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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 05.12.2023, 07:21
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.10.2015
Ãîðîä: Âåñòôèëä, ÑØÀ
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Àíàñòðîçîë ðåáåíêó

Äîáðûé äåíü. Ìàëü÷èê 15 ëåò, ñ 4 ëåò íàáëþäàëñÿ ó ýíäîêðèíîëîãà ïî ïîâîäó ãèïîòåðèîçà. Äî 11 ëåò ïðèíèìàë ýóòèðîêñ ïî 25 ìã.  11 ëåò ïðèåì ëåêàðñòâà ïðåêðàòèëè, ùèòîâèäêà ñòàëà ñïðàâëÿòüñÿ ñàìà. Ïîïóòíî åñòü ïðîáëåìà íèçêîãî ðîñòà. Ìàìà 160, ïàïà 182. Îí ñàì 167,7. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ãðàôèêà ðîñòà íåò, âñå ó äîêòîðà. Íî âñå ãîäû îí øåë +- ïî ñâîåé êðèâîé ðîñòà íà ãåíåòè÷åñêèé ðîñò â 178 ñì, êîòîðûé åìó âûñ÷èòàëè.  ýòîì ãîäó îí âûðîñ íà 2 ñì è ðåçêî ñêàòèëñÿ ñ ýòîé êðèâîé. Íà ïîñëåäíåì ïðèåìå ñäåëàëè ðåíòãåí êèñòè, òàì îòñòàâàíèå íà 1 ãîä. Äîêòîð ñêàçàëà, ÷òî íàø åäèíñòâåííûé øàíñ - àíàñòðîçîë è ÷åì áûñòðåå, òåì ëó÷øå. Ìû ñîãëàñèëèñü, çàáðàëè èç àïòåêè è ñîìíåâàåìñÿ, ñòîèò ëè äàâàòü. Íà ïðèåìå áûëî ñêàçàíî, ÷òî äîêòîð èñïîëüçóåò åãî óæå 19 ëåò, èç ïîáî÷íûõ ýôôåêòîâ ó íåêîòîðûõ ìàëü÷èøåê áûâàþò ïðûùè. Ïðè äåòàëüíîì èçó÷åíèè èíñòðóêöèè îêàçàëîñü, ÷òî âñå íàìíîãî ñåðüåçíåå. Çà âòîðûì ìíåíèåì çàïèñàëèñü òîëüêî íà êîíåö ÿíâàðÿ. Åñòü ëè êàêèå-òî äàííûå î ðåçóëüòàòàõ ïðèìåíåíèÿ ýòîãî ïðåïàðàòà, î ïîáî÷íûõ ýôôåêòàõ ó ìîëîäûõ ïàðíåé? Ãäå ýòî ìîæíî ïî÷èòàòü? Î÷åíü òðóäíî ïðèíÿòü ðåøåíèå, áîèìñÿ íàâðåäèòü. Ñïàñèáî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 05.12.2023, 07:31
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko íà ôîðóìå
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,487
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,696 ðàç(à) çà 32,769 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Áîþñü, ÷òî ïðîèñõîäèò ÷òî- òî íåïîíÿòíîå. Íà÷àëîñü ëè ïîëîâîå ðàçâèòèå?
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 05.12.2023, 07:45
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Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.10.2015
Ãîðîä: Âåñòôèëä, ÑØÀ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 14
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 10
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Ðåäêèå óñèêè ðàñòóò, îí èõ äàæå ïûòàåòñÿ áðèòü. Âîëîñû ïîä ìûøêàìè è íà ëîáêå òîæå åñòü. Íà ïðèåìå âðà÷ ñìîòðåëà ïîëîâûå îðãàíû, ñêàçàëà, ÷òî âñå ñîîòâåòñòâóåò âîçðàñòó. Âðà÷ ãîâîðèò, ÷òî íåò îñíîâàíèé ïîäîçðåâàòü äåôèöèò ãîðìîíà ðîñòà. Èôð âñåãäà áûë â íîðìå. Ìû æèâ¸ì â ÑØÀ, åñëè ýòî âàæíî. È òàêèå íàçíà÷åíèÿ ìåíÿ î÷åíü ïóãàþò. Íî, ìîæåò, ýòî äàâíÿÿ ïðàêòèêà è ÿ çðÿ âîëíóþñü? Ñâåæèå àíàëèçû ñäàëè íà äíÿõ, æä¸ì ðåçóëüòàòîâ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 05.12.2023, 08:47
Àâàòàð äëÿ Melnichenko
Melnichenko Melnichenko íà ôîðóìå
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 117,487
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 26
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,696 ðàç(à) çà 32,769 ñîîáùåíèé
Melnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMelnichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Îáðàçóþùèåñÿ èç àíäðîãåíîâ ýñòðîãåíû çàêðûâàþò çîíû ðîñòà - îòñþäà ëîãèêà íàçíà÷åíèÿ.  íàøåé ñòðàíå òàêîé ïðàêòèêè íåò
Front Endocrinol (Lausanne)
. 2021 Dec 16:12:812196. doi: 10.3389/fendo.2021.812196. eCollection 2021.
Should Skeletal Maturation Be Manipulated for Extra Height Gain?
Jan M Wit 1
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PMID: 34975773 PMCID: PMC8716689 DOI: 10.3389/fendo.2021.812196
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Abstract
Skeletal maturation can be delayed by reducing the exposure to estrogens, either by halting pubertal development through administering a GnRH analogue (GnRHa), or by blocking the conversion of androgens to estrogens through an aromatase inhibitor (AI). These agents have been investigated in children with growth disorders (off-label), either alone or in combination with recombinant human growth hormone (rhGH). GnRHa is effective in attaining a normal adult height (AH) in the treatment of children with central precocious puberty, but its effect in short children with normal timing of puberty is equivocal. If rhGH-treated children with growth hormone deficiency or those who were born small-for-gestational age are still short at pubertal onset, co-treatment with a GnRHa for 2-3 years increases AH. A similar effect was seen by adding rhGH to GnRHa treatment of children with central precocious puberty with a poor AH prediction and by adding rhGH plus GnRHa to children with congenital adrenal hyperplasia with a poor predicted adult height on conventional treatment with gluco- and mineralocorticoids. In girls with idiopathic short stature and relatively early puberty, rhGH plus GnRHa increases AH. Administration of letrozole to boys with constitutional delay of growth puberty may increase AH, and rhGH plus anastrozole may increase AH in boys with growth hormone deficiency or idiopathic short stature, but the lack of data on attained AH and potential selective loss-of-follow-up in several studies precludes firm conclusions. GnRHas appear to have a good overall safety profile, while for aromatase inhibitors conflicting data have been reported

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Ñòàðûé 06.12.2023, 15:22
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.07.2014
Ãîðîä: N-sk
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,018
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ghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ãäå â Øòàòàõ âû æèâ¸òå? ß ìîãó çíàòü åñòü ëè òàì õîðîøèé äåòñêèé ýíäîêðèíîëîã, ñïåöèàëèçèðóþùèéñÿ â ïðîáëåìàõ ðîñòà. Ìîãó è íåò.

Íåò, - íàñêîëüêî çíàþ, - õîðîøèõ äàííûõ îá àíàñòðîçîëå êàê ìîäèôèêàòîðå ðîñòà. Ãðîìàäíåéøåå áîëüøèíñòâî áîëüíûõ íà í¸ì ýòî æåíùèíû ñ ðàêîì ãðóäè. Ïîýòîìó âñå ïîáî÷íûå äåéñòâèÿ åãî, îïèñàííûå â èíñòðóêöèÿõ, ïðèìåíèìû òîëüêî ê ýòèì ñëó÷àÿì. Íî âîò ó ìàëü÷èêîâ ñ íåóäîâëåòâîðèòåëüíûì ðîñòîì îíè ìàëîèçâåñòíû, òàê ÷òî íà èíñòðóêöèè ÿ áû íå ïîëàãàëñÿ.

Íî ïî Âàøèì ñëîâàì, Âàø äîêòîð ñêàçàë/à, ÷òî èñïîëüçóåò åãî äëÿ îïòèìèçàöèè ðîñòà óæå ïî÷òè 20 ëåò. Íàäåþñü, ÷òî ýòè äàííûå áûëè îïóáëèêîâàíû â ðåôåðèðóåìîì æóðíàëå. Íî âîò åñëè ãëÿíóòü íà îáçîð 3 ïðîòîêîëîâ, îïóáëèêîâàííûõ áîëåå 10-15 ëåò òîìó íàçàä è íå î÷åíü-òî è êîíòðîëèðîâàííûõ, íèêàêîé ñîöèàëüíî-çíà÷èìîé ïðèáàâêè ðîñòà â êîíå÷íîì ñ÷¸òå íå íàáëþäàëîñü.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]



Ïî ñíèìêàì êèñòè ó íåãî îòñòàâàíèå êîñòíîãî âîçðàñòà íà ãîä. Ýòî íåìíîãî, è ìîæåò áûòü ïðîñòî òðàêòîâêîé. Íî åñëè äåéñòâèòåëüíî îòñòà¸ò, òî ó íåãî åñòü çàïàñ åù¸ îäíîãî ãîäà äëÿ ïðîäîëæåíèÿ ðîñòà, ÷òî õîðîøî.

Ïî î÷åíü ïðîñòîìó ìåòîäó ïðåäñêàçàíèÿ åãî êîíå÷íîãî ðîñòà, îí äîëæåí áûë áû äîòÿíóòü äî 177.5 ñì ( êàê Âàì è ãîâîðèëè!). Íî ýòî +/- 10 ñì! Íå çíàþ åãî âåñà, èíà÷å ìîæíî áûëî áû ÷óòü òî÷íåå.

À êàêîé ó íåãî òåñòîñòåðîí?

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 06.12.2023, 18:49
Nadezhda1982 Nadezhda1982 âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.10.2015
Ãîðîä: Âåñòôèëä, ÑØÀ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 14
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 10
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Ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò. Òåñòîñòåðîí ó íåãî íå ïðîâåðÿëè. Ïîñëåäíèå àíàëèçû : IGF-1 - 255, IGF-BP3 - 3297, ÖÐÁ - ìåíüøå 1, TSH - 2.790. Âñå âïèñûâàåòñÿ â íîðìó. Âåñ òî÷íî íå ïîìíþ, ÷óòü ïîçæå äîìà ãëÿíó, íî îæèðåíèÿ èëè äåôèöèòà ìàññû íåò. Æèâ¸ì ìû â Íüþ-Äæåðñè, ìîæåì åõàòü è â Íüþ-Éîðê. Ïðî òî, ÷òî ïîáî÷êà áîëüøå êàñàåòñÿ æåíùèí, ÿ óæå ïîíÿëà, íî âñå ðàâíî ñòðàøíî î÷åíü. Íèãäå íå ìîãó íàéòè æèâûõ îòçûâîâ î òîì, êàê ïåðåíîñÿò ìàëü÷èøêè, âåçäå òîëüêî êàêèå-òî íàó÷íûå âûêëàäêè. Ïî ñëîâàì äîêòîðà, ýòî ëåêàðñòâî íå FDA approved, ïîòîìó ÷òî ýòî, ÿêîáû íåâûãîäíî, òàê êàê îíî äåøåâîå î÷åíü. Íî êàê-òî ÿ òàêîìó îáúÿñíåíèþ íå äîâåðÿþ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 06.12.2023, 18:57
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,806
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Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ïîæàëóéñòà ñìåíèòå ìåñòî æèòåëüñòâà íà òåêóøåå â ïðîôèëå, ÷òîáû íå ââîäèòü â çàáëóæäåíèå êîíñóëüòàíòîâ; ìîäåðàòîð
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ghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
A çðÿ íå ïîâåðèëè.
Äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ÔÄÀ óòâåðäèëà êàêîå-òî ëåêàðñòâî äëÿ êàêîé-òî áîëåçíè, ïðîèçâîäèòåëü äîëæåí ïðîâåñòè ñïåöèàëüíîå èññëåäîâàíèå , çàðàíåå óòâåðæäåííîå ÔÄÀ.
À ýòî âêëþ÷èò â ñåáÿ ïëàöåáî è ëåêàðñòâî â ðàçíûõ äîçàõ, êàê ìèíèìóì äî çàâåðøåíèÿ ðîñòà ( ñ÷èòàéòå 5-7 ëåò) âñå àíàëèçû è ðàäèîëîãè÷åñêèå ïðîöåäóðû, ñòàòèñòè÷åñêè äîñòàòî÷íûé ðàçìåð ãðóïï ( òðåáóåò ðàáîòó íåñêîëüêèõ ñåíòðîâ), ÷àñòü çàðïëàò âðà÷åé è ìåäåñò¸ð è ïð.
 îáùåì, ÿ äåëàë òàêèå ðàáîòû è ìåíüøå ìèëëèîíà $$ ïåð öåíòð çà ÷òî-òî, ïðîäîëæàþùååñÿ âñåãî ãîä, íå óïîìíþ.

È åñëè ëåêàðñòâî ýôôåêòèâíî è íå îáëàäàåò ñåðüåçíûìè ïîáî÷êàìè, òîãäà åãî óòâåðäÿò. A âîò åñëè îíî íåýôôåêòèâíî è/èëè äàåò òÿæåëûå ïîáî÷êè, òîãäà âñå äåíüãè êîòó ïîä õâîñò. È øàíñ íà ïîñëåäíåå 90%.

Òàê ÷òî áåç î-î-î-î÷åíü îáíàäåæèâàþùèõ ïðåäâàðèòåëüíûõ äàííûõ, âûñîêîé îæèäàåìîé öåíå è/èëè Î-î-î-î÷åíü áîëüøîãî ÷èñëà îæèäàåìûõ áîëüíûõ íè îäíà êîìïàíèÿ íà ýòî äåëî íå ïîéäåò.

À íè ó îäíîãî ëåêàðñòâà èç ýòîé ãðóïïû òàêèõ ñâîéñòâ íåòóòè.
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,018
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ghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåghrh44 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Robert Rapaport, MD
Div. Pediatric Endocrinology
Mount Sinai, New York
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