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РМС меньше всего можно обвинять в "малодоказательных сентенциях". И студент свободно может общаться с академиком, если разговор идет на одном языке.
P.S. В первой редакции эта фраза висела в "неодобрямсе" |
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На студента/медбрата Вы непохожи - знаете правильные слова и правильные имена.
Скрываться изволите? Ваше дело. Но, на мой взгляд, продуктивное общение строится на взаимном уважении, каковое предполагает открытые забрала, а не хихиканье из-за угла. |
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The things get much worse then it comes to putting stuff into the coronaries as with all income driven procedures. The level of trainig is insuficient a lot of times. The materials used are substandard and worst of all there is lack of open heart surgery backup so in case of caronary rapture the patient is dead by defenition (see actor Nykulin case). PS. Remember the discussion on carotid stenting, the procedure flushed down the tubes by the recent study. I bet you some people will still be doing it in Russia just for fun and money without even offering patient the alternative. So the conclusion is is you have money go to Finland or Germany. If you dont have money take pills or exercise you luck with the intervention. |
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Вообще-то в России средняя проджолжительность жизни мужчин - 59 лет, поэтому 90-летние старцы косяками под дверью cath lab не стоят.
Кстати, я не припомню, чтобы в нашем заведении при наличии показаний возраст и коморбидность были причиной в отказе от проведения КАГ. |
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No offence ment and I agree that the level of expertise may be comparable in some centers with the international standards, but the problem is as usually not the procedure itself but lack of the general hospital and primary care. It is not true that you should not develop your skills now. These will come handy as soon as people stop just fu..ing die from damn high blood pressure amd infected pressure ulcers. With the life expectancy of 50 y/o or so there is no room for high tech, sorry, basic public health.
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Если следовать Вашим совета, уважаемый Александр, то лучше бы в России КАГ не делали вовсе. Т.е., если центр не соотвествует указивкам по PCI в плане количества процедур, то он не имеет право на существование?
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"Не имеете права работать врачом" (с)
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Why do you think Russian people die young? Is it because we dont have enough good cath labs or may be because there is nobody to check BP and treat it not with IN infusions of vitamins but with ACE and HCTZ and may be because the everage Total cholesterol in Russia is the same as was in North Karelia Project on the dawn of the 90s, before the stating became available? Sure it is much sexier to put stuff into peoples arteries then to control the BP and diabetes and make sure that right people get colonoscopy or at least finger up the rectum. Take you time and search this forum for the questions the more educated patients ask. The questions their doctors can not give them any sane answer to. This is exactly the reason why we all are here or at least I am here. no, my friend, this is really, really bad and more so, it is getting even worse thanks to the National Project. |
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А если всего три оператора (или два, но конкретных) они должны делать минимум 166 (или 250) PCI в год? (каждый)
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Морализирование из-за кордона считаю неприемлимым, таким же как и квасной патриотизм... |
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If the PCI center does not have numbers (experience) it will cause more harm then good. The data of PCI outcomes is very "soft" to start with it is statistically not much different from the medical therapy, so if you start doing it in substandard conditions the outcome will most likely be worse. And if you do not provide the post PCI patient with a proper follow up care you will most lickely see him again in couple of years smelling sigarets.
My deep believe it that one should start building a house from the ground floor, not from the penthouse. If you are asking me if the PCI should be done in Russia the answer it YES. Is is doing to affect the quality of healthcare measured in hard outcomes - most defenitely not. |