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Ñòàðûé 25.11.2009, 01:59
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,976
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Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Çíà÷èööà, ÿ îøèáàëñÿ ïî ïîâîäó ñëó÷àéíîñòè, íî áûë ïðàâ, ÷òî òî÷êè íå áûëè ïåðâè÷íûìè...

Âîò åùå òàêîé òðàéë:

Lancet. 2008 Oct 18;372(9647):1385-93. Epub 2008 Sep 25.

Effect of candesartan on progression and regression of retinopathy in type 2 diabetes (DIRECT-Protect 2): a randomised placebo-controlled trial.
Sjølie AK, Klein R, Porta M, Orchard T, Fuller J, Parving HH, Bilous R, Chaturvedi N; DIRECT Programme Study Group.


BACKGROUND: Diabetic retinopathy remains a leading cause of visual loss in people of working age. We examined whether candesartan treatment could slow the progression and, secondly, induce regression of retinopathy in people with type 2 diabetes. METHODS: We did a randomised, double-blind, parallel-group, placebo-controlled trial in 309 centres worldwide. We recruited normoalbuminuric, normotensive, or treated hypertensive people with type 2 diabetes with mild to moderately severe retinopathy and assigned them to candesartan 16 mg once a day or placebo. After a month, the dose was doubled to 32 mg once per day. Investigators and patients were unaware of the treatment allocation status. Progression of retinopathy was the primary endpoint, and regression was a secondary endpoint. Analysis was by intention to treat. The trial is registered with ClinicalTrials.gov, number NCT00252694. FINDINGS: 1905 participants (aged 37-75 years) were randomised to candesartan (n=951) or placebo (n=954). 161 (17%) patients in the candesartan group and 182 (19%) in the placebo group had progression of retinopathy by three steps or more on the Early Treatment Diabetic Retinopathy Study scale. The risk of progression of retinopathy was non-significantly reduced by 13% in patients on candesartan compared with those on placebo (hazard ratio [HR] 0.87, 95% CI 0.70-1.08, p=0.20). Regression on active treatment was increased by 34% (1.34, 1.08-1.68, p=0.009). HRs were not attenuated by adjustment for baseline risk factors or changes in blood pressure during the trial. An overall change towards less severe retinopathy by the end of the trial was observed in the candesartan group (odds 1.17, 95% CI 1.05-1.30, p=0.003). Adverse events did not differ between the treatment groups. INTERPRETATION: Treatment with candesartan in type 2 diabetic patients with mild to moderate retinopathy might induce improvement of retinopathy.
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #62  
Ñòàðûé 25.11.2009, 12:27
Incerta Incerta âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Ñåðôåð
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.11.2009
Ãîðîä: Moscow
Ñîîáùåíèé: 8
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Incerta *
Ýòî èññëåäîâàíèå òîæå ìíå ïîïàäàëîñü, ê ñîæàëåíèþ íå ïîêàçàëî äîñòîâåðíîãî âëèÿíèÿ íà ðåòèíîïàòèþ. Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷, à â Åâðîïå è ÑØÀ ïåíòîêñèôèëèí âîîáùå ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ èëè ýòî îïÿòü íàøà Ðîññèéñêàÿ òðàäèöèÿ (êàê àêòîâåãèí, ñóëîäåêñèä)? ß âñòðå÷àëà íà ôîðóìå âîïðîñû ïî òðåíòàëó, íîîòâåòîâ íå íàøëà.
Åñòü ëè êàêèå òî äîñòîâåðíûå äàííûå ÷òî îí ïîêàçàí/íå ïîêàçàí ïðè äèàáåòè÷åñêîé ðåòèíîïàòèè?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #63  
Ñòàðûé 25.11.2009, 18:31
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,976
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,500 ðàç(à) çà 31,836 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Òðåíòàë êàê ëåêàðñòâî èçâåñòåí î÷åíü äàâíî, åùå ñ äîÅÁÌíûõ âðåìåí è âñå èññëåäîâàíèÿ ïî íåìó ïðîâîäèëèñü â òå âðåìåíà, êîãäà ê òðàéëàì áûëè äðóãèå òðåáîâàíèÿ. Ïîýòîìó íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü íåò íè îäíîãî äîêàçàííîãî ïîêàçàíèÿ äëÿ åãî ïðèìåíåíèÿ â ìåäèöèíå. Èìåþòñÿ îòäåëüíûå ýíòóçèàñòû, êîòîðûå ïîêàçûâàþò åãî ïîëüçó, íàïð. ïðè äèàáåòè÷åñêîé íåôðîïàòèè (ñíèæàåò àëüáóìèíóðèþ) èëè ïðè íåàëêîãîëüíûõ ãåïàòîçàõ.

Åñòü èññëåäîâàíèÿ, ïîêàçûâàþùèå åãî ïîëüçó ïðè äèàáåòè÷åñêîé ðåòèíîïàòèè, íî íåò èññëåäîâàíèé, äîêàçûâàþùèõ åãî ïîëüçó â ïëàíå ïðîãíîçà çàáîëåâàíèÿ.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Rameyka îäîáðèë(à):
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #64  
Ñòàðûé 26.11.2009, 23:45
Incerta Incerta âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Ñåðôåð
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.11.2009
Ãîðîä: Moscow
Ñîîáùåíèé: 8
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Incerta *
Ïðî÷ëà íà ôîðóìå ìíîãî ïîëîæèòåëüíîãî ïðî ïåíòîêñèôèëèí. Ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ îí ïðè ëå÷åíèè äèàáåòè÷åñêîé ðåòèíîïàòèè â Àíãëèè, Ãåðìàíèè, è äðóãèõ ñòðàíàõ çàïàäíîé Åâðîïû è â ÑØÀ? Âõîäèò îí â ãàéäëàéíû ïî ëå÷åíèþ ÄÐ ýòèõ ñòðàí?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #65  
Ñòàðûé 27.11.2009, 10:08
Rameyka Rameyka âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Rameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåRameyka ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ïîñìîòðèòå äèñêóññèþ, íàäåþñü , ññûëêà îòêðîåòñÿ. Èñ÷åðïûâàþùàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
opto_dive îäîáðèë(à): çà ññûëêó ñïàñèáî.. *Solvay - ðàññàäíèê êîìïüþòåðíîãî çðèòåëüíîãî ñèíäðîìà ñ òàêèì øðèôòîì è ðàñïîëîæåíèåì íà ñòðàíèöå
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #66  
Ñòàðûé 28.11.2009, 18:24
opto_dive opto_dive âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Ðîññèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,573
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 100
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 460 ðàç(à) çà 445 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 3
opto_dive ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåopto_dive ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåopto_dive ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåopto_dive ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåopto_dive ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåopto_dive ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåopto_dive ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåopto_dive ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåopto_dive ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåopto_dive ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Incerta Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Äîáðûé äåíü êîëëåãè!
Õî÷ó ïðèñîåäèíèòüñÿ ê äèñêóññèè î äîêàçàòåëüíîé áàçå â îôòàëüìîëîãèè. Íà ñàéòå [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] íàøëà èíòåðåñíûå äàííûå âåçäå ñëîâà "Significantly reduces"
Áûë ëè ó Âàñ îïûò ïðèìåíåíèÿ ôåíîôèáðàòà?

Analyses of the results show that fenofibrate:.............
òàêæå íàäî äîáàâèòü, ÷òî
Öèòàòà:
(FIELD) study was conducted in 9795 patients aged 50-75 from Australia, New Zealand and Finland with type 2 diabetes

Several other endpoints did not differ significantly between groups such as the occurrence of new retinopathy, of hard exudates or worsening in visual acuity.
Ñ ó÷åòîì òîãî, ÷òî ïðè ÑÄ 2òèïà èçáûòî÷íàÿ ìàññà òåëà âçàèìîñâÿçàíà (âëèÿåò îäíî íà äðóãîå â îáîèõ íàïðàâëåíèÿõ) ñ ðåçèñòåíòíîñòüþ ê èíñóëèíó - äèçàéí ñîñòàâëåí, ÷òîáû ìàêñèìàëüíî âûÿâèòü ïîçèòèâ.
Ìîå ìíåíèå, âñå åùå ñòàíäàðò "äëÿ äèàáåòè÷åñêîé ðåòèíîïàòèè - êîíòðîëü ãëèêåìèè è ëàçåðíîå ëå÷åíèå ïî ïîêàçàíèÿì". Ïîýòîìó ïîçèòèâ åñòü, íî ñòîèìîñòü... è ïîêàçàíèé íåîáõîäèìî ïðèäåðæèâàòüñÿ. Ñ óâàæåíèåì.
P.S. Inñerta - äëÿ îáñóæäåíèÿ: ïî÷åìó óìåíüøàåòñÿ íåîáõîäèìîñòü â ïðîâåäåíèè ËÊ, íî íå âûÿâëÿåòñÿ ðàçíèöû â óõóäøåíèè îñòðîòû çðåíèÿ â ðåçóëüòàòå íàáëþäåíèÿ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #67  
Ñòàðûé 28.11.2009, 20:30
Àâàòàð äëÿ reopoliglucin
reopoliglucin reopoliglucin âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ãîðîä: ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,164
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 19
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 11 ðàç(à) çà 11 ñîîáùåíèé
reopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåreopoliglucin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò ELENA_VLAD Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
ß ñïðàøèâàëà ÿ íå ñòîëüêî î ïîëüçå (ïåíòîêñèôèëëèíà íåò â ðåêîìåíäàöèÿõ ýíäîêðèíîëîãîâ ìíîãî ëåò, ÿ ýòî çíàþ), ñêîëüêî î âðåäå ÂÍÓÒÐÈÂÅÍÍÎÃÎ ââåäåíèÿ ýòîãî ïðåïàðàòà ïðè ïðå è ïðîëèôåðàòèâíîé ðåòèíîïàòèè. Ñàìà äèñêóññèÿ ïîäòâåðæäàåò îòñóòñòâèå äîêàçàòåëüíîé áàçû. Áîëüíûå ÑÄ ëþáÿò ïîëó÷àòü Êàïåëüíèöû äëÿ "÷èñòêè ñîñóäîâ" è ñàìè âðà÷è èäóò ó íèõ íà ïîâîäó. Îòñóòñòâèå ïîëüçû ÿñíî. À âîò âðåä?
÷èòàÿ äàííóþ äèñêóññèþ ïðèïîìíèë ÿ ïðîøëûå ãîäû (ëåò 10-8 íàçàä), êîãäà ÿ çàíèìàëñÿ äèàáåòè÷åñêîé ñòîïîé. Ïàöèåíòû ñ ìèêðî- ìàêðîàíãèîïàòèÿìè òðàäèöèîííî ïîëó÷àëè "ñîñóäèñòóþ òåðàïèèþ" ò. å. ðåîïîëèãëþêèí + ïåíòîêñèôèëëèí. Çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì ñëó÷àåâ êîãäà ó áîëüíîãî âûÿâëåííà ðåòèíîïàòèÿ (õîòÿ, êîíå÷íî îíà áûëà ïî÷òè ó âñåõ, íî ñòïåíü ðàçíàÿ). Åñëè íå ïðåäóñìàòðèâàòü ýòîãî- ïîëó÷àëè ãåìîððàãè÷åñêèå îñëîæíåíèÿ. Ïîìíþ òàêèå ñëó÷àè. Íå ÅÁÌ êàíåø.

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ELENA_VLAD ELENA_VLAD âíå ôîðóìà
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ELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåELENA_VLAD ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ñòàðûé 02.01.2010, 21:37
Rameyka Rameyka âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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