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Ñòàðûé 12.08.2007, 20:51
Àâàòàð äëÿ TDK
TDK TDK âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ïîñòîÿííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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TDK ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTDK ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTDK ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTDK ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTDK ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåTDK ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ñîîáùåíèå îò ElenaDe Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Äà, íà ñíèìêàõ ïðàâàÿ ñòîïà âíèçó.
Íî÷üþ ïðîñûïàþñü îò áîëè, íàñòîëüêî ñèëüíà îíà áûâàåò.
 ñàìîì íà÷àëå, ò.ê. ãîä íàçàä, ïðè îùóïûâàíèè ïÿòêè è íàäàâëèâàíèè ñíèçó î÷åíü ÿðêî ïðîÿâëÿëàñü áîëü. Ïîýòîìó ñîáñòâåííî ãîâîðÿ è ñ÷èòàëè, ÷òî ó ìåíÿ øïîðà. ß ñäåëàëà ñòåëüêè, êîòîðûå åñòåññòâåííî íå ïîìîãëè.
Òåïåðü ïî ïðîùåñòâèè âðåìåíè òàêîâûõ áîëåé íåò. Îíà êàê áû ïîäíÿëàñü. Ïðè ñäàâëèâàíèè ïÿòêè îùóùàåòñÿ. Òàê æå êàê è ïðè õîäüáå ðàíåå áîëü áûëà ñíèçó ïÿòêè, à òåïåðü ñ âíóòðåííå ñòîðîíû è îòäàåò ââåðõ.
Ðàíåå ïÿòêà áûëà çíà÷èòåëüíî îïóõøà. Ñåé÷àñ åñòü òîëüêî â ðàéîíå ùèêîëîòêè. Ïðàâàÿ ó ìåíÿ íà 1ñì áîëüøå.
ß áû íàñòîÿë íà äåòàëèçàöèè: åñëè âçÿòü ñêàæåì, øàðèêîâóþ ðó÷êó (ñ ïðåäâàðèòåëüíî âûíóòûì ñòåðæíåì) èëè òîëñòóþ âÿçàëüíóþ ñïèöó è, íàäàâëèâàÿ êîíöîì (íå êîí÷èêîì), ìåòîäè÷íî "îáîéòè" âñþ ïÿòêó è ñíèçó è ñ áîêîâ - îáíàðóæèòüñÿ ëè òî÷êà/çîíà/îáëàñòü - ãäå èíòåíñèâíîñòü áîëè ïðè íàäàâëèâàíèè áóäåò íàèáîëüøàÿ?
Åñòü ïîíÿòèå øïîðà, à åñòü ïîäîøâåííûé ôàñöèèò. Ðÿä àâòîðîâ ðàññìàòðèâàþò èõ êàê ñëåäñòâèå è ïðè÷èíó. Ñêàæó, ÷òî ñêëîíÿþñü ê ýòîìó äèàãíîçó, òî åñòü ïðîöåññ â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ ëîêàëèçóåòñÿ â ìÿãêèõ òêàíÿõ. Íèêàêèõ ïðèçíàêîâ ñòðåññîâîãî ïåðåëîìà íà ðåíòåíîâñêèõ ñíèìêàõ íå íàáëþäàþ, äàæå ó÷èòûâàÿ âðåìåííîé àíàìíåç çàáîëåâàíèÿ. Åñëè âíèìàòåëüíî ïîñìîòðåòü íà ñíèìîê ïÿòî÷íîé êîñòè ïðàâîé ñòîïû - òî â ïðîåêöèè çîíû ïðèêðåïëåíèÿ ïîäîøâåííîé ôàñöèè ê êîñòè ìîæíî ðàçëè÷èòü ëîêàëüíóþ ñìàçàííîñòü êîíòóðà êîñòíîé òêàíè íà ïðîòÿæåíèè áóêâàëüíî 4 - 5ìì (êà÷åñòâî ñíèìêà ïîçâîëÿåò ñäåëàòü ýòî) - ýòó îáëàñòü âîçìîæíî ðàññìàòðèâàòü êàê ëîêàöèþ ïðîöåññà è ïîòåíöèàëüíóþ â ïëàíå îáðàçîâàíèÿ â áóäóùåì çäåñü øïîðû â å¸ îáû÷íîì ïîíèìàíèè.
×òî êàñàåòñÿ ëå÷åíèÿ - íå èñïîëüçîâàí íàèáîëåå ýôôåêòèâíûé ìåòîä ëå÷åíèÿ ýòîãî çàáîëåâàíèÿ - îäíîêðàòíàÿ ëîêàëüíàÿ èíúåêöèÿ ñ ÃÊÑ â çîíó íàèáîëüøåé áîëåçíåííîñòè. Âñåâîçìîæíûå îðòîïåäè÷åñêèå ñòåëüêè, ò.í. ïîäïÿòî÷íèêè, ïðîêëàäêè è ò.ï. èìåþò â äàííîì ñëó÷àå íàèìåíüøèé ýôôåêò (åñëè îí åñòü), ýòî ïî îïûòó.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 13.08.2007, 00:15
ElenaDe ElenaDe âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå çà ïîäðîáíûé îòâåò.
Ïî ïîâîäó èíúåêöèè, ìíå åå êàê ðàç òî è íå ñäåëàëè, ÷òî îòâåðãëè äàííûé äèàãíîç ïîñëå ïðîõîæäåíèÿ òîìîãðàôà. È ñêàçàëè, ÷òî ýòî ïåðåëîì.
Æàëü, ÷òî íå ìîãó âûëîæèòü âòîðîé òîìîãðàô, ò.ê. íà íåì âðà÷ óâèäåë îáëàñòü ãîðàçäî áîëåå øèðîêóþ, ÷åì ïîëãîäà íàçàä. È êàê îí ìíå îáúÿñíèë, ïåðåëîì ýòî òîëüêî íàçâàíèå, à íà ñàìîì äåëå ïåðåëîìà êàê òàêîâîãî íåò, ïîýòîìó íà ïðîñòûõ ñíèìêàõ íå âèäíî íè ÷åãî. ×òî ýòî íà óðîâíå ôóíêöèîíèðîâàíèÿ êîñòíîé òêàíè âñå, ÷òî êîñòü êàê áû íå âîâðåìÿ âîññòàíàâëèâàåòñÿ èëè ñëèøêîì áûñòðî íàîáîðîò. (èçâèíèòå çà ñìóòíîñòü ìîæåò ìîèõ ïîÿñíåíèé, íî ÿ íå ìåäèê è òåì áîëåå ñëîæíî íàéòè ïîäõîäÿùèå ýêâèâàëåíòû, ÷òî âðà÷ òî íå ïî ðóññêè ãîâîðèë)
È åùå âîïðîñ. Âû ãîâîðèòå, ÷òî â ìîåì ñëó÷àå åñòü âåðîÿòíîñòü èìåòü âñå òàêè øïîðó ïîïîçæå. Åñòü ëè ñïîñîáû ïðåäîòâðàòèòü ýòî?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #18  
Ñòàðûé 13.08.2007, 06:13
Àâàòàð äëÿ germmed
germmed germmed âíå ôîðóìà
îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 18.11.2006
Ãîðîä: Ïåðìü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,110
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,533 ðàç(à) çà 1,510 ñîîáùåíèé
germmed ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågermmed ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågermmed ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågermmed ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågermmed ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågermmed ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågermmed ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågermmed ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågermmed ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågermmed ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågermmed ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
 êà÷åñòâå äèôåðåíöèàëüíîé äèàãíîñòèêè, ïðåäëîæèë áû åù¸ èñêëþ÷èòü ñòåíîç êàíàëà Ðèøå. Òî ÷òî Âû îïèñûâàåòå, ÷àñòè÷íî óêëàäûâàåòñÿ â êëèíè÷åñêóþ êàðòèíó ýòîé ïàòîëîãèè. Ïðîèñõîäèò óùåìëåíèå áîëüøåáåðöîâîãî íåðâà â òàðçàëüíîì êàíàëå, ýòî êàê ðàç íèæå è ÷óòü êçàäè âíóòðåííåé ëîäûæêè. Äëÿ ïîäòâåðæäåíèÿ (èëè îïðîâåðæåíèÿ) äèàãíîçà íóæíî ñäåëàòü íåñêîëüêî òåñòîâ. Ïóñòü ïîñìîòðèò íåâðîëîã.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Oleg Garin îäîáðèë(à): Î÷åíü çäðàâî!
ErickRed îäîáðèë(à): ïîõîæå íà ñ-äðîì òàðçàëüíîãî êàíàëà
Dr.Nikolaev îäîáðèë(à):
Timur îäîáðèë(à):
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 13.08.2007, 11:46
Àâàòàð äëÿ FRSM
 FRSM  FRSM âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 12.06.2007
Ãîðîä: Airstrip One
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,766
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 697 ðàç(à) çà 672 ñîîáùåíèé
FRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFRSM ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome


Plantar fasciotomy without calcaneal exostectomy is effective surgical treatment of plantar fasciitis.


Tarsal tunnel syndrome is caused by compression of the posterior tibial nerve as it courses from the posterior aspect of the medial malleolus toward the anteromedial aspect of the calcaneus. The tarsal canal is a fibro-osseous structure bounded by the flexor retinaculum medially, the posterior aspect of the talus and calcaneus laterally, and the medial malleolus anteriorly. The tendons of the posterior tibialis, the flexor digitorum longus and the flexor hallucis longus muscles, as well as the posterior tibial nerve, artery and vein, course within this space. Compression of the posterior tibial nerve here may cause a burning sensation.

Specific conditions that may cause compression of the posterior tibial nerve include a soft tissue mass, callus from a previous fracture of the medial malleolus, inflammation of one of the tendons coursing through the tarsal canal and excessive pronation that increases tension on the posterior tibial tendon and the corresponding nerve. Patients may describe heel pain with a tingling sensation around the plantar and medial aspect of the heel. Symptoms are often exacerbated by weight-bearing and ambulation but may persist at rest.

The posterior tibial nerve is responsible for a large area of sensory innervation, and patients often experience difficulty in pinpointing their discomfort to a specific location in the heel. Unlike patients with heel pain from plantar fasciitis, those with tarsal tunnel syndrome typically describe their pain as being most intense on standing and walking after long periods of rest. They usually do not experience pinpoint tenderness at the origin of the medial band of the plantar fascia.

Physical examination should include palpation of the course of the posterior tibial nerve from the proximal aspect of the medial malleolus distally toward the anterior aspect of the calcaneus. Patients may experience an uncomfortable burning pain that radiates proximally toward the calf (Valleix sign) or distally toward the toes (Tinel's sign).


Pain with medial to lateral compression of the calcaneus is present in patients with stress fractures but rare in patients with plantar fasciitis.


Finally, the clinician should inspect the patient's hindfoot for any structural conditions that may alter the patient's biomechanics. An abnormal gait can create greater tension on the contents of the posterior tarsal tunnel, resulting in an irritation of the posterior tibial nerve.

Nerve conduction velocity studies and electromyographic tests can confirm the diagnosis of tarsal tunnel syndrome. Conservative therapy should address excessive pronation, which can cause compression of the posterior tibial nerve. Reduction of ambulation, NSAIDs, physical therapy and orthotic devices may alleviate these symptoms. Patients who do not respond sufficiently to conservative therapy may require surgical decompression of the tarsal canal.

Entrapment of the Lateral Plantar Nerve

Entrapment of the first branch of the lateral plantar nerve, which provides innervation to the abductor digiti quinti muscle, has been said to cause plantar medial heel pain. The entrapment usually occurs between the abductor hallucis muscle and the quadratus plantae muscle, giving patients a burning sensation on the plantar aspect of the heel that is aggravated by daily activities and may even persist at rest. Palpation of this area may prove painful, with a tingling sensation. The same conservative modalities that are used to treat plantar fasciitis are effective in treating this condition.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #20  
Ñòàðûé 14.08.2007, 03:16
ElenaDe ElenaDe âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 15
ElenaDe *
should include palpation of the course of the posterior tibial nerve from the proximal aspect of the medial malleolus distally toward the anterior aspect of the calcaneus.

posterior tarsal tunnel

between the abductor hallucis muscle and the quadratus plantae muscle,

Ýòî ãäå?

ß íå äîêòîð, ê ñîæàëåíèþ.
Ñåãîäíÿ áûëà ó âðà÷à, êîòîðûé ìíå ïîäòâåðäèë äèàãíîç ñòðåññîâîãî ïåðåëîìà. À âû íå âèäèòå åãî íà òîìîãðàôå?
 ÷åòâåðã èäó ê î÷åðåäíîìó ðåâìàòîëîãó.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #21  
Ñòàðûé 16.08.2007, 21:35
ElenaDe ElenaDe âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 15
ElenaDe *
Ìíå ñåãîäíÿ ñêàçàëè, ÷òî ýòî ó ìåíÿ àëãîäèñòðîôèÿ.
×òî çà çâåðü òî òàêîé? Ïî âàøåìó.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #22  
Ñòàðûé 16.08.2007, 21:55
Àâàòàð äëÿ Sereda Andrey
Sereda Andrey Sereda Andrey âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.04.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,318
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,239 ðàç(à) çà 1,137 ñîîáùåíèé
Sereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñêàæèòå ïîæàëóéñòà, à Âû íå âûåçæàëè â ñòðàíû Àôðèêè (Ñóäàí, Ñîìàëè, Ñåíåãàë è ïð) Èíäèþ, Ìåêñèêó?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #23  
Ñòàðûé 18.08.2007, 12:03
ElenaDe ElenaDe âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
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Ãîðîä: Nice
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15
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ß ðàáîòàëà â Àçèè (Ìàëàéçèÿ, Òàéëàíä, Ëàîñ)
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #24  
Ñòàðûé 18.08.2007, 12:24
Àâàòàð äëÿ Sereda Andrey
Sereda Andrey Sereda Andrey âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.04.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,318
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,239 ðàç(à) çà 1,137 ñîîáùåíèé
Sereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
À çà âðåìÿ ðàáîòû â òðîïèêàõ íå áûëî ëè òðàâìû ñòîïû, îáëàñòè ãîëåíîñòîïíîãî ñóñòàâà? Èìåþòñÿ ââèäó äàæå ìèíèìàëüíûå óêîëû, ïîðåçû, ññàäèíû?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #25  
Ñòàðûé 18.08.2007, 22:29
ElenaDe ElenaDe âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.08.2007
Ãîðîä: Nice
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15
ElenaDe *
Êàê áóä òî íåò. Áîëåëè êîëåíè. Íî ÿ ýòî îòíåñëà ê áåãó ïî òâåðäîé ïîâåðõíîñòè è íàáîðó âåñà. Ïîòîì ïðîøëî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #26  
Ñòàðûé 19.08.2007, 11:42
Àâàòàð äëÿ Sereda Andrey
Sereda Andrey Sereda Andrey âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.04.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5,318
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,239 ðàç(à) çà 1,137 ñîîáùåíèé
Sereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåSereda Andrey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
 òàêîì ñëó÷àå âåðîÿòíî ìîæíî èñêëþ÷èòü äîñòàòî÷íî ðåäêîå ãðèáêîâîå çàáîëåâàíèå ñòîï, âñòðå÷àþùååñÿ â òðîïèêàõ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #27  
Ñòàðûé 26.08.2007, 23:28
ElenaDe ElenaDe âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.08.2007
Ãîðîä: Nice
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15
ElenaDe *
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