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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 20.06.2003, 21:28
Àâàòàð äëÿ Vladlen
Vladlen Vladlen âíå ôîðóìà
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.05.2003
Ãîðîä: Israel
Ñîîáùåíèé: 413
Vladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âîïðîñû òàêòèêè - neonatal fever

Ïðåäëàãàþ íà÷àòü îáñóæäåíèå òàêòèêè âåäåíèÿ áîëüíûõ â ñòàíäàðòíûõ ñèòóàöèÿõ.
Íà÷íåì ñ ïðîñòîãî, íî äîâîëüíî ðàñïðîñòðàíåííîãî ñëó÷àÿ.
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Ñêàæåì, ðîäèòåëè ðåáåíêà, ðîäèâøåãîñÿ ñ âåñîì 3450 ã íà 40 íåäåëå íîðìàëüíî ïðîòåêàâøåé áåðåìåííîñòè, îáðàòèëèñü ê âàì ñïóñòÿ 3 íåäåëè ïîñëå ðîäîâ ïî ïîâîäó òîãî, ÷òî ó ìàëü÷èêà ðåêòàëüíàÿ òåìïèðàòóðà 38.8. Êàêîâà ïðèíÿòàÿ ó âàñ òàêòèêà âåäåíèÿ òàêîãî ñëó÷àÿ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #2  
Ñòàðûé 23.06.2003, 00:08
Àâàòàð äëÿ vlg_asb
vlg_asb vlg_asb âíå ôîðóìà
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 15.05.2003
Ãîðîä: Îìñê.
Ñîîáùåíèé: 163
vlg_asb ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvlg_asb ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvlg_asb ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvlg_asb ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvlg_asb ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåvlg_asb ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Evidance-Based òàêòèêà ïðè neonatal fever

Èìååòñÿ îñíîâàííàÿ íà äîêàçàòåëüñòâàõ èíñòðóêöèÿ ïî òàêòèêå âðà÷à â ïîäîáíûõ ñëó÷àÿõ.


[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Evidence Based Clinical Practice Guideline for Fever of Uncertain Source in infants 60 days of age or less Guideline 2
Copyright © 1998 Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center; all rights reserved.

1. Ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ ãîñïèòàëèçàöèÿ äëÿ îöåíêè, íàáëþäåíèÿ, è òåðàïèè âñåõ ìëàäåíöåâ äî 60 äíåâíîãî âîçðàñòà ïðè (ðåêòàëüíîé)òåìïåðàòóðå > 38 o C (100.4 o F).
2. Ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ ÷òîáû âñå ïàöèåíòû äî 60 äíåé âîçðàñòà, ðàññìàòðèâàëèñü êàíäèäàòàìè äëÿ òåðàïèè àíòèáèîòèêàìè.
3. Íàñòîÿòåëüíî ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ, ÷òîáû âñå ìëàäåíöû äî 60 äíåâíîãî âîçðàñòà ó êîòîðûõ íà÷àòà àíòèáèîòèêîòåðàïèÿ,
èìåëè ïîëíîå ëàáîðàòîðíîå îáñëåäîâàíèå â ïëàíå ñåïñèñà ,
âêëþ÷àÿ êóëüòóðû êðîâè, ñïèííîìîçãîâîé æèäêîñòè è ìî÷è, åñëè ýòè èññëåäîâàíèÿ íå áûëè ïðîâåäåíû ðàíåå.
4. Ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ, ÷òîáû ó âñåõ ìëàäåíöåâ áûë îöåíåí ðèñê èíôåêöèè ïðîñòîãî ãåðïåñà (HSV), ïóòåì ñáîðà àíàìíåçà è îñìîòðà. Äîïîëíèòåëüíî ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ, ÷òîáû
ó ìëàäåíöåâ ñ âûñîêîé âåðîÿòíîñòüþ HSV, áûëè ïðîâåäåíû
ëàáîðàòîðíûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ èëè íà÷àòà àíòèâèðóñíàÿ
òåðàïèÿ.

Ñì. òàêæå:

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]


Íàäåþñü, êîãäà-íèáóäü ìû âñå áóäåì ïðèäåðæèâàòüñÿ ýòîãî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #3  
Ñòàðûé 27.06.2003, 17:04
Àâàòàð äëÿ Vladlen
Vladlen Vladlen âíå ôîðóìà
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.05.2003
Ãîðîä: Israel
Ñîîáùåíèé: 413
Vladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðèñîåä. ôàéë â ñëåä. ïîñòå - ýòî êîðîòêàÿ ïðåçåíòàöèÿ, ïîñâÿùåííàÿ ñðàâíåíèþ 3-õ îñíîâíûõ òàêòè÷åñêèõ ïîäõîäîâ ê ðåáåíêó ïåðâûõ ìåñÿöåâ æèçíè ñ ïîâûøåííîé òåìïåðàòóðîé.
Ïî ñóòè äåëà ðå÷ü èäåò î ìèíèìàëüíîì íåîáõîäèìîì îáñëåäîâàíèè (âêëþ÷àÿ ò.í. sepsis workup) è î öåëåñîîáðàçíîñòè è ïðîäîëæèòåëüíîñòè à\á ëå÷åíèÿ.
Îòìå÷ó, ÷òî êðèòåðèè Ðî÷åñòåðà (ýòî óíèâåðñèòåòñêèé ãîðîäîê â ÑØÀ) íàèáîëåå ïîïóëÿðíû è íàèìåíåå àãðåññèâíû â ïëàíå àíàëèçîâ. Ìåñòî àíàëèçîâ â íèõ çàíèìàþò äàííûå àíàìíåçà.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #4  
Ñòàðûé 27.06.2003, 17:05
Àâàòàð äëÿ Vladlen
Vladlen Vladlen âíå ôîðóìà
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.05.2003
Ãîðîä: Israel
Ñîîáùåíèé: 413
Vladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåVladlen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #5  
Ñòàðûé 11.12.2004, 08:41
ant_fugue ant_fugue âíå ôîðóìà
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.07.2003
Ñîîáùåíèé: 46
ant_fugue ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Exclamation Fever in healthy newborns

Dear Dr. Vladlen,

In the scope of this discussion, could you please comment on this article? The timeline of the study is different (fever in healthy infants at 24-120 hours after birth) from the one you proposed, but I am wondering whether you think that the conclusions reached by the authors are valid.

Abstract:

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Full text:

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

 äàííîì èññëåäîâàíèè âðà÷è íàáëþäàëè çà 122 íîâîðîæä¸ííûìè ó êîòîðûõ íå áûëî ïðèçíàêîâ çàáîëåâàíèÿ êðîìå òåìïåðàòóðû êîòîðàÿ ïîäíÿëàñü ÷åðåç 24-120 ÷àñîâ ïîñëå ðîäîâ.  äàííîì èññëåäîâàíèè â ãðóïïó ïîïàëè äåòè ó êîòîðûõ íå áûëî êðîâè â ñòóëå, îáùåé
âÿëîñòè, ñëîæíîñòåé ñ äûõàíèåì, èëè ÿâíûõ ïðèçíàêîâ îáåçâîæèâàíèÿ.
Èç ãðóïïû â 122 ïàöèåíòîâ, òîëüêî ó ÎÄÍÎÃÎ áûëà íàéäåíà èíôåêöèÿ.

It is especially interesting in conjunction with this:

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

and the general rise of asthma in the modern population. What do you think?

Thank you,

ant_fugue (not a doctor, just a biochemist)
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #6  
Ñòàðûé 22.12.2004, 20:20
Àâàòàð äëÿ PIV
PIV PIV âíå ôîðóìà
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 03.10.2001
Ãîðîä: Russia
Ñîîáùåíèé: 131
PIV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Vladlen! How about banishment?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 22.12.2004, 20:24
ant_fugue ant_fugue âíå ôîðóìà
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.07.2003
Ñîîáùåíèé: 46
ant_fugue ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
If my comment was out of place, I apologize. Is the forum only for medical professionals, or do you have other issues with my comment?

Thank you,

ant_fugue


Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò PIV
Vladlen! How about banishment?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 23.12.2004, 00:57
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr. Makhotin
Dr. Makhotin Dr. Makhotin âíå ôîðóìà
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.10.2004
Ãîðîä: ã. Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 319
Dr. Makhotin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Makhotin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Makhotin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. Makhotin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè,

ÿ óâåðåí, ÷òî óðîâåíü çíàíèÿ èíîñòðàííûõ ÿçûêîâ ñðåäè ñïåöèàëèñòîâ â íàøåé îáëàñòè î÷åíü âûñîê, íî ÿ ïðîøó Âàñ ñòàðàòüñÿ ïèñàòü íà ðîäíîì äëÿ âñåõ ó÷àñòíèêîâ ôîðóìà ðóññêîì ÿçûêå. Èñêëþ÷åíèÿ âîçìîæíû ëèøü â îòíîøåíèè íàøèõ èíîñòðàííûõ êîëëåã, âñëåäñòâèå îòñóòñòâèÿ ðóññêîé ðàñêëàäêè, ñòðàíèöû è ò.ä.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 23.12.2004, 18:25
ant_fugue ant_fugue âíå ôîðóìà
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.07.2003
Ñîîáùåíèé: 46
ant_fugue ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò õîðîøóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Èçâèíèòå, ÿ îòâå÷àëà íà àíãëîÿçû÷íîå ïîñëàíèå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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