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Ñòàðûé 31.07.2012, 16:31
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- äëèòåëüíîå ïðèìåíåíèå ÊÎÊ ïðîäëåâàåò ìîëîäîñòü è îòîäâèãàåò ìåíîïàóçó. Õîòåëîñü áû çíàòü ñ ÷åì ýòî ñâÿçàíî.
- ïðèìåíåíèå ÊÎÊ ñíèæàåò ðèñê ïîÿâëåíèÿ ïàòîëîãè÷åñêèõ ÿéöåêëåòîê.

Âñå ýòî âû÷èòàëà ãäå-òî â èíòåðíåòå, õîòåëîñü áû çíàòü âàøå ìíåíèå, ñòîèò âåðèòü èëè íåò. ñïàñèáî!
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Ñòàðûé 31.07.2012, 16:42
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,205
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,595 ðàç(à) çà 32,669 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
1-äàéòå äåôèíèöèþ òåðìèíó ìîëîäîñòü ïåðåä ïðîäîëæåíèåì áåñåäû
2- äàéòå äåôèíèöèþ òåðìèíó ïàòîëîãè÷åñêàÿ ÿéöåêëåòêà
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 01.08.2012, 09:56
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ÿ íå ñïåöèàëèñò, à îáû÷íûé ïîëüçîâàòåëü, ïîýòîìó ïîïûòàþñü äàòü îïðåäåëåíèå òåìè ñëîâàìè, êàêèìè íàéäó:
1) îòäàëÿþò íàñòóïëåíèå ìåíîïàóçû, îáëåã÷àþò êëèìàêòåðè÷åñêèå ñèìïòîìû è ïðîäëåâàþò ìîëîäîñòü æåíùèíû. âåðîÿòíî áëàãîäàðÿ ñáàëàíñèðîâàíîìó ïðèñóòñòâèþ æåíñêèõ ãîðìîíîâ, ò.ê. ñ âîçðàñòîì èõ åñòåñòâåííîå âûäåëåíèå óìåíüøàåòñÿ. òàêæå íàñêîëüêîÿ ïîíèìàþ, ïðèìåíåíèå ÊÎÊ ïîçâîëÿåò ñîõðàíÿòü çàïàñû ÿéöåêëåòîê (ðàç îíè áëîêèðóþò èõ ðîñò è íå ðàñõîäóþòñÿ) - ýòî ìîæåò êàê-òî áëàãîòâîðíî âëèÿòü íà îðãàíèçì â öåëîì èëè íåò?
2) êàñàòåëüíî ïàòàëîãè÷åñêèõ ÿéöåêëåòîê, ñëîæíî îáúÿñíèòü, âåðîÿòíî ÷òî-òî èç ðàçðÿäà: "Íà ôîíå ïðèåìà ÊÎÊ ÷àñòü çðåþùèõ ôîëëèêóëîâ àòðåçèðóåòñÿ, íî ÷àñòü íàèáîëåå ãåíåòè÷åñêè ïîëíîöåííûõ ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ äî ìîìåíòà îòìåíû ïðåïàðàòà".
Áëàãîäàðÿ ýòîìó, ïî ìíåíèþ Ford J. è ñîàâò. (1990 ã.), ïðèìåíåíèå ÊÎÊ ïðåäîòâðàùàåò ñïîíòàííûå àáîðòû ïî ïðè÷èíå àíåóïëîèäèè. Ïî äàííûì Ford J. è ñîàâò. (1905 ã.), ÷àñòîòà ñàìîïðîèçâîëüíîãî ïðåðûâàíèÿ áåðåìåííîñòè ó æåíùèí, ïðèíèìàâøèõ ÊÎÊ â òå÷åíèå 9 è áîëåå ëåò, ñîñòàâëÿëà 11,3% ÷òî íà 1/2 ìåíüøå óðîâíÿ (23%) ó æåíùèí, íå ïðèíèìàâøèõ ÎÊ.

Àíãëèéñêèå ó÷åíûå èç Áðèñòîëÿ äîêàçàëè, ÷òî ïðîëîíãèðîâàííûé ïðèåì îðàëüíîé êîíòðàöåïöèè íå âëèÿåò âïîñëåäñòâèè íà ñðîê íàñòóïëåíèÿ çàïëàíèðîâàííîé áåðåìåííîñòè è óìåíüøàåò ðèñê çàäåðæêè ðàçâèòèÿ ïëîäà (À.Ðàããîóó, Ì.ÍèÈ è ñîàâò., 2002).
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Ñòàðûé 01.08.2012, 10:54
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 01.08.2012, 11:13
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,205
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
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Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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1/ ìîëîäîñòü íå ñèíîíèì ïðåìåíîïàóçå, ñòàðîñòü - ýòî íå òîëüêî ïîñòìåíîïàóçà
2/ÊÎÊ - âàæíåéøåå è ïðåêðàñíåéøåå , íóæíåéøåå ïðèîáðåòåíèå ÷åëîâå÷åñòâà , íî âîçðàñò ìåíîïàóçû ( ó äîæèâøèõ äî îíîé ) íå èçìåíèëñÿ ñ 50-õ ãîäîâ
3/ãèáåëü ÿéöåêëåòîê ó äåâî÷êè íà÷èíàåòñÿ ïîñëå ðîæäåíèÿ è íèêîìó íå ïðèøëà â ãîëîâó ìûñëü äàâàòü ÊÎÊ ñ ïåðâûì âçäîõîì
4/â 1905 ãîäó ñ ÊÎÊ áûëî íàïðÿæåíêà
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Ñòàðûé 01.08.2012, 11:24
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,205
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,595 ðàç(à) çà 32,669 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðèâîæó ïîòðÿñøóþ Âàñ ñòàòüþ ïîëíîñòüþ

Pregnancy and lifestyle study: the long-term use of the contraceptive pill and the risk of age-related miscarriage.
Ford JH, MacCormac L.
Source
Genetics Department, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Woodville, Australia.
Abstract
Maternal ageing is a very important factor in aneuploidy. It is associated with an increased risk of a liveborn trisomy, especially Down's syndrome, and with a dramatic increase in trisomic conceptions, the majority of which miscarry. A total of 585 volunteer couples who were planning pregnancies participated in a prospective study of reproduction. The couples answered extensive questionnaires and early pregnancy tests (day 28) were conducted each month. The number of years of contraceptive pill use was correlated with pregnancy outcome. Lowered rates of miscarriage were found with increased years of pill use. The cut-off point for this positive effect appeared to be 9 years. Use of oral contraceptives for > or = 9 years was associated with a spontaneous abortion rate of 11.3%, which is about half the rate (23%) which was found in couples who had not used the pill. However, the effect of pill taking was correlated with female age, and when age was examined as an independent factor, the reduction in miscarriage was only statistically significant in women > 30 years old, where the rate of abortion reduced from 28 to 7%. Because age-related aneuploidy in humans probably occurs as a direct or an indirect result of follicle depletion, it is proposed that the long-term use of the oral contraceptive pill protects against abortion due to aneuploidy by preserving the number of follicles.
PIP:
The impact of oral contraceptive use on ovarian follicular dynamics--considered to be a key determinant of trisomic conceptions--was investigated in a prospective study of 585 Australian women who were planning pregnancy. Urine samples were collected on the last day of each menstrual cycle in which conception was attempted; outcomes were classified as live birth of a normal infant, spontaneous abortion, or persisting infertility. Only 39 women had never used oral contraceptives (OCs); the majority had used the pill for at least six months. The age-related miscarriage rate was 13.4% in women aged 25-29 years, 17.3% in those aged 30-34 years, and 28.3% in those aged 35-39 years. The frequency of miscarriage showed a pattern of decline with increasing years of OC use: 0-2, 22.2%; 3-4, 17.3%; 5-6, 19.6%; 7-8, 16.7%; and 9 or more, 11.4%. However, the addition of maternal age to the logistic regression model revealed that the association between OC use duration and miscarriage was significant (p 0.001) only for women 30 years of age and over. In this latter group. the mean miscarriage rate decreased from 28% with 0-2 years of OC use to 7% with 9 or more years of use. It is hypothesized that the decrease of about 15% in the rate of miscarriage among longterm pill users aged 30 years or over is attributable to OC-related preservation of ovarian follicles and a subsequent reduction in spontaneous abortion due to aneuploidy--a defect related to pre-menopausal declines in follicle numbers.
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Ñòàðûé 01.08.2012, 13:06
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Íî åñëè ÷åñòíî, ÿ íå óâèäåëà îòâåòû íà ñâîè âîïðîñû.
Òàê êàê ýòè ïóíêòû, î êîòîðûõ ÿ ñïðàøèâàëà êàê "+" ÊÎÊ óêàçàíû âî ìíîãèõ ñòàòüÿõ (åñëè íàáðàòü â ÿíäåêñå "êîíòðàöåïòèâû"), ïîýòîìó ÷òîáû áåçîãëÿäíî íå âåðèòü ñòàòüÿì íà ðàçëè÷íûõ èíòåðíåò-ñàéòàõ, ò.ê. ìíåíèÿ åñòü êàðäèíàëüíî ïðîòèâîïîëîæíûå (íà äíÿõ ïðî÷èòàëà ñòàòüþ îäíîãî âðà÷à àêóøåðà î òîì, ÷òî ÊÎÊ - ýòî âñåëåíñêîå çëî, êîòîðîå ãóáèò çäîðîâüå æåíùèí íàøåé ñòðàíû è ÷òî-òî ïî òèïó ÷òî ýòî çàãîâîð ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé è âñåõ êòî õî÷åò óíè÷òîæèòü íàøó ñòðàíó â öåëîì... êàê îáû÷íî...è ïî÷òè âñå ïëþñû ÊÎÊ, êîòîðûå óêàçàíû êàê îñíîâíûå â ýòîé ñòàòüå íàîáîðîò âûçûâàþò âñå òå çàáîëåâàíèÿ, îò êîòîðûõ â äðóãèõ èñòî÷íèêàõ îíè çàùèùàþò).
Âîò èìåííî ïîýòîìó ÿ ñïðàøèâàþ ìíåíèå ñïåöèàëèñòîâ íà ýòîò ñ÷åò - ýòî èìååò ìåñòî áûòü èëè ýòî ïðîñòî äîìûñëû?

Ñïðàøèâàþ åùå è ïîòîìó, ÷òî ñàìà ïüþ èõ, ìåíÿ âñå óñòðàèâàåò, ìíå íðàâèòñÿ êîñìåòè÷åñêèé ýôôåêò (áîðîòüñÿ ñ ïðûùàìè â 31 ãîä êàê-òî íàäîåëî) è ïðîñòî îùóùåíèå áåçîïàñíîñòè, ïðè òîì, ÷òî ó ìåíÿ íåò ðåãóëÿðíîãî ñåêñà è êàêèõ-ëèáî îòíîøåíèé íà òåê. ìîìåíò âîîáùå. Íî ó ìåíÿ åñòü îïûò íåóäà÷íîé, à â ïîñëåäñòâèè ïðåðâàííîé áåðåìåííîñòè ñ õðîìîñîìíîé ïàòîëîãèåé (ýòî îòäåëüíàÿ òåìà, çäåñü ðàçâèâàòü íå áóäó). Ïîýòîìó ìíå íóæíî ïîíèìàòü, äåéñòâèòåëüíî ëè ó ÊÎÊ åñòü ïîäîáíûå äîñòîèíñòâà.

À åùå ìíå èíòåðåñíî ìíåíèå íàñ÷åò (âî ìíîãèõ ñòàòüÿõ): ïîñëå äëèòåëüíîãî ïðèåìà êîíòðàöåïòèâîâ åñòü ðèñê ïîäàâëåíèÿ ñïîñîáíîñòè ê çà÷àòèþ, îñîáåííî ýòî êàñàåòñÿ òåõ, êòî ïåðåøàãíóë 30 ëåòíèé ðóáåæ. Îðàëüíûå êîíòðàöåïòèâû â âîçðàñòå ïîñëå 30 ëåò íå ïîêàçàíû, òàê êàê îíè ñïîñîáñòâóþò ðèñêó çàáîëåâàíèé òðîìáîçàìè ó æåíùèí òàêîãî âîçðàñòà. Æåíùèíû ïîñëå 30 îñòðåå ðåàãèðóþò íà ãîðìîíû, ñîäåðæàùèåñÿ â ýòèõ ïðåïàðàòàõ. Ó íèõ íà ïî÷âå ïðè¸ìà îðàëüíûõ êîíòðàöåïòèâîâ ìîæåò ïîÿâëÿòüñÿ áîëü â îáëàñòè êèøå÷íèêà, òÿæåñòü â ãðóäè, ãîëîâíàÿ áîëü, ãèïåðòîíèÿ, ðàçâèòüñÿ äåïðåññèÿ.

È ýòî ïðè òîì, ÷òî â íàøå âðåìÿ 30 ëåò - ýòî åùå äîñòàòî÷íî ìîëîäàÿ æåíùèíà, íåêîòîðûå òîëüêî â òàêîì âîçðàñòå è íà÷èíàþ ÊÎÊ ïèòü..... à òóò ïîëó÷àåòñÿ - âñå , íå ãîäíà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 01.08.2012, 13:09
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,205
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,595 ðàç(à) çà 32,669 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ÊÎÊ - âåëèêîëåïíàÿ è íóæíàÿ âåùü äëÿ êîíòðàöåïöèè è ïî íåêîíòðàöåïòèâíûì ïîêàçàíèÿì - íî ýòî íå ñðåäñòâî Ìàêðîïóëîñà è íå ñïîñîá ðàç è íàâñåãäà ðåøèòü ïðîáëåìó àíîìàëèé ýìáðèîíîâ
 ÷åì Âàøà ïðîáëåìà ?
 íàøå âðåìÿ è 50 ëåò - íå ñòàðîñòü , íî ýòî 50 ëåò äëÿ èíãèáèíà è ÀÌÃ
Âðåìÿ áåçæàëîñòíî , íî ÊÎÊ ñêîðåå ïðèáëèæàþò íàñ ê ïðèðîäîé æåíùèíå , ÷åì óäàëÿþò îò íå¸. Ñàìêà ÷åëîâåêà íà÷èíàëà ïîëîâóþ æèçíü äî ìåíàðõå , èñïîëüçîâàëà äëèòåëüíóþ ëàêòàöèþ êàê ñïîñîá êîíòðàöåïöèè è óìèðàëà áàáóøêîé â 30 ëåò äî ìåíîàóçû
Åùå â 19-âåêå íåïëîõî îòðàæåíà ñèòóàöèÿ ìóæ÷èíà /æåíùèíà â êàðòèíå Ïóêèðåâà Íåðàâíûé áðàê -ýòî òèïè÷íàÿ áðà÷íàÿ ïàðà , Ïåðâàÿ æåíà äàâíî â ðîäàõ ïîìåðëà, âòîðàÿ îò ÷àõîòêè, òóò è òðåòüÿ ïðèñïåëà ..

â íàøó ýïîõó âîçðàñò ìåíàðõå çíà÷èòåëüíî ñíèçèëñÿ - à âîçðàñò ìåíîïàóçû íå èçìåíèëñÿ ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ ýïîõîé Äæåéí Ýéð


Íî çà ýòè ãîäû ìû õîðîøî åæåëè ðîæàåì äâîèõ - õîòÿ óáûëü ðåç÷àéøàÿ ïóëà ÿéöåêëåòîê èäåò ñ ðîæäåíüÿ. ÊÎÊ íå ñïàñåò ïóë ÿéöåêëåòîê è áîëåå òîãî , â ïåðèìåíîïàóçàëüíîì ïåðåõîäå ÊÎÊ óæå ïðîáëåìû.
Ìû íå âëàäååì ìåõàíèçìàìè îñòàíîâêè àïîïòîçà ÿéöåêëåòîê è áëîêàäà îâóëÿöèè íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ òàêîâûì - ôàêò ìåíòñòðóàöèè íå ðàâåí ôàêòó ìîëîäîñòè - íà ÊÎÊ ìîæíî ïîëó÷èòü ìåíñòðóàëüíî - ïîäîáíóþ ðåàêöèþ äàæå ó ïíÿ , åñëè ó íåãî åñòü ýíäîìåòðèé.
Ôàêò ïðèåìà ÊÎÊ ìîæåò ìàñêèðîâàòü ôàêò ïåðèìåíîïàóçû , ÑÏÊß , ãèïåðãîíàäîòðîïíîãî ãèïîãîíàäèçìà - è îíûå áóäóò âñêðûâàòüñÿ ïî îòìåíå êÎÊ è ïðèïèñûâàòüñÿ äàìàìè èìåííî ÊÎÊ
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 01.08.2012, 13:25
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,205
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,595 ðàç(à) çà 32,669 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ñïðàøèâàþ åùå è ïîòîìó, ÷òî ñàìà ïüþ èõ, ìåíÿ âñå óñòðàèâàåò, ìíå íðàâèòñÿ êîñìåòè÷åñêèé ýôôåêò (áîðîòüñÿ ñ ïðûùàìè â 31 ãîä êàê-òî íàäîåëî) è ïðîñòî îùóùåíèå áåçîïàñíîñòè, ïðè òîì, ÷òî ó ìåíÿ íåò ðåãóëÿðíîãî ñåêñà è êàêèõ-ëèáî îòíîøåíèé íà òåê. ìîìåíò âîîáùå. Íî ó ìåíÿ åñòü îïûò íåóäà÷íîé, à â ïîñëåäñòâèè ïðåðâàííîé áåðåìåííîñòè ñ õðîìîñîìíîé ïàòîëîãèåé (ýòî îòäåëüíàÿ òåìà, çäåñü ðàçâèâàòü íå áóäó). Ïîýòîìó ìíå íóæíî ïîíèìàòü, äåéñòâèòåëüíî ëè ó ÊÎÊ åñòü ïîäîáíûå äîñòîèíñòâà.

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Àáñîëþòíî ïðàâèëüíî - âû ðåøàåòå ïðîáëåìó íåæåëàòåëüíîé áåðåìåííîñòè , êîñìåòè÷åñêèå ïðîáëåìû , ïðîôèëàêòèêó ðàêà ÿè÷íèêà , à â íåêîòîðûõ ñëó÷àÿõ è ýíäîìåòðèÿ - íî ÊÎÊ íå äàåò ãàðàíòèè îòñóòñòâèÿ ñòîïóäîâîãî õðîìîñîìíîé àíîìàëèè ïëîäà ( ìèíèìàëüíûé äðàâûé ñìûñë ïîäñêàçûâàåò , ÷òî åùå êàêóþ-òî ðîëü èãðàåò ñïåðìàòîçîèä òîæå )
Âìåñòå ñ òåì áûëà îäíà ðàáîòà , ñ ìàëîé âûáîðêîé è íå âîñïðîèçâåäåííàÿ â äàëüíåéøåì êîòîðàÿ Âàì ïîíðàâèëàñü è ÷óäåñíî
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