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  #46  
Ñòàðûé 13.06.2010, 15:36
Àâàòàð äëÿ Sereda Andrey
Sereda Andrey Sereda Andrey âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.04.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,318
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,239 ðàç(à) çà 1,137 ñîîáùåíèé
Sereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ðîññèéñêèå êëèíè÷åñêèå ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî äèàãíîñòèêå, ëå÷åíèþ è ïðîôèëàêòèêå âåíîçíûõ òðîìáîýìáîëè÷åñêèõ îñëîæíåíèé ìîæíî ñêà÷àòü òóò
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  #47  
Ñòàðûé 29.08.2010, 16:46
Àâàòàð äëÿ Sereda Andrey
Sereda Andrey Sereda Andrey âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.04.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,318
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,239 ðàç(à) çà 1,137 ñîîáùåíèé
Sereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Îïòèìèçàöèÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè òðîìáîýìáîëè÷åñêèõ îñëîæíåíèé ïðè ýíäîïðîòåçèðîâàíèè òàçîáåäðåííîãî ñóñòàâà : àâòîðåô. äèñ. ... êàíä. ìåä. íàóê : 14.00.27. - M, 2009.
  #48  
Ñòàðûé 19.11.2010, 20:06
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 1
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
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Õî÷ó çàìåòèòü, óâàæàåìûé Àíäðåé, ÷òî àñïèðèí íå àíòèêîàãóëÿíò, à àíòèàãðåãàíò. Ýòî î÷åíü âàæíî!
  #49  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2011, 12:09
BukinaOV BukinaOV âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.07.2010
Ãîðîä: Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 150
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 26 ðàç(à) çà 26 ñîîáùåíèé
BukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Sereda Andrey Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Àöåòèëñàëèöèëîâàÿ êèñëîòà (Àñïèðèí) - ïðîñòîé, íåäîðîãîé îðàëüíûé àíòèêîàãóëÿíò, äëÿ êîòîðîãî íå íóæåí ìîíèòîðèíã. Îí ÷ðåçâû÷àéíî áåçîïàñåí è, êðîìå òîãî, îáëàäàåò åùå îäíèì âåñüìà öåííûì ýôôåêòîì – óìåíüøàåò ðèñê ãåòåðîòîïè÷åñêîé îññèôèêàöèè. Áîëüøèíñòâî èññëåäîâàíèé ïîêàçûâàåò, ÷òî àñïèðèí ìåíåå ýôôåêòèâåí, ÷åì ÍÌà è âàðôàðèí [66, 93], íî ìîæåò îáåñïå÷èâàòü äîñòàòî÷íóþ ïðîôèëàêòèêó ÒÝËÀ â òîì ñëó÷àå, åñëè îí èñïîëüçóåòñÿ â êîìáèíàöèè ñ ìåõàíè÷åñêîé ïðîôèëàêòèêîé. Westrich è ñîàâòîðû [104] â ðàíäîìèçèðîâàííîì êîíòðîëèðóåìîì èññëåäîâàíèè ñðàâíèâàë ïðîôèëàêòèêó ÍÌà â îäíîé ãðóïïå è ìåõàíè÷åñêóþ êîìïðåññèþ ñ èñïîëüçîâàíèåì àñïèðèíà â äðóãîé ãðóïïå. ×àñòîòà ÒÃÂ, îáíàðóæåííûõ ïî äàííûì ÓÇÈ â ãðóïïàõ ñóùåñòâåííî íå ðàçëè÷àëàñü, ÷òî îçíà÷àåò ðàâíóþ ýôôåêòèâíîñòü áîëåå áåçîïàñíîé êîìáèíàöèè àñïèðèíà è ìåõàíè÷åñêîé êîìïðåññèè ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ àãðåññèâíîé ïðîôèëàêòèêîé àíòèêîàãóëÿíòàìè.
Ïîçâîëüòå íå ñîãëàñèòüñÿ.

Öèòàòà:
VenaFlow plus Lovenox vs VenaFlow plus aspirin for thromboembolic disease prophylaxis in total knee arthroplasty.
Westrich GH, Bottner F, Windsor RE, Laskin RS, Haas SB, Sculco TP.
Hospital for Special Surgery-Weill Medical College, Cornell University, New York City, New York, USA.
Abstract
Two hundred seventy-five patients undergoing unilateral total knee arthroplasty were prospectively randomized to receive spinal epidural anesthesia (SEA), a VenaFlow calf compression device, and enoxaparin (group A) or SEA, VenaFlow, and aspirin (group B). Aspirin was started on the day of surgery, whereas enoxaparin was started 48 hours after surgery. Anticoagulants were continued for 4 weeks after surgery. All patients had an in-hospital ultrasound screening test on postoperative days 3 to 5 and a second follow-up ultrasound 4 to 6 weeks after surgery. The overall deep venous thrombosis rates in groups A and B were 14.1% and 17.8% (P = not significant), respectively. When used in combination with pneumatic compression devices and SEA, enoxaparin was not superior to aspirin in preventing deep venous thrombosis after total knee arthroplasty.
PMID: 16950076 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèÿ ÿâëÿåòñÿ ýôôåêòèâíûì ñïîñîáîì ïðîôèëàêòèêè ÒÃÂ. Îíà èìåëà ìåñòî â îáåèõ ãðóïïàõ. Âîçìîæíî, åñëè áû ñðàâíèâàëè ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèþ + ÍÌÃ è ïðîñòî ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèþ, ðåçóëüòàò áûë áû òàêèì æå. Ñäåëàòü âûâîä èç ýòîãî èññëåäîâàíèÿ îá ýôôåêòèâíîñòè àñïèðèíà äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè ÒÃÂ, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, íåëüçÿ.
  #50  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2011, 12:58
Àâàòàð äëÿ Iluhin
Iluhin Iluhin âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.03.2006
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,879
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 9
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,327 ðàç(à) çà 1,195 ñîîáùåíèé
Iluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
À íèêòî âûâîäîâ îá ýôôåêòèâíîñòè àñïèðèíà è íå äåëàåò. Ðå÷ü èäåò èìåííî î êîìáèíàöèè àñïèðèíà è êîìïðåññèè.
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  #51  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2011, 14:35
BukinaOV BukinaOV âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.07.2010
Ãîðîä: Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 150
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 26 ðàç(à) çà 26 ñîîáùåíèé
BukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ðå÷ü èäåò èìåííî î êîìáèíàöèè àñïèðèíà è êîìïðåññèè.
Ïîâòîðþñü: âîçìîæíî, ÷òî áåç àñïèðèíà ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèÿ (à íå ïðîñòî êîìïðåññèÿ) áóäåò íå ìåíåå ýôôåêòèâíà.
  #52  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2011, 18:35
Àâàòàð äëÿ Iluhin
Iluhin Iluhin âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.03.2006
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,879
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 9
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,327 ðàç(à) çà 1,195 ñîîáùåíèé
Iluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåIluhin ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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 ïðîöèòèðîâàííîé â Âàøåì ïåðâîì ñîîáùåíèè ôðàçå íåò íèêàêîãî ïðîòèâîðå÷èÿ.
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  #53  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2011, 19:43
BukinaOV BukinaOV âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.07.2010
Ãîðîä: Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 150
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 26 ðàç(à) çà 26 ñîîáùåíèé
BukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Sereda Andrey ïèøåò, ÷òî â èññëåäîâàíèè ñðàâíèâàëàñü ãðóïïà ïàöèåíòîâ, ïîëó÷àâøèõ ÍÌÃ, ñ ãðóïïîé ïàöèåíòîâ, ïîëó÷àâøèõ àñïèðèí + ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèÿ. Èç ÷åãî ìîæíî ñäåëàòü âûâîä, ÷òî ïî ýôôåêòèâíîñòè ÍÌà = àñïèðèí + ÏÊ. À íà ñàìîì äåëå èç èññëåäîâàíèÿ ìîæíî çàêëþ÷èòü, ÷òî ÍÌà + ÏÊ = àñïèðèí + ÏÊ. Ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèÿ áûëà â îáåèõ ãðóïïàõ.

Ïîñìîòðåâ ëèòåðàòóðó, ÿ íàøëà âîò ÷òî:
Öèòàòà:
Am J Orthop (Belle Mead NJ). 1996 Feb;25(2):127-34.
Prophylaxis of deep venous thrombosis after total hip arthroplasty by using intermittent compression of the plantar venous plexus.
Stannard JP, Harris RM, Bucknell AL, Cossi A, Ward J, Arrington ED.
Orthopedic Trauma Service, Brooke Army Medical Center, San Antonio, Texas, USA.
Abstract
A randomized, prospective, blinded study comparing the efficacy of prophylaxis of deep venous thrombosis by using (A) heparin-aspirin therapy, (B) intermittent pulsatile pneumatic-pump compression of the plantar venous plexus, or (C) both methods, was conducted in patients undergoing elective total hip replacement arthroplasty. Duplex ultrasonography was obtained in all 75 patients before surgery, at 1 week, and 2 weeks after surgery, to detect the presence or absence of deep venous thrombosis, with venograms confirming all positive results. Five of 25 patients in group A (heparin-aspirin) developed deep vein thrombosis. No deep venous thrombi were detected in groups B or C. One pulmonary embolus was detected in group A. The reduction in detectable deep venous thrombosis by the use of intermittent compression of the plantar venous plexus was significant. Wound drainage was decreased by 2 to 3 days (P < 0.05) in group B. It is concluded that, in this group of 75 consecutive patients, intermittent pulsatile compression of the plantar venous plexus was superior to heparin/aspirin pharmacologic prophylaxis for the prevention of deep venous thrombosis proximal to the calf.
PMID: 8640382 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE
Íå çíàþ, íàñêîëüêî ìîæíî äîâåðÿòü ýòîìó èññëåäîâàíèþ, íî òåì íå ìåíåå...
  #54  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2011, 20:58
Àâàòàð äëÿ Sereda Andrey
Sereda Andrey Sereda Andrey âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.04.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,318
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,239 ðàç(à) çà 1,137 ñîîáùåíèé
Sereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò BukinaOV Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïîçâîëüòå íå ñîãëàñèòüñÿ.
Ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèÿ ÿâëÿåòñÿ ýôôåêòèâíûì ñïîñîáîì ïðîôèëàêòèêè ÒÃÂ. Îíà èìåëà ìåñòî â îáåèõ ãðóïïàõ. Âîçìîæíî, åñëè áû ñðàâíèâàëè ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèþ + ÍÌÃ è ïðîñòî ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèþ, ðåçóëüòàò áûë áû òàêèì æå. Ñäåëàòü âûâîä èç ýòîãî èññëåäîâàíèÿ îá ýôôåêòèâíîñòè àñïèðèíà äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè ÒÃÂ, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, íåëüçÿ.
Îãðîìíîå ñïàñèáî çà ñòîëü ïðèñòàëüíîå ÷òåíèå. Ïðèçíàþñü, ÷òî ìíîãîå èç ýòîãî îáçîðà áûëî âçÿòî êàê ïåðåâîä "ëåêöèîííûõ" ñòàòåé, ÷òî, ÿ íàäåþñü, íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïðåñòóïëåíèåì. Ïðè ýòîì, êîíå÷íî æå, ÿ ïûòàëñÿ ïðîñìàòðèâàòü âñå õîòÿ áû àáñòðàêòû óïîìèíàåìûõ àâòîðàìè ñòàòåé, íî ðàáîòó Westrich GH ïîëó÷àåòñÿ óïóñòèë. Äåéñòâèòåëüíî, êîìïðåññèÿ áûëà â îáåèõ ãðóïïàõ.
 ëþáîì ñëó÷àå íåýôôåêòèâíîñòü ìîíîïðîôèëàêòèêè àñïèðèíîì â ýòîé ñòàòüå íå âûäâèãàåòñÿ êàê âûâîä è íå äåëàþ òàêîãî âûâîäà è ÿ. Âåäåòñÿ ðå÷ü î "â öåëîì" íåýôôåêòèâíîñòè ìîíîïðîôèëàêòèêè àñïèðèíîì, ÷òî îáîñíîâàíî â äðóãèõ ðàáîòàõ.
 öåëîì õî÷åòñÿ îðèåíòèðîâàòü âíèìàíèå íå íà îòäåëüíûå ðàáîòû, à íà ñèñòåìàòè÷åñêèå îáçîðû è íà ìåòà-àíàëèçû, ïîñêîëüêó èíêîíñèñòåíòíûå ðåçóëüòàòû âîâñå íå ðåäêè, è â ýòîì íåò íè÷åãî ñòðàííîãî.
  #55  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2011, 21:11
BukinaOV BukinaOV âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.07.2010
Ãîðîä: Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 150
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 26 ðàç(à) çà 26 ñîîáùåíèé
BukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Sereda Andrey Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
 ëþáîì ñëó÷àå íåýôôåêòèâíîñòü ìîíîïðîôèëàêòèêè àñïèðèíîì â ýòîé ñòàòüå íå âûäâèãàåòñÿ êàê âûâîä è íå äåëàþ òàêîãî âûâîäà è ÿ
ß êîãäà ïðî÷èòàëà ðåçþìå ýòîé ñòàòüè, ìíå ïîêàçàëîñü, ÷òî îñíîâíîé öåëüþ èññëåäîâàíèÿ áûëî äîêàçàòü ýôôåêòèâíîñòü VenaFlow â ïðîôèëàêòèêå ÒÃÂ. Íî ñòàëî íå ïîíÿòíî, çà÷åì ñðàâíèâàòü òàêèì îáðàçîì. Íå ïðîùå ëè áûëî âçÿòü ãðóïïó ïàöèåíòîâ ñ ÍÌà è ïàöèåíòîâ ñ ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèåé èëè êàê Âû íàïèñàëè ÍÌà è àñïèðèí + ÏÊ. Ìîæåò áûòü òàêèå èññëåäîâàíèÿ è åñòü, òîëüêî ÿ èõ íå âñòðå÷àëà. Åñëè ó Âàñ åñòü èíôîðìàöèÿ ïî ýòîìó ïîâîäó, ïîäåëèòåñü, ïîæàëóéñòà.
  #56  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2011, 21:22
BukinaOV BukinaOV âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.07.2010
Ãîðîä: Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 150
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 26 ðàç(à) çà 26 ñîîáùåíèé
BukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðî àñïèðèí åñòü çäåñü:
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
  #57  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2011, 21:28
Àâàòàð äëÿ Sereda Andrey
Sereda Andrey Sereda Andrey âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.04.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,318
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,239 ðàç(à) çà 1,137 ñîîáùåíèé
Sereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñïàñèáî. À åùå ïðî àñïèðèí åñòü â ðåêîìåíäàöèÿõ ACCP àæ äâóõ ïîñëåäíèõ èçäàíèé: "íå ðåêîìåíäîâàíî â êà÷åñòâå ìîíîïðîôèëàêòèêè". Ñòåïåíü ðåêîìåíäàöèè 1-À.
  #58  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2011, 21:29
Àâàòàð äëÿ Sereda Andrey
Sereda Andrey Sereda Andrey âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.04.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,318
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,239 ðàç(à) çà 1,137 ñîîáùåíèé
Sereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò BukinaOV Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Íî ñòàëî íå ïîíÿòíî, çà÷åì ñðàâíèâàòü òàêèì îáðàçîì.
À ïîòîìó ÷òî â ðåàëüíîé êëèíè÷åñêîé ïðàêòèêå âû íàâðÿä ëè íàéäåòå îðòîïåäà, êîòîðûé ãîòîâ ôîðìèðîâàòü ìîíîïðîôèëàêòè÷åñêèå ãðóïïû.
  #59  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2011, 21:39
BukinaOV BukinaOV âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.07.2010
Ãîðîä: Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 150
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 26 ðàç(à) çà 26 ñîîáùåíèé
BukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
À åùå ïðî àñïèðèí "íå ðåêîìåíäîâàíî â êà÷åñòâå ìîíîïðîôèëàêòèêè". Ñòåïåíü ðåêîìåíäàöèè 1-À.
 ýòîì ÿ íå ñîìíåâàþñü))).
  #60  
Ñòàðûé 31.03.2011, 21:47
BukinaOV BukinaOV âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.07.2010
Ãîðîä: Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 150
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 4
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 26 ðàç(à) çà 26 ñîîáùåíèé
BukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåBukinaOV ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êñòàòè, òî æå ñàìîå íàïèñàíî è â îòíîøåíèè ÍÔÃ, êîìïðåññèîííîãî òðèêîòàæà è ïíåâìîêîìïðåññèè ïðè ïðîòåçèðîâàíèè òàçîáåäðåííîãî ñóñòàâà)
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