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Ñòàðûé 09.11.2017, 06:31
Àâàòàð äëÿ ElenaSS11
ElenaSS11 ElenaSS11 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 07.06.2009
Ãîðîä: Èðêóòñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 311
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 39
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 62 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
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Ãèïåðêàëèåìèÿ

Æåíùèíà, 54 ãîäà.

Æàëîáû: îùóùåíèå "êîìêà" â ãîðëå, èíîãäà ñëàáîñòü (óòðîì, äíåì), íèçêîå ÀÄ (â ñðåäíåì 100/60). Òÿãó ê ñîëåíîìó - îòðèöàåò, âåñ ñòàáèëüíûé (íå ìåíÿëñÿ), ñòóë ðåãóëÿðíûé, ïðèåì ÁÀÄîâ è ëåêàðñòâ. ñðåäñòâ îòðèöàåò, ÎÐÂÈ ðåäêî.

Àíàìíåç: æàëîáû íà "êîìîê" äàâíî (áîëåå ãîäà). Íà ïðèåìå ñ ðåç-ìè îáñëåäîâàíèÿ ùèòîâ. æåëåçû.
Ïî ÓÇÈ (äåêàáðü 2016 ã.): V 4,1 ìë, îáðàçîâàíèé íåò, ÖÄÊ ñíèæåíî.
Àíàëèçû (èþíü 2017 ã.):
Ãîðìîíû: ÒÒà 0,5 ìêÌÅ/ìë, ñâ. Ò4 11,6 ïìîëü/ë
ÎÀÊ: ýð. 4,6; Hb 133 ã/ë, ëåé 7,6; ÑÎÝ 20 ìì/÷
Ãëþêîçà 5,5 ììîëü/ë, ÎÕÑ 5 ììîëü/ë, ÀËÒ 27 Åä/ë, ÀÑÒ 25 Åä/ë
Êîíñóëüòèðîâàíà ËÎÐ-âðà÷îì: Õðîíè÷åñêèé êàòàðàëüíûé íàçîôàðèíãèò, âÿëîòåêóùåå òå÷åíèå. Ðåêîìåíäîâàíî ÔÃÄÑ.

Àíàìíåç æèçíè: ðîäîâ 2, menses îòñóòñòâóþò ñ 45 ëåò (àìïóòàöèÿ ìàòêè ïî ïîâîäó ìèîìû). Ïåðåëîì êëþ÷èöû (ìåòàëëîêîíñòðóêöèÿ, 2012 ã.). Íå êóðèò.

Îáúåêòèâíî: ðîñò 170 ñì, âåñ 80 êã, ÈÌÒ 27,7
Êîæíûé ïîêðîâ òåìíûé, íîðì. âëàæíîñòè. Ãèïåðïèãìåòàöèÿ ëàäîííûõ ñêëàäîê (ï/îïåðàö. øâîâ è àðåîë ñîñêîâ - íåò).
Îâîëîñåíèå ïî æåíñêîìó òèïó (ïîäìûø. îáëàñòè, ëîáîê - ñîõðàííî)
Ùèòîâ. æåëåçà íå óâåëè÷åíà
ÀÄ íà ïðèåìå 113/75, ïóëüñ 74 óä/ìèí (â äðóãèå ïðèåìû 104/73, 113/73)
Îòåêîâ íåò

Äëÿ èñêëþ÷åíèÿ ÕÍÍ ðåêîìåíäîâàíû ýëåêòðîëèòû, êîðòèçîë óòðåííèé

Äîîáñëåäîâàíèå: êàëèé 5,7 ììîëü/ë (3,5-5,1), íàòðèé 147 ììîëü/ë (136-145), õëîð 107 ììîëü/ë (98-107), ãëþêîçà 4,9 ììîëüë, ÎÕÑ 8,2 ììîëü/ë
Êîðòèçîë 290,8 íìîëü/ë (171-536)

Ðåøèëà ïîâòîðèòü àíàëèçû åùå ðàç: êàëèé 5,4 ììîëü/ë (3,5-5,1), íàòðèé 146 ììîëü/ë (136-145), õëîð 106 ììîëü/ë (98-107)
Êîðòèçîë 352,2 íìîëü/ë, ÀÊÒÃ < 5,0 ïã/ìë (ìåíåå 46)

Äîïîëíèòåëüíî ïðîâåäåíà ÔÃÄÑ (ïî íàçíà÷åíèþ ËÎÐ-âðà÷à): êàíäèäîìèêîçíûé ýçîôàãèò. Íåäîñòàòî÷íîñòü êàðäèè è ïðèâðàòíèêà. Íåçíà÷èòåëüíî âûðàæåííûé ïîâåðõ. ãàñòðèò. Hp íå íàéäåí, ñìåøàííàÿ áàêòåðèàëüíàÿ ôëîðà, ýëåìåíòû ãðèáîâ êàíäèäà. Íà÷àò ïðèåì êåòîêîíàçîëà (íàçíà÷åíèå òåðàïåâòà ïî ì/æ, àíàëèçû ñäàâàëà äî íà÷àëà ëå÷åíèÿ)

Ñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ÕÍÍ ïî äàííûì àíàëèçàì ïîëó÷àåòñÿ èñêëþ÷åíà. Âîçìîæíà ëè çäåñü åùå äðóãàÿ ýíäîêðèííàÿ ïàòîëîãèÿ (âòîðè÷íàÿ ÍÍ òîæå èñêëþ÷åíà íîðìàëüíûì çíà÷åíèåì êîðòèçîëà?)?  ÷åì ìîæåò áûòü ïðè÷èíà ãèïåðêàëèåìèè?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 09.11.2017, 08:52
ELENA_VLAD ELENA_VLAD âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 6,957
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2,132 ðàç(à) çà 2,057 ñîîáùåíèé
ELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ÕÏÍ èñêëþ÷èëè? Íà ÝÊà ïðèçíàêè ãèïåðêàëèåìèè ïðèñóòñòâóþò?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 09.11.2017, 09:06
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Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 62 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
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Ñïàñèáî çà îòêëèê.

Ãîä íàçàä êðåàòèíèí 65.6 ìêìîëü/ë (â ýòîò ðàç äàííûõ íåò), ÎÀÌ (ìàðò 2017) â ïðåäåëàõ íîðìû (óä âåñ 1022, áåëêà íåò, ëåé 2-3 â ï/çð)

ÝÊÃ â êàðòå íåò (ÿ âûïèøó çàâòðà + êðåàòèíèí).

Åëåíà Âëàäèìèðîâíà, ìîæåò ÷òî-òî åùå íóæíî îïðåäåëèòü?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 09.11.2017, 12:34
Samitin Samitin âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Ñàðàòîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,224
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 8
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 765 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Samitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðî ãèïåðêàëåìèþ õîðîøî íàïèñàíî íà [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]:

Öèòàòà:
Renal function testing is important. If the patient has renal failure, the serum calcium level should be checked because hypocalcemia can exacerbate cardiac rhythm disturbances. Other tests include the following:

Electrocardiogram (ECG)
Urine potassium, sodium, and osmolality
Complete blood count (CBC)
Metabolic profile

Measurement of the trans-tubular potassium gradient (TTKG) remains widely used as a means of assessing whether decreased renal excretion of potassium is contributing to hyperkalemia. Despite its initial promise, however, recent research has called its accuracy into question, [59] and some experts now recommend that TTKG measurement be abandoned.

Depending on the clinical findings and the results of the above laboratory work, the following may be indicated:

  • Glucose level - In patients with known or suspected diabetes mellitus
  • Digoxin level - If the patient is on a digitalis medication
  • Arterial or venous blood gas - If acidosis is suspected Urinalysis - If signs of renal insufficiency without an already known cause are present (to look for evidence of glomerulonephritis)
  • Serum cortisol and aldosterone levels - To check for mineralocorticoid deficiency when other causes are eliminated
  • Serum uric acid and phosphorus assays - For tumor lysis syndrome
  • Serum creatinine phosphokinase (CPK) and calcium measurements - For rhabdomyolysis
  • Urine myoglobin test - For crush injury or rhabdomyolysis; suspect if urinalysis reveals blood in the urine but no red blood cells are seen on urine
  • microscopy
Ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, ïðîãðåññèâíîå ÷åëîâå÷åñòâî íå äèàãíîñòèðóåò ÕÍÍ ïî äèñêðåòíûì çíà÷åíèÿì ÀÊÒà è êîðòèçîëà - â õîäó òîëüêî ïðîáû...
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Ñòàðûé 09.11.2017, 17:22
Àâàòàð äëÿ ElenaSS11
ElenaSS11 ElenaSS11 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 07.06.2009
Ãîðîä: Èðêóòñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 311
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 39
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 62 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
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Âàñèëèé, ñïàñèáî. Íî ïðîáû äëÿ èñêëþ÷åíèÿ ÍÍ ïîäðàçóìåâàþò åå ïðîâåäåíèå â ñòàöèîíàðå. Ìîæíî ëè ñ èñõîäíûìè äàííûìè îòïðàâèòü åå â ýíäîêð.ñòàöèîíàð (ïîñëå èñêëþ÷åíèÿ ÕÁÏ)?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 09.11.2017, 17:30
Samitin Samitin âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 27.08.2009
Ãîðîä: Ñàðàòîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,224
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 8
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 765 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Samitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ÕÍÍ, â ìî¸ì ïîíèìàíèè, ïàòîëîãèÿ äîñòàòî÷íî òÿæ¸ëàÿ äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ïðèëîæèòü óñèëèÿ äëÿ å¸ ïîäòâåðæåíèÿ/èñêëþ÷åíèÿ ïðè íàëè÷èè êëèíè÷åñêîãî ïîäîçðåíèÿ...

Ïèùåâîå ïîñòóïëåíèå, êñòàòè, òîæå ñòîèò ó÷åñòü. Âäðóã ñóáúåêò ïîëüçóåòñÿ "ñîëüþ ïèùåâîé ñ ïîíèæåííûì ñîäåðæàíèåì íàòðèÿ"?

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 23.11.2017, 07:28
Àâàòàð äëÿ ElenaSS11
ElenaSS11 ElenaSS11 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 07.06.2009
Ãîðîä: Èðêóòñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 311
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 39
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 62 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
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Äîáðîå óòðî!
Ïðèøëè ðåçóëüòàòû:
ÎÀÌ: óä.âåñ 1015, áåëîê 0,026 ã/ë, ëåé 3-4 â ï/çð, ýïèò.êë 4-5
Êðåàòèíèí 78,8 ìêìîëü/ë, ÑÊÔ 73, ìî÷åâàÿ êèñëîòà 338,5 ìêìîëü/ë, êàëüöèé 2,34 ììîëü/ë, ÎÕÑ 7,1
ÝÊÃ: ðèòì ñèíóñîâûé, ÷ññ 67, íåïîëíàÿ áëîêàäà ïðàâîé íîæêè
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 23.11.2017, 07:32
Àâàòàð äëÿ ElenaSS11
ElenaSS11 ElenaSS11 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ãîðîä: Èðêóòñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 311
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 39
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 62 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
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Áóäó ïûòàòüñÿ ïðèñòðîèòü â ñòàöèîíàð äëÿ ïðîá...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 23.11.2017, 07:52
ELENA_VLAD ELENA_VLAD âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.07.2008
Ãîðîä: Êðàñíîÿðñê
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ELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âàøà ïàöèåíòêà íå èìååò êëèíè÷åñêèõ ïðèçíàêîâ ýëåêòðîëèòíûõ íàðóøåíèé. Ãèïîíàòðèåìèÿ, ñîïðÿæåííàÿ ñ ãèïåðêàëèåìèåé ïðè ÕÍÍ, îòñóòñòâóåò.
Ëàáîðàòîðíûõ ïðèçíàêîâ ÕÍÍ íåò.
Çà÷åì ãîñïèòàëèçàöèÿ è êàêèå ïðîáû Âû ñîáèðàåòåñü ïðîâîäèòü?
Îòïóñòèòå åå è ïðîâåðüòå êàëèé â äðóãîé ëàáîðàòîðèè ÷åðåç ïàðó ìåñÿöåâ.
Íàäåþñü, êàëèéñáåðåãàþùèõ äèóðåòèêîâ, ïèùêâûõ äîáàâîé îíà íå ïðèíèìàåò. Îòäåëüíî âçÿòûé ñèíäðîì íå ìîæåò áûòü ïðèçíàêîì çàáîëåâàíèÿ ýíäîêðèííîé ñèñòåìû.
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Àâàòàð äëÿ ElenaSS11
ElenaSS11 ElenaSS11 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 311
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 39
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 62 ðàç(à) çà 61 ñîîáùåíèé
ElenaSS11 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåElenaSS11 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñïàñèáî, ÿ ïîíÿëà. Ïðèåì ëåêàðñòâ è äîáàâîê îòðèöàåò .
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Ñòàðûé 23.11.2017, 10:49
Samitin Samitin âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Samitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSamitin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ñîîáùåíèå îò ELENA_VLAD Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ëàáîðàòîðíûõ ïðèçíàêîâ ÕÍÍ íåò.
Ïîæàëóé, òàê. Íî åñëè ðå÷ü èä¸ò î ÕÍÍ, êëèíèêà ïåðâè÷íà, à ýëåìåíòû ýòîé êëèíèêè åñòü. Ïðàâäà, ñèíàêòåí (äåïî...) ââåñòè, êàçàëîñü áû, ìîæíî è àìáóëàòîðíî.
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ELENA_VLAD ELENA_VLAD âíå ôîðóìà
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