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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 11:41
Zetka Zetka âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 01.12.2005
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 29
Zetka *
Ôàðìàòåêñ è ïàòåíòåêñ îâàë

Íà óïàêîâêå óêàçàíî, ÷òî Ôàðìàòåêñ è ïàòåíòåêñ îâàë - íåãîðìîíàëüíûûå ñðåäñòâà êîíòðàöåïöèè... íî ìîÿ ïîäðóãà çíà÷èòåëüíî ïðèáàâèëà â âåñå ïîñëå 2-õ ëåò ïðèìåíåíèÿ ýòèõ ïðåïàðàòîâ (ðàöèîí ïèòàíèÿ è îáðàç æèçíè íå èçìåíèëñÿ). Îíà óâåðåíà, ÷òî ýòè ñðåäñòâà ãîðìîíàëüíûå. Òàê ëè ýòî? È ìîæíî ëè èõ ïðèìåíÿòü â òå÷åíèå íåñêîëüêèõ ëåò?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #2  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 18:10
Àâàòàð äëÿ DrSusha
DrSusha DrSusha âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ãîðîä äîæäåé
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,503
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 130 ðàç(à) çà 120 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 4
DrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Zetka
Íà óïàêîâêå óêàçàíî, ÷òî Ôàðìàòåêñ è ïàòåíòåêñ îâàë - íåãîðìîíàëüíûûå ñðåäñòâà êîíòðàöåïöèè... íî ìîÿ ïîäðóãà çíà÷èòåëüíî ïðèáàâèëà â âåñå ïîñëå 2-õ ëåò ïðèìåíåíèÿ ýòèõ ïðåïàðàòîâ (ðàöèîí ïèòàíèÿ è îáðàç æèçíè íå èçìåíèëñÿ). Îíà óâåðåíà, ÷òî ýòè ñðåäñòâà ãîðìîíàëüíûå. Òàê ëè ýòî? È ìîæíî ëè èõ ïðèìåíÿòü â òå÷åíèå íåñêîëüêèõ ëåò?
Ïðèíöèï äåéñòâèÿ âñåõ ñïåðìèöèäîâ (Ïàòåíòåêñ îâàë, Ôàðìàòåêñ è äð.) îñíîâàí íà õèìè÷åñêîì èëè õèìèêî-áèîëîãè÷åñêîì ïîäàâëåíèè àêòèâíîñòè ñïåðìàòîçîèäîâ.
Ôàðìàòåêñ- Áåíçàëêîíèóì õëîðèä
Ïàòåíòåêñ- Íîí-îêñèëîí-9
Ê ãîðìîíàì ýòè âåùåñòâà íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ íå èìåþò.
Èùèòå ïðè÷èíó ïðèáàâêè âåñà â äðóãîì.
Äàííûå ïðåïàðàòû ìîæíî ïðèìåíÿòü äëèòåëüíîå âðåìÿ, åñòü åùå îäèí î÷åíü ïîëåçíûé ýôôåêò - îäíîâðåìåííî ñ ïðîòèâîçà÷àòî÷íûì ýôôåêòîì -ñïîñîáíû óíè÷òîæàòü ïàòîãåííóþ ôëîðó (âêëþ÷àÿ ÂÈ×), íå ïîäàâëÿÿ íîðìàëüíîé âëàãàëèùíîé ôëîðû.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #3  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 18:22
Àâàòàð äëÿ nata-k
nata-k nata-k âíå ôîðóìà
ãåíåòèê
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.12.2004
Ãîðîä: Ëüâiâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,327
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,876 ðàç(à) çà 1,791 ñîîáùåíèé
nata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìånata-k ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âîò ïðî ÂÈ× âû, ïî-ìîåìó, ïðèóâeëè÷èâàåòå.
Ýòè ñðåäñòâà õîðîøè äëÿ ïðåäîõðàíåíèÿ îò áåðåìåííîñòè, íî íå îò çàáîëåâàíèé (ïðè ñëó÷àéíûõ ïîëîâûõ ñâÿçÿõ, íàïðèìåð). Ðàçâå íåò?

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
yananshs îäîáðèë(à):
Dobro îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #4  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 18:44
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dobro
Dobro Dobro âíå ôîðóìà
çàáàíåí
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.09.2003
Ñîîáùåíèé: 466
Dobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò doctorka
åñòü åùå îäèí î÷åíü ïîëåçíûé ýôôåêò - îäíîâðåìåííî ñ ïðîòèâîçà÷àòî÷íûì ýôôåêòîì -ñïîñîáíû óíè÷òîæàòü ïàòîãåííóþ ôëîðó (âêëþ÷àÿ ÂÈ×), íå ïîäàâëÿÿ íîðìàëüíîé âëàãàëèùíîé ôëîðû.
Ïðîñòèòå, íî ýòî íå òàê. Ýòî - äåçèíôîðìàöèÿ. Ïðè÷åì äîâîëüíî îïàñíàÿ. Äëÿ ïðåäîõðàíåíèÿ îò èíôåêöèé èñïîëüçóþò ïðåçåðâàòèâû.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Lord Vader îäîáðèë(à): âîò òóò Âû ñîâåðøåííî ïðàâû
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #5  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 19:03
Àâàòàð äëÿ DrSusha
DrSusha DrSusha âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ãîðîä äîæäåé
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,503
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 130 ðàç(à) çà 120 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 4
DrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ß ðàáîòàþ â êëèíèêå, êîòîðàÿ ñïåöèàëèçèðóåòñÿ íà ñðåäñòâàõ êîíòðàöåïöèè, óæå áîëüøå 10 ëåò. Ìíîãî÷èñëåííûå íàáëþäåíèÿ ïîêàçûâàþò, ÷òî ó æåíùèí, êîòîðûå ïîëüçóþòñÿ ñïåðìèöèäàìè, ãîðàçäî ðåæå âûÿâëÿåòñÿ è ñêðûòàÿ èíôåêöèÿ, è áàíàëüíûå êîëüïèòû îáõîäÿò ñòîðîíîé.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îäíà èç ôðàç òàì çâó÷èò ïðèáëèçèòåëüíî òàê:Benzalkonium ìîùíûé àíòèñåïòèê, êîòîðûé ìîæåò ñíèæàòü àãðåññèâíîñòü âîçáóäèòåëåé çàáîëåâàíèé, ïåðåäàþùèõñÿ ïîëîâûì ïóòåì, íå íàðóøàÿ ïðè ýòîì åñòåñòâåííóþ ìèêðîôëîðó âëàãàëèùà.

Ïî ïîâîäó ÂÈ× - ÿ ïðèâåëà äàííûå ïðîèçâîäèòåëÿ. Õîòÿ äåéñòâèòåëüíî, ìíîãèå ýòî îñïàðèâàþò.

Âîò åùå ññûëî÷êà: [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #6  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 19:23
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dobro
Dobro Dobro âíå ôîðóìà
çàáàíåí
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.09.2003
Ñîîáùåíèé: 466
Dobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ýòîãî íåäîñòàòî÷íî ÷òîáû ðåêîìåíäîâàòü æåíùèíàì âûøåóêàçàííûé ïðåïàðàò êàê ñðåäñòâî, çàùèùàþùåå îò èíôåêöèé. Îñîáåííî îò HIV, ó÷èòûâàÿ ìàñøòàá ðàñïîñòðàíåííîñòè èíôèöèðîâàíèÿ â Ðîññèè. Èíòåðåñíî, çíàåò ëè ÂÎÇ î áåçîòâåòñòâåííûõ çàÿâëåíèÿõ ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé? Ìîæåò, ýòî îäíà èç ïðè÷èí ðîñòà çàáîëåâàåìîñòè ÑÏÈÄ â Ðîññèè?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #7  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 19:31
Àâàòàð äëÿ DrSusha
DrSusha DrSusha âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ãîðîä äîæäåé
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,503
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 130 ðàç(à) çà 120 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 4
DrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dobro
Ýòîãî íåäîñòàòî÷íî ÷òîáû ðåêîìåíäîâàòü æåíùèíàì âûøåóêàçàííûé ïðåïàðàò êàê ñðåäñòâî, çàùèùàþùåå îò èíôåêöèé. Îñîáåííî îò HIV, ó÷èòûâàÿ ìàñøòàá ðàñïîñòðàíåííîñòè èíôèöèðîâàíèÿ â Ðîññèè. Èíòåðåñíî, çíàåò ëè ÂÎÇ î áåçîòâåòñòâåííûõ çàÿâëåíèÿõ ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé? Ìîæåò, ýòî îäíà èç ïðè÷èí ðîñòà çàáîëåâàåìîñòè ÑÏÈÄ â Ðîññèè?
Íèêòî ýòîò ïðåïàðàò íå ðåêîìåíäîâàë êàê ïðåïàðàò äëÿ çàùèòû îò èíôåêöèé-ýòî âû ÷òî òî ïðèäóìàëè, ïðîñòî áûë îòìå÷åí åùå îäèí ïîëåçíûé ýôôåêò.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Gallen îäîáðèë(à): Ñîãëàñåí. Íå íàäî ïîäìåíÿòü ïîêàçàíèÿ.
Tfeen îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 19:39
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dobro
Dobro Dobro âíå ôîðóìà
çàáàíåí
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.09.2003
Ñîîáùåíèé: 466
Dobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDobro ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êîòîðûé ñóùåñòâóåò â îñíîâíîì â óìàõ ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 19:48
Àâàòàð äëÿ DrSusha
DrSusha DrSusha âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.03.2005
Ãîðîä: Ãîðîä äîæäåé
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,503
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 130 ðàç(à) çà 120 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 4
DrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDrSusha ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dobro
Êîòîðûé ñóùåñòâóåò â îñíîâíîì â óìàõ ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé.
Åñëè ðàññóæäàòü òàêæå êàê è ÂÛ, òî âîîáùå, ïî ëîãèêå âåùåé, âñå ëåêàðñòâà è èõ ýôôåêòû â óìàõ ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé!!
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 19:49
Gallen Gallen âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.07.2002
Ãîðîä: UA
Ñîîáùåíèé: 6,085
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 568 ðàç(à) çà 534 ñîîáùåíèé
Gallen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGallen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGallen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGallen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGallen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGallen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGallen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGallen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGallen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGallen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGallen ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñòîï. Ïðîñòèòå õèðóðãà, íî êàæåòñÿ ðå÷ü èä¸ò íå î ïðåïàðàòå, ïðåäîõðàíÿþùåì îò èíôåêöèé, à î ïðîòèâîçà÷àòî÷íîì ñðåäñòâå, ñïîñîáíûì (õîòü òåîðåòè÷åñêè, õîòü èíâèòðî) îáëåã÷èòü îðãàíèçìó áîðüáó ñî ñëó÷àéíîé èíôåêöèåé. Ïðîñòî ñèìóëüòàííî, ò.ñ., "çà îäíî".
Ò.å. åñëè æåíùèíå äðóãèå ñðåäñòâà ïðåäîõðàíåíèÿ îò ÁÅÐÅÌÅÍÍÎÑÒÈ íå íðàâÿòñÿ, íå ïîäõîäÿò (ïî ðàçíûì ïðè÷èíàì) òî "ëèøàòü å¸ ýòîãî ñðåäñòâà (ìîë, íè÷åãî îíî íå óáèâàåò ÂÈ×) - çíà÷èò ïîâåðíóòü å¸ íà ïóòü, íàïðèìåð, ôèçèîëîãè÷åñêîé êîíòðàöåïöèè (èëè äàæå àíòèôèçèîëîãè÷åñêîé), ÷òî ìîæåò ïðèâåñòè ê íåæåëàòåëüíîé áåðåìåííîñòè, àáîðòó, îñëîæíåíèÿì àáîðòà, áåñïëîäèþ...

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
DrSusha îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 20:06
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.02.2003
Ãîðîä: NY
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,664
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 15
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 56 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïîýòîìó è íóæíî ãîâîðèòü îá ýòîì ïðåïàðàòå êàê î ïðîòèâîçà÷àòî÷íîì, è íå óïîìèíàòü îá HIV. Ëó÷øå ðàññêàçàòü íàñêîëüêî åãî ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ìåíüøå/áîëüøå ÎÊ è IUD. Áåçîïàñíîñòü òîæå ìîæíî ñðàâíèòü.
Sorry.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #12  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 20:31
E.E. Studentsov E.E. Studentsov âíå ôîðóìà
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 29.06.2003
Ãîðîä: New York, USA
Ñîîáùåíèé: 834
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6 ðàç(à) çà 4 ñîîáùåíèé
E.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìàÿ Zetka,
Èçáèðàòåëüíàÿ òîêñè÷íîñòü õëîðèäà áåíçàëêîíèÿ íà ïàòîãåííóþ ôëîðó - íå äîêàçàííûé íàó÷íûé ôàêò.


ÈÍÔÎÐÌÀÖÈß ÄËß ÂÐÀ×ÅÉ:
Effects of multiple applications of benzalkonium chloride and nonoxynol 9 on the vaginal epithelium in the pigtailed macaque (Macaca nemestrina)

Dorothy L. Patton PhDa, Gretchen Ganzle Kiddera, Yvonne Cosgrove Sweeneya, Lorna K. Rabeb and Sharon L. Hillier PhDb

Seattle, Washington, and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
From the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, University of Washington,a and the Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences, University of Pittsburgh/Magee-Womens Hospital.b

Abstract
Objective: Safe and effective vaginally applied microbicides could help to control the continuing spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Study Design: This study used nonhuman primates to test the effects of multiple applications of nonoxynol 9, benzalkonium chloride, or a combination on vaginal flora and lower reproductive tract tissues. Fourteen monkeys (Macaca nemestrina) received daily vaginal applications of nonoxynol 9, benzalkonium chloride, or both for 3 to 4 days. Vaginal microflora and colposcopic observations were made at baseline and during and after completion of treatments. Cervical biopsy specimens were collected from a subset of animals. Results: Cervical erythema and vaginal erythema were observed in all 3 treatment groups. Cervical papillae and epithelial disruption were present in both the nonoxynol 9 and the nonoxynol 9 plus benzalkonium chloride groups. Vaginal epithelial disruption was noted in both the benzalkonium chloride and the nonoxynol 9 plus benzalkonium chloride groups. Cervical biopsy specimens from each group revealed acute inflammatory infiltrates with occasional plasma cells and lymphoid follicles. Detection of most microorganisms, including viridans streptococci, decreased in the benzalkonium chloride and the nonoxynol 9 plus benzalkonium chloride groups. Detection of Lactobacillus species decreased in the benzalkonium chloride group. All microflora levels recovered after several days without microbicide use. Conclusions: Although nonoxynol 9 is currently the only microbicide approved for use as a spermicide in the United States, its repeated use may be detrimental to the epithelial tissues of the female reproductive tract. Benzalkonium chloride, currently approved for use in other countries, not only may damage epithelial tissues but also appears to reduce the population of potentially protective Lactobacillus species in the vagina. (Am J Obstet Gynecol 1999;180:1080-7.)
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 21:15
Àâàòàð äëÿ Lord Vader
Lord Vader Lord Vader âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
çàáàíåí
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 18.10.2005
Ãîðîä: Äàëåêàÿ ãàëàêòèêà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 188
Lord Vader ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòâðàòèòåëüíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò doctorka
Ïàòåíòåêñ- Íîí-îêñèëîí-9
Äàííûå ïðåïàðàòû ìîæíî ïðèìåíÿòü äëèòåëüíîå âðåìÿ, åñòü åùå îäèí î÷åíü ïîëåçíûé ýôôåêò - îäíîâðåìåííî ñ ïðîòèâîçà÷àòî÷íûì ýôôåêòîì -ñïîñîáíû óíè÷òîæàòü ïàòîãåííóþ ôëîðó (âêëþ÷àÿ ÂÈ×), íå ïîäàâëÿÿ íîðìàëüíîé âëàãàëèùíîé ôëîðû.
Íåñêîëüêî ñòàòåé î íåýôôåêòèâíîñòè íîíêñèíîëà-9 ïðè ÈÏÏÏ

Ãåëü íîíîêñèíîë îêàçàëñÿ íåýôôåêòèâåí äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè çàáîëåâàíèé, ïåðåäàþùèõñÿ ïîëîâûì ïóòåì
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Nonoxynol-9 spermicide for prevention of vaginally acquired HIV and other sexually transmitted infections: systematic review and meta-analysis of randomised controlled trials including more than 5000 women.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

N-9 cannot be recommended for HIV and STI prevention.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 21:20
E.E. Studentsov E.E. Studentsov âíå ôîðóìà
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 29.06.2003
Ãîðîä: New York, USA
Ñîîáùåíèé: 834
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6 ðàç(à) çà 4 ñîîáùåíèé
E.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåE.E. Studentsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûé Ëîðä,

Ìíå òîëüêî ÷òî ñäåëàëè çàìå÷àíèå (âåñüìà ñïðàâåäëèâîå), ÷òî íå ñëåäóåò çàãðóæàòü ïàöèåíòà àíãëîÿçû÷íûìè ññûëêàìè (òåì áîëåå èç íàó÷íûõ ðàáîò). Äàâàéòå ïåðåíåñ¸ì òåìó â äðóãîå ìåñòî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 21:22
Àâàòàð äëÿ Lord Vader
Lord Vader Lord Vader âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
çàáàíåí
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 18.10.2005
Ãîðîä: Äàëåêàÿ ãàëàêòèêà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 188
Lord Vader ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòâðàòèòåëüíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò E.E. Studentsov
Óâàæàåìûé Ëîðä,

Ìíå òîëüêî ÷òî ñäåëàëè çàìå÷àíèå (âåñüìà ñïðàâåäëèâîå), ÷òî íå ñëåäóåò çàãðóæàòü ïàöèåíòà àíãëîÿçû÷íûìè ññûëêàìè (òåì áîëåå èç íàó÷íûõ ðàáîò). Äàâàéòå ïåðåíåñ¸ì òåìó â äðóãîå ìåñòî.
îäíà ðóññêîÿçû÷íàÿ (ñïåöèàëüíî èñêàë)
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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