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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 19.11.2012, 18:26
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Çàïîð ó ìëàäåíöåâ

Ïîë÷àñà óâåùåâàë ñåãîäíÿ òðåâîæíóþ ìàìî÷êó, ÷òî çàïîð ó 3-ìåñÿ÷íîãî ìàëûøà íà à- èñêëþ÷èòåëüíàÿ ðåäêîñòü, è ÷òî äåôåêàöèÿ ðàç â 5-6 äíåé - àáñîëþòíî íîðìàëüíî, åñëè ñòóë íå òâåðäûé è ðåáåíîê íå ïëà÷åò.  äîêàçàòåëüñòâî ýòîìó îòêðûâàþ ïåðåä ìàìîé ñòàòüþ â ìåäñêýéïå è ãóñòî êðàñíåþ:
In the United States, constipation is extremely common among infants and young children.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Ïîìíèòñÿ, áûëè íà ÐÌÑ æàðêèå ñïîðû íàñ÷åò äåòñêèõ çàïîðîâ, ïî èòîãàì êîòîðûõ âñå ïðèøëè ê âûâîäó, ÷òî çàïîðû íà à- êàçóèñòèêà.
Êàê æå ðåàãèðîâàòü íà ïðèâåäåííóþ âûøå èíôîðìàöèþ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 19.11.2012, 18:43
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ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà
      
 
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Íó à äàëüøå?
Typically, childhood constipation develops during 3 stages of childhood: in infants during weaning, in toddlers during toilet training, and in school-aged children.
Most children with constipation have no underlying medical condition. They are often labeled as having functional constipation or acquired megacolon.
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Ñ óâàæåíèåì,
Âàëåðèé Âàëåðüåâè÷ Ñàìîéëåíêî
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 19.11.2012, 19:51
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Òåì íå ìåíåå, extremely common êàê-òî íå î÷åíü âÿæåòñÿ ñ "Constipation is practically unknown in breast-fed infants receiving an adequate amount of milk and is rare in formula-fed infants receiving an adequate intake. The consistency of the stool, not its frequency, is the basis for diagnosis. Most infants have 1 or more stools daily, but some occasionally have a stool of normal consistency at intervals of up to 36–48 hr." èç 18-ãî Íåëüñîíà...
Îãîâîðîê íàñ÷åò îòëó÷åíèÿ îò ãðóäè íå áûëî íè â ïåðâîé ñåíòåíöèè, íè âî âòîðîé...
Êðîìå òîãî, ñóäÿ ïî ýòîé öèòàòå, ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî àâòîðû ïðèçíàþò íîðìàëüíûì èíòåðâàë 36-48 ÷àñîâ, à íå "one or two weeks".
Òåì áîëåå íå ïîíÿòíî, ïî÷åìó âî âðåìÿ weaning äîëæåí âîçíèêàòü çàïîð, åñëè áûòóåò ìíåíèå, ÷òî ðåäêèé ñòóë êàê ÿâëåíèå êàê ðàç ïðîõîäèò ïîñëå ââåäåíèÿ solid food.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 20.11.2012, 09:40
Àâàòàð äëÿ SergDoc
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À â ÷åì, ñîáñòâåííî, âîïðîñ?
 òîì, ïî÷åìó ìåäèöèíñêèå èñòî÷íèêè èíîãäà ïðîòèâîðå÷àò äðóã äðóãó?  òîì, êàê óáåäèòü ìàìó, ÷òî ýòî íå çàïîð? Èëè Âû ñàìè çàïóòàëèñü, ÷òî åñòü çàïîð, à ÷òî íåò? Ñôîðìóëèðóéòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ïðåäìåò îáñóæäåíèÿ áîëåå ÷åòêî.
Ïîêà îòâå÷ó, íàñêîëüêî ñàì ïîíÿë Âàøå íåäîóìåíèå.

...×åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, âàø òîïèê íàïîìíèë ìíå ïîñòàâèâøóþ ìåíÿ íåäàâíî â òóïèê, ïî÷òè íà ÷àñ, çàäà÷ó:
Öèòàòà:
Äîïóñòèì, ÿ âçÿë ó äðóãà 100 ðóáëåé,
ïîøåë â ìàãàçèí è ïîòåðÿë èõ.
Âñòðåòèë ïîäðóãó, âçÿë ó íåå 50 ðóáëåé è
êóïèë 2 øîêîëàäêè ïî 10, ó ìåíÿ îñòàëîñü
30 ðóáëåé.
ß îòäàë èõ äðóãó è îñòàëñÿ äîëæåí 70
ðóáëåé è ïîäðóãå 50 ðóáëåé, èòîãî 120
ðóáëåé. Ïëþñ ó ìåíÿ åùå 2 øîêîëàäêè,
èòîãî 140 ðóáëåé! Ãäå æå 10 ðóáëåé?!
Åñëè ðåøàòü çàäà÷ó â óìå - îíà íå ðåøàåòñÿ (ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå ó ìåíÿ).
Åñëè ñ ìîíåòêàìè - òî ðåøàåòñÿ, íî íåïîíÿòíî - ãäå æå ïðîèñõîäèò îøèáêà, êîãäà ðåøàåøü â óìå.
Íî åñëè âñå æå ðàçîáðàòüñÿ - îøèáêó ìîæíî íàéòè, îíà â ìåòîäîëîãèè.

...Íå÷òî ïîäîáíîå âèäèòñÿ ìíå â ïîñòðîåíèè Âàøåãî âîïðîñà.

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò SergMak Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïîë÷àñà óâåùåâàë ñåãîäíÿ òðåâîæíóþ ìàìî÷êó, ÷òî çàïîð ó 3-ìåñÿ÷íîãî ìàëûøà íà à- èñêëþ÷èòåëüíàÿ ðåäêîñòü, è ÷òî äåôåêàöèÿ ðàç â 5-6 äíåé - àáñîëþòíî íîðìàëüíî, åñëè ñòóë íå òâåðäûé è ðåáåíîê íå ïëà÷åò.
Ñîâåðøåííî âåðíîå óâåùåâàíèå

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò SergMak Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
 äîêàçàòåëüñòâî ýòîìó îòêðûâàþ ïåðåä ìàìîé ñòàòüþ â ìåäñêýéïå è ãóñòî êðàñíåþ:
In the United States, constipation is extremely common among infants and young children.
 ðàçãîâîðàõ ñ ìàìàìè ëó÷øå èñïîëüçîâàòü "àäàïòèðîâàííûå" èñòî÷íèêè, îñîáåííî êîãäà çàðàíåå èçâåñòíî î íåêîòîðûõ ïðîòèâîðå÷èÿõ è ðàçáðîñå â òåðìèíîëîãèè - ó ðàçíûõ àâòîðîâ. Èìåííî äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû íå çàïóòàòü ìàìó åùå áîëüøå, è íå íàðóøèòü ñòðîéíîñòü èçëîæåíèÿ

ß ëþáëþ Ëà Ëå÷å Ëèãó öèòèðîâàòü, âïîëíå ñåáå äîñòîéíûé è àâòîðèòåòíûé èñòî÷íèê:
Öèòàòà:
ÏÎÑËÅ ØÅÑÒÈ ÍÅÄÅËÜ

Ïîñëå øåñòè íåäåëü ÷àñòîòà ñòóëà ãðóäíîãî ðåáåíêà îáû÷íî óìåíüøàåòñÿ. Ýòî ïðîèñõîäèò, êîãäà ìîëîçèâî, èìåþùåå ñëàáèòåëüíûå ñâîéñòâà, ïîëíîñòüþ ñìåíÿåòñÿ ìîëîêîì. Äëÿ ðåáåíêà ýòîãî âîçðàñòà òàêæå íîðìàëüíî ïðîäîëæàòü ïà÷êàòü ïîäãóçíèêè áîëåå 5 ðàç â ñóòêè, â íåêîòîðûõ ñëó÷àÿõ äàæå ïîñëå êàæäîãî êîðìëåíèÿ. Òàêæå ñ÷èòàåòñÿ íîðìîé äëÿ äåòåé ñòàðøå øåñòè íåäåëü íà ïîëíîì ãðóäíîì îïîðîæíÿòü êèøå÷íèê âñåãî 1 ðàç â íåñêîëüêî äíåé. Íåêîòîðûå àáñîëþòíî çäîðîâûå äåòè îïîðîæíÿþò êèøå÷íèê âñåãî 1 ðàç â íåäåëþ. Åñëè ðåáåíîê ïà÷êàåò ïîäãóçíèêè íå÷àñòî, îáúåì ñòóëà äîëæíî áûòü çíà÷èòåëüíûì. Ïîêà ìàëûø õîðîøî íàáèðàåò âåñ, ìî÷èò äîñòàòî÷íîå ÷èñëî ïîäãóçíèêîâ è âåäåò ñåáÿ íîðìàëüíî, âîëíîâàòüñÿ íå ñòîèò, è íå ñëåäóåò äàâàòü ðåáåíêó ñëàáèòåëüíîå, ñîêè èëè îêàçûâàòü äðóãóþ «ïîìîùü». Íàîáîðîò, ïûòàÿñü âûçâàòü äåôåêàöèþ, ìîæíî ñåðüåçíî íàâðåäèòü ìàëûøó.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò SergMak Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Òåì íå ìåíåå, extremely common êàê-òî íå î÷åíü âÿæåòñÿ ñ "Constipation is practically unknown in breast-fed infants receiving an adequate amount of milk and is rare in formula-fed infants receiving an adequate intake. The consistency of the stool, not its frequency, is the basis for diagnosis. Most infants have 1 or more stools daily, but some occasionally have a stool of normal consistency at intervals of up to 36–48 hr." èç 18-ãî Íåëüñîíà...
Çäåñü ïðîñòî íåâåðíî ðàññòàâëåíû àêöåíòû, çäåñü ñðàâíèâàåòñÿ íåñðàâíèìîå. À ýòî è åñòü - îøèáêà ìåòîäîëîãèè.
Âñå óïèðàåòñÿ â îïðåäåëåíèå òåðìèíà "çàïîð".

...Ìíå ýòîò âîïðîñ âèäèòñÿ òàê:

Íåëüñîí äàåò î÷åíü ñïåöèôè÷åñêîå îïðåäåëåíèå òåðìèíó "çàïîð":
Öèòàòà:
Çàïîðîì íàçûâàþò îòñóòñòâèå èëè çàòðóäíåíèå äåôåêàöèè íà ïðîòÿæåíèè 2 íåäåëü è áîëåå.
http://forums.rusmedserv.com/blog.php?b=289
(èìåííî îòñþäà, âèäèìî, áåðåò íà÷àëî ÷àñòî ïîâòîðÿåìàÿ êîíñóëüòàíòàìè ÐÌÑ ðåêîìåíäàöèÿ, ÷òî "îòñóòñòâèå ñòóëà ó ìëàäåíöà íà àìåíüøå 2 íåäåëü - ýòî íå çàïîð")

È îñíîâûâàÿñü èìåííî íà òàêîì îïðåäåëåíèè è çàêëþ÷àåò, ÷òî çàïîðû (÷òîáû ïîä÷åðêíóòü ñâÿçü ñ îïðåäåëåíèåì, íóæíî áû íàïèñàòü "èñòèííûå çàïîðû") - ýòî èñêëþ÷èòåëüíàÿ ðåäêîñòü ó äåòåé íà ãðóäíîì âñêàðìëèâàíèè. Îáðàòèòå âíèìàíèå, îí ãîâîðèò î ÷àñòîòå ïîñòàíîâêè äèàãíîçà.

Íî, âî-ïåðâûõ, îïðåäåëåíèå òåðìèíà "çàïîð" â emedicine.com - ñîâñåì óæ ðàçìûòîå
Öèòàòà:
...constipation is generally defined as infrequent defecation, painful defecation, or both.
à âî-âòîðûõ, ÷èòàÿ òåêñò ïðèâåäåííîé Âàìè ñòàòüè, ñêëàäûâàåòñÿ âïå÷àòëåíèå, ÷òî àâòîðû âåäóò ðå÷ü î ÷àñòîòå æàëîá ðîäèòåëåé, áåñïîêîéñòâà ðîäèòåëåé, îáðàùåíèé ðîäèòåëåé ê ïåäèàòðó ñ ýòèìè æàëîáàìè,.. à íå ïîñòàíîâêè âðà÷îì äèàãíîçà ê59.0

Ðàçâå íåò? Öèòèðîâàòü çäåñü áåñêîíå÷íûå "of parents reported that...", ñ Âàøåãî ïîçâîëåíèÿ, íå áóäó.

...Íî âåäü íå ìíå Âàì ðàññêàçûâàòü, ÷òî ÷àñòîòà ïîñòàíîâêè äèàãíîçà âðà÷îì è "ïîñòàíîâêè" äèàãíîçà ïàöèåíòîì - íåðåäêî ñóùåñòâåííî ðàçëè÷àåòñÿ.

Öèòàòà:
Especially during the first months of life, parents pay close attention to the frequency and the characteristics of their children's defecation. Any deviation from what is thought by any family member to be normal for children may trigger a call to the nurse or a visit to the pediatrician. Thus, it is not surprising that approximately 3% of general pediatric outpatient visits and 25% of pediatric gastroenterology consultations are related to a perceived (ïðåäïîëàãàåìûì) defecation disorder
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

È åùå îäíî íåìàëîâàæíîå "íî". Îáðàòèòå âíèìàíèå, ÷òî õîòü àâòîðû è îáîáùàþò ñâîè âûâîäû íà "among infants and young children", íî ïðèâîäÿò äàííûå äîêëàäîâ - íà÷èíàÿ ñ 2õ ëåò (!) à äàëåå ïåðåõîäÿò è âîâñå íà èññëåäîâàíèÿ, êîòîðûå ïðîâîäèëèñü íà äåòÿõ â âîçðàñòå "4-17" è "9-11" ëåò. Êàê ýòè ðåçóëüòàòû ìîæíî ïåðåíîñèòü íà "ìëàäåíöåâ è äåòåé ðàííåãî âîçðàñòà" - ìíå íåïîíÿòíî. Ïîýòîìó ñòàòüþ áû, ïî-õîðîøåìó òî, íàäî áûëî è îãðàíè÷èòü ýòèì ðóáåæîì, â 2 ãîäà, è íàïèñàòü îòäåëüíóþ - ïî äåòÿì ìåíåå 2õ ëåò.

Ãàéäîâ ïî çàïîðàì íåìàëî, âñå îíè äàþò ñâîå îïðåäåëåíèå çàïîðàì è, ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, ñâîþ ÷àñòîòó, íàïðèìåð
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Íî âñå îíè, âñå æå, îõâàòûâàþò ñëèøêîì øèðîêèé âîçðàñòíîé äèàïàçîí. À â Âàøåì ñëó÷àå - èäåàëüíî áû íàéòè ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî çàïîðàì ó äåòåé ïåðâîãî ïîëóãîäèÿ æèçíè (â ïàáìåäå ÿ òàêèõ íå íàøåë).

...Íàèáîëåå îïòèìàëüíîé, è ëèøåííîé óêàçàííûõ âûøå íåäîñòàòêîâ, ÿâëÿåòñÿ, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, ñòàòüÿ â ñïðàâî÷íèêå àïòóäåéò - Constipation in children: Etiology and diagnosis (ïîëíûé òåêñò ñì âî âëîæåíèè)
Öèòàòà:
Constipation is common among children, accounting for an estimated 3 to 5 percent of all visits to pediatricians. Estimates of the true prevalence of constipation vary between 1 and 30 percent, even when uniform criteria are used
Ïðèâåäåííàÿ â ýòîì äîêóìåíòå òàáëèöà - äàåò âîçìîæíîñòü âðà÷ó îïåðåòüñÿ íà êîíêðåòíûå êðèòåðèè, äèôôåðåíöèðóÿ çàïîð îò ôèçèîëîãè÷åñêîé çàäåðæêè ñòóëà è óáåæäàÿ ìàìó â îòñóòñòâèè ïðè÷èí äëÿ âîëíåíèé:
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

...Åñëè ÿ íå äî êîíöà îòâåòèë íà Âàøè âîïðîñû, èëè âîâñå íåâåðíî èõ ïîíÿë - êîíêðåòèçèðóéòå èõ, ïîæàëóéñòà.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
BBC îäîáðèë(à):
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Âëîæåíèÿ
Òèï ôàéëà: doc Constipation in children.doc (246.5 Êá, 64 ïðîñìîòðîâ)
Òèï ôàéëà: doc Prevention and treatment of acute constipation in infants and children.doc (100.5 Êá, 42 ïðîñìîòðîâ)
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Óâàæàåìûå êîëëåãè, ïðîøòóäèðîâàëà âñþ òåìó çàïîðîâ íà äàííîì ôîðóìå, íî ïîõîæå íå äî êîíöà. Íà ïðàêòèêå ïðèìåíèòü íå ñìîãëà â òàêîé âîò ñèòóàöèè: ðåá¸íêó 5 ìåñ, ïëîõèå ïðèáàâêè â âåñå íà ãðóäíîì âñêàðìëèâàíèè ( íà ïðîòÿæåíèè 3 ìåñÿöåâ ìàññà äåðæèòñÿ â ðàéîíå 3 öåíòèëÿ è íèæå), â 4 ìåñ ââåëè ãðå÷íåâóþ êàøó. Âî âðåìÿ ââåäåíèÿ êàøè ñòóë áûë íîðìàëüíûì, êàê è ðàíüøå (íåñêîëüêî ðàç â äåíü, æåëòûé, êàøèöåîáðàçíûé).
Íà ìîìåíò ïîÿâëåíèÿ æàëîá íà îòñóòñòâèå ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíîãî ñòóëà íåñêîëüêî äíåé ðåáåíîê ïîëó÷àë ãðóäü è ãðå÷íåâóþ êàøó äî 150 ìã â ñóò. Ìàìà æäàëà 2-3 äíÿ è ñòàâèëà ãëèöåðèíîâóþ ñâå÷ó.  ïåðâûé ðàç ïîñëå ñâå÷è ñòóë îáû÷íûé êàøèöåîáðàçíûé æ¸ëòûé, 2-é ðàç óæå ãóñòîé âÿçêèé. Ìåæäó äåôåêàöèÿìè ðåá¸íîê ïðîÿâëÿë áåñïîêîéñòâî, âèäíî áûëî, ÷òî èñïûòûâàåò äèñêîìôîðò, ïîñëå äåôåêàöèè - îáëåã÷åíèå. Ìî÷èòñÿ äîñòàòî÷íî è ñâîáîäíî.
Ïðè îñìîòðå - ðåáåíîê àñòåíè÷åñêîãî òåëîñëîæåíèÿ, íî òðóäíî ñêàçàòü, ÷òî æèðà ìàëîâàòî. Ìàìà è ïàïà òîæå õóäûå, à ìàìà åùå è íèçåíüêàÿ. ÍÏÐ äàæå îïåðåæàåò âîçðàñò. Êîæà, ñëèçèñòûå, ë¸ãêèå, ñåðäöå - âñå áåç ïàòîëîãèè. Æèâîò ïîäâçäóòûé, ìÿãêèé. Ïå÷åíü +1,5 ñì. Ñåëåçåíêà íå ïàëüïèðóåòñÿ.
Ðåá¸íîê ïî ìîåìó íàçíà÷åíèþ íà÷àë ïðèíèìàòü äþôàëàê ïî ñõåìå óâåëè÷åíèÿ äîçèðîâêè. Íà äàííûé ìîìåíò óæå 15 ìë, à ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíîãî ñòóëà íåò. Ïðè ýòîì ìàòü óæå ââåëà îâîùè, ñîê, äîïàèâàåò âîäîé - áåçðåçóëüòàòíî. Íî ïîñëå ñâå÷è ñòóë áîëåå æèäêèé. È åùå îñîáåííîñòü: íà äàííûé ìîìåíò ðåáåíîê âåäåò ñåáÿ ñïîêîéíî, íå âèäíî, ÷òî èñïûòûâàåò êàêîé-òî äèñêîìôîðò.
 ñîâîêóïíîñòè ëå÷åíèå äþôàëàêîì ó äàííîãî ðåáåíêà äëèòñÿ îêîëî 2 íåä. Îòìåíÿòü ãðå÷íåâóþ êàøó ÿ íå ñòàëà, ïîòîìó ÷òî öåëûé ìåñÿö íà íåå íå áûëî òàêîé ðåàêöèè.

Èç àíàìíåçà æèçíè íà äàííûé ìîìåíò ìíîãî íå ñêàæó (íåò ïîä ðóêîé êàðòû ðåáåíêà), åñòü íåáîëüøèå çàïèñè â ìîåì áëîêíîòå. Èçâåñòíî, ÷òî áûëà äëèòåëüíàÿ æåëòóõà, á/õ êðîâè â 1 ìåñ ïîêàçàëà: áèëèðóáèí îáùèé 92,3, ïðÿìîé - îòð, íåáîëüøîå ïîâûøåíèå ÀËÒ (äî 50 ïðè íîðìå ëàáîðàòîðèè <40), ÀÑÒ (äî 42 ïðè íîðìå ëàáîðàòîðèè <38).  ÈÔÀ êðîâè îáíàðóæèëèñü IgG ê ÂÏà ñ âûñîêèì èíäåêñîì àâèäíîñòè . Äîêòîð, êîòîðàÿ áûëà äî ìåíÿ, âûñòàâèëà ðåáåíêó äèàãíîç "ãåïàòèò ãåðïåñâèðóñíûé", íàçíà÷èëà õîôèòîë è ñäåëàëà ìåäîòâîä îò ïðèâèâîê äî 6 ìåñ. Õîòÿ, ÷åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, ÿ íè ñ ýòèì äèàãíîçîì, íè ñ ëå÷åíèåì, íè ñ ìåäîòâîäîì íå ñîãëàñíà, íî ðå÷ü ñåé÷àñ íå îá ýòîì. Åùå èç àíàìíåçà ìíå èçâåñòíî, ÷òî ïî ÓÇÈ ó ðåáåíêà èìååòñÿ óäâîåíèå ëåâîé ïî÷êè è ïèåëîýêòàçèÿ 2-ñòîðîííÿÿ, ñèíäàêòèëèÿ 3 è 4 ïàëüöåâ ëåâîé êèñòè. Êàê âñåãäà íåâðîëîã íàáëþäàåò ñ ëþáèìûì èì ÏÝÏîì, íî ýòî óæå ëèðèêà.

Îòðóãàéòå ìåíÿ êîíñòðóêòèâíî, ÷òî ÿ ñäåëàëà íå òàê?
1. çàïîð ëè ýòî? Âñå-òàêè ðåáåíîê óæå ïîëó÷àåò ïðèêîðì, à íå íà ÷èñòî ãðóäíîì âñêàðìëèâàíèè íàõîäèòñÿ.
2. åñëè ýòî çàïîð, ïîêàçàí ëè âîîáùå äþôàëàê â äàííîé ñèòóàöèè èëè äîñòàòî÷íî áûëî ïðîñòî ãëèöåðèíîâûõ ñâå÷åé?
3. åñëè äþôàëàê ïîêàçàí: ìû îñòàíîâèëèñü íà 15 ìë - åñòü ëè ñìûñë è âîçìîæíîñòü óâåëè÷èâàòü äîçó?
4. Íàäî ëè îòìåíÿòü ãðå÷íåâóþ êàøó?
5. Íóæíû ëè äîï.èññëåäîâàíèÿ?
6. ×òî ìîæíî ïðåäïðèíÿòü èëè çàïîäîçðèòü â äàííîé ñèòóàöèè?

Ïðèìó òàêæå ëþáûå ññûëêè íà ñòàòüè ïî äàííîé òåìàòèêå, ïîñêîëüêó ñàìà åùå ïëîõî îðèåíòèðóþñü â ïàìåäå è äð.àíãëîÿçû÷íûõ áàçàõ, à ìàòü ðåáåíêà æäåò îò ìåíÿ äàëüíåéøèõ äåéñòâèé
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