.2001, 16:23
Segeev
Ãîñòü
 
Ñîîáùåíèé: n/a
Êîëëåãà Íàòàøà,
Åñëè Âû åùå çàãëÿäûâàåòå íà ôîðóì è âëàäååòå èíôîðìàöèåé, îòâåòüòå ìíå íà âîïðîñ-êàê îðãàíèçîâàíà ðàáîòà ÷àñòíîïðàêòèêóþùåãî àêóøåðà íà Çàïàäå è â Âàøåé ñòðàíå, åñëè âðà÷, íàáëþäàþùèé çà áåðåìåííîé , ïðèãëàøàåòñÿ íà ðîäû èëè ÊÑ â ëå÷åáíîé ó÷ðåæäåíèå äðóãîé ôèðìû, ìóíèöèïàëüíîå èëè ïð. Êàê ïðè ýòîì èäåò ðàçäåëåíèå îòâåñòâåííîñòè, îïëàòà è êàê îñóùåñòâëÿåòñÿ ïðååìñòâåííîñòü â òàêèõ ñëó÷àÿõ?
Ìîæåò êòî èç êîëëåã çíàêîì ñ ïîäîáíîé ïðàêòèêå, ÿ çíàþ ýòî ïðèíÿòî â ÑØÀ.
Ñåðãååâ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #23  
Ñòàðûé 14.11.2001, 04:51
Natasha Natasha âíå ôîðóìà
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Australia
Ñîîáùåíèé: 20
Natasha *
Oplata uslug O & G

Uvagaemiy Segeev,
Proshu proschenie za dolgoe molchanie,tak kak poseschala rodnuu stranu,Ukraine.
Da,vozraschayas k voprosu ob oplate uslug O & G doctora.
Private doctor moget imet vremya dla operaciy kak v private hospital tak i v public.Esli doctor vedet priem public bolnich v public hospital(po dogovorennosti s administraciey)-on imeet svoy list bolnich,dla kotorich deshevle zaplatit public hospital,chem private.Mnogie poseschaut private O & G v ego room,i esli neobchodima surgery-imeut vozmognost vibrat v public ili private.
Prebivanie v public hospital,medicamenti,anaesthetic care i prochee-znachitelno deshevle,chem v private.No,povtorus,chto tolko tot doctor(ego nazivaetVMO-visiting medical officer),kotoriy imeet dogovorennost i public bolnich,moget polzovatsya etoy uslugoy hospital.
Nedavno po vsey Australii progremelo sobitie,kotoroe ne ostavilo ravnodushnich nashich O & G doctors.Genschine,kotoraaya stradaet cerebral palsy(DEtskim cerebralnim paralichom) bilo prisugdeno !13000000 AUSD za to,chto ona poluchila rodovuu travmu(forceps delivery-schepchi,5 raz doctor pitalya ich nalogit),i eto vse spustya 14 let posle rodov!
V Australii net sroka davnosti na posledstviya posle rodov-imenno po etoy prichine O & G ne ochen populyarnya zdes speciality.
A po povodu otvetstvennosti-tak vi uge,navernoe,ponyali-vsya otvetstvennost legit na VAS.A hopsital obespechivaet vam mesto,instrumentariy,i staff(sotrudnikov).A s vas budut trebovat kachestvo okazannich uslug(imenno poetomu vasha Inssurance(strachovka)budet odnoy iz samich visokich-okolo 100-200.000AUSD v god,tak na vsyakiy sluchay!)
S uvageniem,
Natasha
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #24  
Ñòàðûé 20.11.2001, 11:53
Segeev
Ãîñòü
 
Ñîîáùåíèé: n/a
Óâàæàåìàÿ êîëëåãà Íàòàøà,ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò. Èíôîðìàöèÿ äîñòàòî÷íàÿ.
Õî÷ó ñîîáùèòü , ÷òî ïî ïåðåâÿçàííûì ìî÷åòî÷íèêàì ìíå óäàëîñü äîáèòüñÿ îòìåíû àìíèñòèè\ äåëî òðåõëåòíåé äàâíîñòè\, âîçîáíîâèòü ñëåäñòâèå è íîâàÿ ÑÌýêñïåðòèçà ïîëíîñòüþ ïîäòâåðäèëà ïðâèëüíîñòü ìîèõ äåéñòâèé â ýêñòðåìàëüíûõ óñëîâèÿõ ðåëàïàðîòìèè ïðè ÄÂÑ ñèíäðîìå ïîñëå ýêñòèðïàöèè ìàòêè ïðè ÊÑ, ÿ ïðîøèâàë ñîñóäû â ãåìàòîìå òàçîâîé êëåò÷àòêè íà ôîíå ïàäåíèÿ ÀÄ è ÷åðåç òðè ÷àñà ñàì äèàãíîñöèðîâàë ïåðåâÿçêó ìî÷åòî÷íèêîâ.  ñâÿçè ñ îòñóòñòâèåì ñîñòàâà ïåðñóòïëåíèÿ äåëî çàêðûòî è èñê ïî ìîðàëüíîìó óùåðáó þðèñòû áîëüíèöû îòìåíÿò.
Ìîé ñîâåò
âñåì -÷èòàéòå ÓÊ ÓÏÊ è íèêîãäà íå ïîäïèñûâàéòåñü ïîä ïîñòàíîâëåíèåì îá àìíèñòèè, åñëè Âû óâåðåíû â ñâîåé ïðàâîòå,
Ñ óâàæåíèåì Ñåðãååâ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #25  
Ñòàðûé 20.11.2001, 22:46
doctor_mike doctor_mike âíå ôîðóìà
Ñåðôåð
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.11.2001
Ãîðîä: Ukraine, Dnepropetrovsk
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3
doctor_mike *
Question Australia

Óâàæàåìàÿ Íàòàëüÿ.
ß ïîëíîñòüþ ðàçäåëÿþ Âàøè ÷óâñòâà îòíîñèòåëüíî æèçíè è ðàáîòû çäåñü è òàì. Ñàì ÿ áûë íà ñòàæèðîâêå â Íüþ-Éîðêå â òå÷åíèè 3 ìåñÿöåâ (àêóøåðñòâî è ãèíåêîëîãèÿ).
ß ìîëîäîé âðà÷ (ìàãèñòð) àêóøåð-ãèíåêîëîã è ìíå î÷åíü õîòåëîñü áû óçíàòü î âîçìîæíîñòÿõ ýììèãðàöèè â Àâñòðàëèþ è âîçìîæíîñòÿõ ñäà÷è ýêçàìåíîâ è òðóäîóñòðîéñòâà âðà÷îì àêóøåðîì-ãèíåêîëîãîì äëÿ ìåíÿ. Àíãëèéñêèé çíàþ óäîâëåòâîðèòåëüíî (ìîãó ÷èòàòü, ãîâîðèòü ñ êîëëåãàìè, ïèñàòü áîëåå ìåíåå íîðìàëüíî). Ìåäèöèíó â öåëîì ó÷èë õîðîøî (êðàñíûé äèïëîì, çàðáîòàííûé ÷åñòíî). Ñ ïðàêòè÷åñêèìè íàâûêàìè õóæå - òîëüêî êåñàðåâî ñå÷åíèå è îïåðàöèè, âðîäå òóáýêòîìèé è îâàðèîýêòîìèé (òîëüêî çàêîí÷èë èíòåðíàòóðó). Æåíàò (áåç äåòåé).
Êàêîâû ìîè øàíñû è ÷òî äëÿ ýòîãî ìîæíî ñäåëàòü?
Áóäó Âàì î÷åíü áëàãîäàðåí çà èíôîðìàöèþ!!!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #26  
Ñòàðûé 21.11.2001, 03:08
Natasha Natasha âíå ôîðóìà
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Australia
Ñîîáùåíèé: 20
Natasha *
Zdravstvuyte Doctor_Mike!
Chtob ne rastekatsya mislu po drevu:ya sovetuu zayti na web site Australian Medical Council i nayti vsu interesuuschuu vas informaciu.([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ])
Po voprosam emmigracii(skill migration)mogete zayti na web site Department of Immigration([Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]).
Mogu tolko vam skazat,chto v Australii ctobi bit specialist v luboy area nugno proyti trainning ot 5 do 8 let.
Obichno po okonchanii Uni doctor rabotaet kak Intern 1 god(po raznim disciplins),zatem 1 god as RMO-resident medical officer(po rotacionnoy system),zatem 1 god PHO-principal house officer(v toy oblasti gde on chochet specializirovatsya),i tolko posle etogo podaet apply v College( v nashem sluchae O & G).College moget i otkazat,no a esli vse-taki prinimaet v trainning-to eto 6-8 let katorgnogo truda+ exams(MCQ-multiple questions choice i oral exam).
Nashi doctora,v tom chisle i ya,kto imel menshe 15 let staga raboti v O & G,dage ne priglashalis na interview-prosto skazali-sdavayte AMC(Medical Council exams),a potom nachinaete snachala ves trainning.
Po povodu Medical Council exams vi smogete vse nayti na ich web site.Chochu dobavit,chto eto dostochno dorogoe udovolstvie sdavat exams(perviy stoit 1150AUSD,a vtoroy 2000)Garantiya sdachi 50/50.
Interesen tot fact,chto v Australii vrachey ne chvataet,a probitsya rabotat dage prostim GP(family doctor)oh kak slogno!Ya uge ne govoru o speciality.Sami Australici nazivaut Medicine-Boys' club-chto znachit-zakrit dla postoronnich!
Uspechov vam,
Natasha
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