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Ôîðóì äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ïåäèàòðîâ Ôîðóì ïðåäíàçíà÷åí òîëüêî äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ìåæäó ñîáîé. Âîïðîñû ïàöèåíòîâ çàäàþòñÿ íà ôîðóìå Ïåäèàòðèÿ.

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  #31  
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yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
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yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Èíôîðìàöèÿ èñõîäèò îò êàôåäðû äåòñêèõ áîëåçíåé ¹ 1 ×åëÿáèíñêîé ìåä. àêàäåìèè ( î íàëè÷èè èììóíîäåôèöèòà ó äåòåé ñ äèàòåçàìè)
Ýòî íàäåæíûé èñòî÷íèê èíôîðìàöèè?
  #32  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 21:43
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dr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ñïåöèàëüíî äëÿ äîêòîðà Îëåãà îáúÿñíÿþ â ïîñëåäíèé ðàç ïðèíöèï "æåíñêîé ëîãèêè".


Âåðíåìñÿ ê ïåðâîìó ïîñòó â òåìå

" Ðàáîòàÿ ó÷àñòêîâûì ïåäèàòðîì óæå 3 ðàçà (äåòè 2, 4, 7 ìåñ.) ñòàëêèâàëñÿ ñ àòîïè÷åñêèìè äåðìàòèòàìè, ïðàêòè÷åñêè ðåçèñòåíòíûìè ê ïðèìåíåíèþ àíòèãèñòàìèííûõ ïðåïàðàòîâ. Ïîëîæèòåëüíûé ýôôåêò ïîÿâèëñÿ ïîñëå íàçíà÷åíèÿ ãîìîíàëüíûõ ìàçåé ("Àäâàíòàí","Áåëîñàëèê" è äð.), à â îäíîì ñëó÷àå - ïðåäíèçîëîíà â/ì"

ò.å. äîêòîð ïûòàëñÿ ëå÷èòü àòîïè÷åñêèé äåðìàòèò àíòèãèñòàìèííûìè ïðåïàðàòàìè. Íà ýòî îí ñîâåðøåííî ñïðàâåäëèâî ïîëó÷èë îòâåò, ÷òî àíòèãèñòàìèííûå ïðåïàðàòû ÍÅ ßÂËßÞÒÑß ïðåïàðàòàìè ïåðâîãî ðÿäà ïðè ëå÷åíèè àòîïè÷åñêîãî äåðìàòèòà, ò.ê. îíè íåýôôåêòèâíû. Áîëåå òîãî, áûëà äàíà ññûëêà, â êîòîðîé îáúÿñíÿåòñÿ, ÷òî òàêîå àòîïè÷åñêèé äåðìàòèò è êàê åãî ëå÷èòü. Ìîãó äîáàâèòü ( ýòî èç òîé ññûëêè, ÷òî ä-ð Îëåã íå íàøåë, íî îíà åñòü â "æåëòûõ ñîîáùåíèÿõ", à, åñëè áû ä-ð Îëåã âîñïîëüçîâàëñÿ ïîèñêîì ïî ïðåäëîæåííîé åìó ññûëêå, òî îí áû òîæå åå íàøåë)...
BACKGROUND: Atopic dermatitis (AD) is an inflammatory skin disorder that is exceedingly challenging to treat. A prominent feature of AD is chronic pruritus. Early evidence suggested that pruritus in AD was partially due to mast cell release of histamines. Conversely, recent studies do not validate the role of histamine in the pathogenesis of pruritus
Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ðàçóìååòñÿ, ìîæíî ïðèìåíÿòü àíòèãèñòàìèííûå â ëå÷åíèè àòîïè÷åñêîãî äåðìàòèòà, êàê âñïîìîãàòåëüíîå ëå÷åíèå, íî ðàññ÷èòûâàòü íà òî, ÷òî îò èõ ïðèìåíåíèÿ ìîæíî ïîëó÷èòü ñóùåñòâåííûé ýôôåêò, íå íóæíî, ò.ê. åãî íå áóäåò.
Êñòàòè, ïðè ëå÷åíèè ïðèìåíÿþòñÿ àíòèãèñòàìèííûå ïåðâîãî ïîêîëåíèÿ, ò.ê. ïðè ëå÷åíèè çóäà, â îñíîâíîì èñïîëüçóåòñÿ èõ ñíîòâîðíûé ýôôåêò.

ß ïîíÿòíî îáúÿñíèëà, èëè åùå ó êîãî-òî îñòàëèñü âîïðîñû è çàìå÷àíèÿ ïî-ïîâîäó ìîåé "æåíñêîé ëîãèêè"?
  #33  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 22:06
DrOleg DrOleg âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
çàáàíåí
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 27.09.2005
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DrOleg
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò dr.Ira
BACKGROUND: Atopic dermatitis (AD) is an inflammatory skin disorder that is exceedingly challenging to treat. A prominent feature of AD is chronic pruritus. Early evidence suggested that pruritus in AD was partially due to mast cell release of histamines. Conversely, recent studies do not validate the role of histamine in the pathogenesis of pruritus
Áóäüòå ëþáåçíû äàòü ïðÿìóþ ññûëêó íà ýòîò òåêñò
  #34  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 22:20
DrOleg DrOleg âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
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DrOleg
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò dr.Ira
Ìîãó äîáàâèòü ( ýòî èç òîé ññûëêè, ÷òî ä-ð Îëåã íå íàøåë, íî îíà åñòü â "æåëòûõ ñîîáùåíèÿõ", à, åñëè áû ä-ð Îëåã âîñïîëüçîâàëñÿ ïîèñêîì ïî ïðåäëîæåííîé åìó ññûëêå, òî îí áû òîæå åå íàøåë)...
 ñòàòüå ñ emedicine âñÿ áèáëèîãðàôèÿ - ñ 1961 (!) ïî 1998 ãîä.
 îæèäàíèè âàøåé ñåêðåòíîé ññûëêè ìîãó ïðåäëîæèòü ñâîþ.

PEDIATRICS Vol. 112 No. 2 August 2003, pp. 462
LONG-TERM TREATMENT WITH CETIRIZINE OF INFANTS WITH ATOPIC DERMATITIS: A MULTI-COUNTRY, DOUBLE-BLIND, RANDOMIZED, PLACEBO-CONTROLLED TRIAL (THE ETAC TRIAL) OVER 18 MONTHS

Cetirizine proved to be safe as patients in the treatment group did not experience significantly more adverse reactions, but, in fact, had a significantly decreased risk of urticaria.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
  #35  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 22:30
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
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yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Atopic Dermatitis
Hywel C. Williams, Ph.D.
New England Journal of medicine
Volume 352:2314-2324 June 2, 2005 Number 22


Treatment
Topical Corticosteroids
One systematic review identified 83 randomized controlled trials of the use of topical corticosteroids in atopic dermatitis.30 Vehicle-controlled studies lasting less than one month indicate that approximately 80 percent of people report good, excellent, or clear responses with topical corticosteroids, whereas 38 percent of persons in control groups reported such responses.

Potency of topical corticosteroids is classified by the potential for vasoconstriction — a surrogate for clinical efficacy and skin thinning (Table 3). In general, only preparations that have very weak or moderate strength are used on the face and genital area, whereas those that have moderate or potent strength are used on other areas of the body.31 Lower-potency corticosteroids may be sufficient on all areas of the body in younger children. Preparations are typically used in bursts of three to seven days in order to achieve control. There is little difference in outcome between short-term use of potent preparations or longer use of weaker preparations in children with mild-to-moderate disease.32 Lichenified atopic dermatitis requires more potent preparations for longer periods.
Long-term studies of moderate-to-potent preparations in children are scarce. One study of 231 children with stabilized atopic dermatitis randomly assigned to receive twice-weekly 0.05 percent fluticasone propionate (plus emollients) or vehicle alone plus emollients for 16 weeks showed that patients in the control group were more likely, by a factor of 8, to have a relapse (95 percent confidence interval, 4.3 to 15.2).33 A four-month trial of persons 12 to 64 years of age with moderate-to-severe disease showed that the application of fluticasone to previously active and new sites of atopic dermatitis for two consecutive days each week reduced flares significantly, as compared with a group receiving an emollient only.34

Reduced efficacy of topical corticosteroids may be related to disease severity rather than to glucocorticoid resistance.35 There is little evidence that the application of topical corticosteroids twice a day is more effective than once-daily applications,36 and more frequent use may cause more local side effects.

A main concern with the use of topical corticosteroids is irreversible skin thinning. Although thinning is possible, the concern on the part of patients (and parents) is often well out of proportion to the true risk.37 Although inappropriate use of potent preparations can cause skin thinning, four 16-week randomized trials did not show any clinically significant skin thinning,32,33,34,38 and a 1-year study showed no significant effect on collagen synthesis.39 A one-year study of unrestricted continual use of a potent corticosteroid on the limbs and trunk, a weak preparation on the face, or both showed that striae developed in 3 of 330 adults with moderate-to-severe atopic dermatitis.40 Similar studies in children are lacking. Other possible side effects of corticosteroids include facial telangiectasia and glaucoma from periocular use (rarely reported in adults).

Secondary adrenal suppression and the suppression of growth resulting from systemic absorption of topical corticosteroids are also concerns, although clinically relevant adrenal suppression is very rare.41 One study involving children with atopic dermatitis did not find any relationship between height velocity and the use of mild-potency as compared with moderate-potency topical corticosteroids.42 Another study showed biochemical evidence of suppression of the hypothalamic–pituitary–adrenal axis only in children with atopic dermatitis who used potent or very potent topical corticosteroids and in those who had received glucocorticoids from other routes, and not in those who had used topical corticosteroids of mild or moderate strength for a median of 6.9 years.35

Emollients
There is no evidence that emollients improve atopic dermatitis directly. However, emollients are widely used because they improve the appearance and symptoms of the dry skin (xerosis) associated with this condition.30,31,43 One study has shown that emollients may reduce the need for topical corticosteroids by approximately 50 percent,44 and another study found that emollients enhanced the response to treatment with topical corticosteroids.45 There is little basis for suggesting the use of one emollient over another, and the preference of the patient is probably the most important factor.31

Topical Calcineurin Inhibitors
Topical tacrolimus and pimecrolimus have both been shown to be effective in vehicle-controlled studies. For 1 percent pimecrolimus, the rate ratio for the proportion of patients clear or almost clear of atopic dermatitis at three weeks in five vehicle-controlled trials involving 783 patients was 2.72 (95 percent confidence interval, 1.84 to 4.03).46 For 0.03 percent and 0.1 percent tacrolimus, the rate ratios for the proportion of patients who were clear or who had excellent improvement at 12 weeks were 4.50 (95 percent confidence interval, 2.91 to 6.96) and 5.62 (95 percent confidence interval, 3.67 to 8.61), respectively, in three vehicle-controlled trials involving 656 patients.46 Short-term studies suggest that 0.1 percent topical tacrolimus may be similar in strength to potent topical corticosteroids,46 whereas topical pimecrolimus is considerably weaker.40,47
Few long-term studies compare intermittent use of topical calcineurin inhibitors with intermittent use of topical corticosteroids. A 12-month vehicle-controlled study of children with atopic dermatitis showed that early use of pimecrolimus reduced the frequency of flares from 51 percent to 28 percent,48 although early use of mild topical corticosteroids might have shown similar effects.

Topical calcineurin inhibitors do not cause skin thinning. Both tacrolimus and pimecrolimus are associated with mild burning sensations when applied to the skin (Table 3). Five-year studies show a good safety profile for these agents.49 In the United Kingdom, the National Institute of Clinical Excellence approves the use of topical tacrolimus for children older than two years of age with moderate-to-severe atopic dermatitis not controlled by topical corticosteroids, and of topical pimecrolimus as a second-line option for resistant dermatitis of the head and neck.50 In the United States, both of these topical calcineurin inhibitors are approved as second-line agents, and the site of application is not restricted for pimecrolimus.

In March 2005, the Food and Drug Administration issued an alert to health care professionals concerning a potential link between topical pimecrolimus and tacrolimus and cancer (mainly lymphoma and skin cancer) on the basis of studies in animals, case reports, and knowledge of how these drugs work.51,52 The alert emphasizes the importance of using these preparations only as labeled and when first-line treatment has failed or cannot be tolerated.

Other Topical Agents
A study of a refined-coal cream used on one side of the body in adults with mild-to-moderate atopic dermatitis as compared with 1 percent hydrocortisone used on the other side suggested similar efficacy after four weeks.53 There is insufficient evidence to conclude whether topical cromoglycate preparations are effective.30,54 Other topical treatments — such as St. John's wort cream, vitamin B12, and licorice gel — whose use is supported by single small, randomized trials require further evaluation before they can be recommended for the treatment of atopic dermatitis.


Oral Antihistamines
Evidence is lacking to support the use of antihistamines for the treatment of atopic dermatitis,55 although they are sometimes recommended for their sedative effects.56 Reports on nonsedative antihistamines are conflicting.30,56,57 The largest study failed to demonstrate any overall benefit from prolonged use of cetirizine in children with atopic dermatitis.58

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
  #36  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 22:55
DrOleg DrOleg âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë ìóæñêîé
çàáàíåí
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 27.09.2005
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DrOleg
ß íå ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî àòîïè÷åñêèé äåðìàòèò ó äåòåé (ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, ó äåòåé ðàííåãî âîçðàñòà) è ó âçðîñëûõ - îäíî è òî æå. Ýòî â îòíîøåíèè ññûëêè, äàííîé yananshs
Êñòàòè, âîò ÷òî ãîâîðèò FDA:

The FDA recommends that Elidel and Protopic be used only as second line agents in the management of AD in children 2 years of age and older. In other words, they should be prescribed only after an attempt at disease control is made with moisturizers, antihistamines and appropriate topical steroids.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
  #37  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 23:07
Àâàòàð äëÿ yananshs
yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 25.02.2003
Ãîðîä: NY
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,664
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 15
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 56 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ýòî èçâåñòíàÿ âåøü, óâàæàåìûé Îëåã. Áûë ñïåöèàëüíûé äîêóìåíò âûïóùåííûé FDA. Ñåé÷àñ íàéäó.
FDA ALERT [03/2005]: [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
The FDA has issued a public health advisory to inform healthcare professionals and patients about a potential cancer risk from use of Elidel (pimecrolimus). This concern is based on information from animal studies, case reports in a small number of patients, and knowledge of how drugs in this class work. It may take human studies of ten years or longer to determine if use of Elidel is linked to cancer. In the meantime, this risk is uncertain, and FDA advises Elidel should be used only as labeled, for patients after other prescription treatments have failed to work or cannot be tolerated.



European Journal of Dermatology. Volume 15, Number 4, July-August 2005
Consensus Conference Management of atopic dermatitis in children. Recommendations.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Annals of Dermatology and Venereology. 2005 Jan; 132 (1): 81-91.
Management of atopic dermatitis of the child
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Äà íå íàäî èñêàòü, ÿ æå äàë ëèíê óæå.
ß òîëüêî î òîì, ÷òî îíè (FDA) íå òîëüêî äîïóñêàþò, íî è òðåáóþò ïðèìåíåíèÿ àíòèãèñòàìèííûõ ó äåòåé, êîòîðûì áóäåò íàçíà÷åí ýëèäåë.
  #39  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 23:17
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yananshs yananshs âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
çàáàíåí
      
 
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,664
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 15
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 56 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ó ìåíÿ íåò äîñòóïà ê ýòîìó æóðíàëó. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Íàâåðíîå, òîëüêî íà Óêðàèíå îí áåñïëàòåí.
  #40  
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 56 ðàç(à) çà 51 ñîîáùåíèé
yananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåyananshs ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò DrOleg
The FDA recommends that Elidel and Protopic be used only as second line agents in the management of AD in children 2 years of age and older. In other words, they should be prescribed only after an attempt at disease control is made with moisturizers, antihistamines and appropriate topical steroids.
Íî âû íåïðàâèëüíî ïåðåâåëè àáçàö. Òàì íàïèñàíî, ÷òî Åëèäåë äîëæåí íàçíà÷àòüñÿ òîëüêî â òåõ ñëó÷àÿõ, êîãäà íå ïîìîãàþò óâëàæíÿþøèå êðåìû, àíòèãèñòàìèííûå ïðåïàðàòû (êîòîðûå êàê ìû âûÿñíèëè, íàçíà÷àþò â îñíîâíîì èç-çà èõ ñåäàòèâíîãî äåéñòâèÿ) è ñòåðîèäû. È òîëüêî äåòÿì â âîçðàñòå 2õ ëåò è ñòàðøå. Äåòÿì äî äâóõ ëåò Åëèäåë íàçíà÷àòü íåëüçÿ.
Öèòàòà:
Oral Antihistamines
Evidence is lacking to support the use of antihistamines for the treatment of atopic dermatitis,55 although they are sometimes recommended for their sedative effects.
  #41  
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,803 ðàç(à) çà 1,491 ñîîáùåíèé
dr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò DrOleg
Áóäüòå ëþáåçíû äàòü ïðÿìóþ ññûëêó íà ýòîò òåêñò
Ðàäè áîãà! [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
À âîò åùå îäíà, ãäå êàê ðàç è ãîâîðèòñÿ î "ðàçíèöå" ìåæäó àòîïè÷åñêèì äåðìàòèòîì ó äåòåé è âçðîñëûõ [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] . Òàì, â ÷àñòíîñòè, íàïèñàíî ñëåäóþùåå: Treatment of eczema in childhood has the same components as in adults.
À âîò Âàì è ïðî àíòèãèñòàìèííûå [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
  #42  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 23:28
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Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò yananshs
Íî âû íåïðàâèëüíî ïåðåâåëè àáçàö. Òàì íàïèñàíî, ÷òî Åëèäåë äîëæåí íàçíà÷àòüñÿ òîëüêî â òåõ ñëó÷àÿõ, êîãäà íå ïîìîãàþò óâëàæíÿþøèå êðåìû, ñòåðîèäû è àíòèãèñòàìèííûå ïðåïàðàòû (êîòîðûå êàê ìû âûÿñíèëè, íàçíà÷àþò â îñíîâíîì èç-çà èõ ñåäàòèâíîãî äåéñòâèÿ).
ß íè÷åãî íå ïåðåâîäèë. À âû ïåðåâåëè íåïðàâèëüíî, òàê êàê èçìåíèëè ïîðÿäîê ñëîâ.  îðèãèíàëüíîì òåêñòå àíòèãèñòàìèííûå ïðåïàðàòû èäóò ïåðåä ñòåðîèäàìè.
Íàçíà÷àþò - çíà÷èò âèäÿò â ýòîì ñìûñë. è ýôôåêò
Íå âèæó ñìûñëà äàëüøå ïðîäîëæàòü äèñêóññèþ
  #43  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 23:31
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Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Èçðàèëü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,362
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,803 ðàç(à) çà 1,491 ñîîáùåíèé
dr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò DrOleg
 ñòàòüå ñ emedicine âñÿ áèáëèîãðàôèÿ - ñ 1961 (!) ïî 1998 ãîä.
 îæèäàíèè âàøåé ñåêðåòíîé ññûëêè ìîãó ïðåäëîæèòü ñâîþ.

PEDIATRICS Vol. 112 No. 2 August 2003, pp. 462
LONG-TERM TREATMENT WITH CETIRIZINE OF INFANTS WITH ATOPIC DERMATITIS: A MULTI-COUNTRY, DOUBLE-BLIND, RANDOMIZED, PLACEBO-CONTROLLED TRIAL (THE ETAC TRIAL) OVER 18 MONTHS

Cetirizine proved to be safe as patients in the treatment group did not experience significantly more adverse reactions, but, in fact, had a significantly decreased risk of urticaria.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Î ÷åì Âû? Î òîì, ÷òî cetirisine áåçîïàñåí, íå âûçûâàåò ïîáî÷íûõ ýôôåêòîâ è ìîæåò ïðèìåíÿòüñÿ ïðè ëå÷åíèèè óðòèêàðèè? À êòî ñ ýòèì ñïîðèò?
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Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò dr.Ira
Ðàäè áîãà! [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
À âîò åùå îäíà, ãäå êàê ðàç è ãîâîðèòñÿ î "ðàçíèöå" ìåæäó àòîïè÷åñêèì äåðìàòèòîì ó äåòåé è âçðîñëûõ [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ] . Òàì, â ÷àñòíîñòè, íàïèñàíî ñëåäóþùåå: Treatment of eczema in childhood has the same components as in adults.
À âîò Âàì è ïðî àíòèãèñòàìèííûå [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Âû ïðèâåëè 2 ññûëêè íà îäíó è òó æå ñòàòüþ
Ìåæäó ïðî÷èì, òàì íàïèñàíî:
CONCLUSION: Dermatologists require additional evidence regarding the efficacy of antihistamines and their mechanism of action in the treatment of AD.
Èì íóæåí äîïîëíèòåëüíûé îïûò. Âàì, î÷åâèäíî íåò, òàê êàê âû íà âåñü èíåò çàÿâèëè: ÍÅÝÔÔÅÊÒÈÂÍÎ.
  #45  
Ñòàðûé 06.12.2005, 23:38
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Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
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Ãîðîä: Èçðàèëü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9,362
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,803 ðàç(à) çà 1,491 ñîîáùåíèé
dr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìådr.Ira ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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