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Ñòàðûé 16.01.2014, 16:10
Pekachundra Pekachundra âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
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Ðàçðûâ ÏÊÑ è ìåíèñêà, íóæíà ëè ïëàñòèêà è æåñòêèé áðåéñ

Æåíùèíà 30 ëåò, îôèñíûé ðàáîòíèê, áðîñèëà êóðèòü íåäàâíî, õîááè-ëîøàäè, ñíîóáîðä, âåéêáîðä, ñêàëîëàçàíèå, êîíüêè, âåëîñèïåä. Îáùåå ñîñòîÿíèå çäîðîâüÿ óäîâëåòâîðèòåëüíîå.
7 ëåò íàçàä íà áðåéêå ïîðâàëà ÏÊÑ è ìåíèñê. Îïåðèðîâàëàñü ïðè Êàôåäðå ÐÓÄÍ íà Ëîáà÷åâñêîãî, ïëàñòèêó íå äåëàëè. Ïðèãîâîð áûë òàêîé-áóäåøü äåðæàòü â òîíóñå ìûøöû áåäðà -âîçìîæíî ýòîãî õâàòèò äëÿ ñòàáèëüíîñòè ñóñòàâà, åñëè íåò-äîáðî ïîæàëîâàòü íà ïëàñòèêó. Îïåðàöèåé äîâîëüíà-7 ëåò âåëà íå ñëèøêîì ïàññèâíûé îáðàç æèçíè, äèñêîìôîðò áûë ëèøü ïðè ïåðåìåíå ïîãîäû è î÷åíü äëèòåëüíûõ íàãðóçêàõ íà êîëåíî. Òàê âîò, ñ ïåðåîäè÷åñêèìè êàòàíèÿìè íà âåëèêàõ, ëàøàäÿõ, êîíüêàõ è ïðî÷èõ ñðåäñòâàõ ïåðåäâèæåíèÿ îñîáûõ ïðîáëåì íå îùóùàëà ïîêà íå ïîçíàêîìèëàñü ñ áîðäîì è âåéêîì. Ïî îùóùåíèÿì íå õâàòàåò óâåðåííîñòè â íîãå ïðè ïðèçåìëåíèè, íî â ïðèíöèïå âòîðîé ñåçîí êàòàþñü äàæå áåç áàíäàæà. Íåäàâíî áûëî ïàäåíèå (08.01.14)-íè÷åì íå óäàðèëàñü íî íîãà ïåðåêðóòèëàñü è ÿ ïî÷óâñòâîâàëà íå ñèëüíóþ áîëü â êîëåíêå. Òåïåðü îùóùåíèÿ ïðîñòî ìåðçêèå-ñóñòàâ êàê áóäòî íåìååò, ÷åì áîëüøå õîæó -òåì ñèëüíåå îùóùåíèå íàïðÿæ¸ííîñòè è äðîæè â êîëåíå (ëåã÷å òîëüêî â ïîëóæåñòêîì îðòåçå), ùåëêàåò ïðè ñãèáàíèè/ðàçãèáàíèè, ïåðåîäè÷åñêè ïðîñòðåëèâàåò áîëüþ. Ïîáåæàëà ê âðà÷ó, ñäåëàëà ÌÐÒ è ðåíòãåí. Äâà âðà÷à ïîñìîòðåâ íîãó è ñíèìêè ñêàçàëè ÷òî íåñòàáèëüíîñòü åñòü, íî â ïðèíöèïå âñå íîðìàëüíî, íèêàêèõ ñâåæèõ òðàâì íå íàøëè, ñêàçàëè åñëè îïóõíåò íîãà, òî ïðèõîäèòå íà ïëàñòèêó. êàòàòü òîæå ðàçðåøèëè. À êàêîé ìíå êàòàòü åñëè ÿ ïî îôèñó ñ òðóäîì õîæó, âñå âðåìÿ õî÷åòñÿ "íîãó îòñòåãíóòü"))))Òàêèå îùóùåíèÿ áûëè òîëüêî ñðàçó ïîñëå îïåðàöèè. â îáùåì ãðóñòíî î÷åíü-ïîñîâåòóéòå ÷òî äåëàòü. Ïîêóïàòü ëè æåñòêèé áðåéñ òèïî breg x2k äëÿ êàòàíèÿ èëè ÷òî òî äðóãîå, ÷òîá óìåíüøèòü íàãðóçêè è ðèñê ïîâòîðíîãî ïîâðåæäåíèÿ?(áîþñü äîðâàòü êîëåíî âî âðåìÿ êàòàíèÿ îêîí÷àòåëüíî)
Î÷åíü õîòåëà óñëûøèòü ìíåíèÿ ïî ïîâîäó ïëàñòèêè ÏÊÑ è ñïîñîáà åå èñïîëíåíèÿ, ÷òî âñå æå ëó÷øå àóòîòðàíñïëàíòàòàìè (ñîáñòâåííàÿ ñâÿçêà íàäêîëåííèêà, ñóõîæèëèÿ ïîëóñóõîæèëüíîé è íåæíîé ìûøö, ñóõîæèëèå ÷åòûðåõãëàâîé ìûøöû áåäðà) èëè ýíäîïðîòåçàìè ÏÊÑ. Åñëè êòî ìîæåò ïîäåëèòñÿ îïûòîì -áóäó áåçìåðíî ïðèçíàòåëüíà.Òàê æå áóäó áëàãîäàðíà åñëè ïîñîâåòóåòå ñïåöèàëèñòîâ.
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Ñòàðûé 16.01.2014, 16:13
Pekachundra Pekachundra âíå ôîðóìà Ïîë æåíñêèé
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Pekachundra *
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Ìîå ìðò Åñëè ïëîõîå êà÷åñòâî -ïîïðîáóþ ñôîòàòü ïîëó÷øå
è ðåíòãåí[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
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Ñòàðûé 16.01.2014, 16:29
Àâàòàð äëÿ artsoldier
artsoldier artsoldier âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 22.03.2009
Ãîðîä: Âåëèêèé Íîâãîðîä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,215
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 270 ðàç(à) çà 266 ñîîáùåíèé
artsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ðåêîíñòðóêöèÿ ÏÊÑ - äåëî èíäèâèäóàëüíîå. Åñëè Âû ñîãëàñíû â äàëüíåéøåì "çàâÿçàòü" ñ áîðäîì è âåéêîì, ìîæíî ñâÿçêó è íå ðåêîíñòðóèðîâàòü, îäíàêî, íåñòàáèëüíîñòü êîëåííîãî ñóñòàâà òîæå íè÷åãî õîðîøåãî íå ïðèíåñåò. Åñëè æå ñîáèðàåòåñü è äàëüøå âåñòè àêòèâíûé îáðàç æèçíè, ðåêîíñòðóêöèÿ ÏÊÑ íåîáõîäèìà.

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Ñîîáùåíèå îò Pekachundra Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ìîå ìðò Åñëè ïëîõîå êà÷åñòâî -ïîïðîáóþ ñôîòàòü ïîëó÷øå
Êà÷åñòâî ïëîõîå. Ïîïðîáóéòå ñôîòîãðàôèðîâàòü íà áåëîì ôîíå ñ áîëüøèì ðàçðåøåíèåì, ëèáî çàïèñàòü ðåçóëüòàòû ÌÐÒ íà äèñê.
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Ñòàðûé 16.01.2014, 16:56
Àâàòàð äëÿ Maxim_A
Maxim_A Maxim_A âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.08.2011
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,886
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 21
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,239 ðàç(à) çà 1,213 ñîîáùåíèé
Maxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
À íà äèñê ÌÐÒ çàïèñûâàëè? Ñ äèñêà íà ìíîãî èíôîðìàòèâíåå. Ïî ýòîìó ôîòî äåòàëåé íå ðàçîáðàòü. Ïî âàøåìó îïèñàíèþ - âîçìîæíî, äîðâàëè ñåáå ÏÊÑ îêîí÷àòåëüíî. Åñëè âðà÷è âèäÿò íñòàáèëüíîñòü, Âû íå ìîæåòå ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ íîãîé èç-çà íåñòàáèëüíîñòè - äîñòàòî÷íî òîëüêî ÷åòêîé êàðòèíêè ïîâðåæäåíèÿ ÏÊÑ íà ÌÐÒ ÷òîáû îäíîçíà÷íî ïëàíèðîâàòü ïëàñòèêó ÏÊÑ.
Íà äàííûé ìîìåíò îñíîâíîé ìåòîä ïî ìèðîâûì ñòàíäàðòàì - àóòîïëàñòèêà ñóõîæèëèÿìè òîíêîé è ïîëóñóõîæèëüíîé ìûøö.
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Ñòàðûé 16.01.2014, 17:16
Àâàòàð äëÿ artsoldier
artsoldier artsoldier âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 22.03.2009
Ãîðîä: Âåëèêèé Íîâãîðîä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,215
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 3
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artsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Maxim_A Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Íà äàííûé ìîìåíò îñíîâíîé ìåòîä ïî ìèðîâûì ñòàíäàðòàì - àóòîïëàñòèêà ñóõîæèëèÿìè òîíêîé è ïîëóñóõîæèëüíîé ìûøö.
Ññûëêó?..
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 16.01.2014, 18:04
Àâàòàð äëÿ Maxim_A
Maxim_A Maxim_A âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.08.2011
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,886
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 21
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,239 ðàç(à) çà 1,213 ñîîáùåíèé
Maxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò artsoldier Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ññûëêó?..
Ëåíü èñêàòü, ïðîñòî çàéäèòå â Vumedi òàì ìíîãî ðàññóæäàþò ïî ýòîé òåìå. 90% òðàíñïëàíòàòîâ òàì - èìåííî õàìñòðèíãè. È ñ êîñìåòè÷åñêîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ òîæå âûãîäíåå ))
Ê òîìó æå ñïîñîá ôèêñàöèè â áåäðå ñ ïóãîâèöåé âíóøàåò ïîëíîå ñïîêîéñòâèå î ñóäüáå òðàíñïëàíòàòà.
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Ñòàðûé 16.01.2014, 18:20
Àâàòàð äëÿ artsoldier
artsoldier artsoldier âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 22.03.2009
Ãîðîä: Âåëèêèé Íîâãîðîä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,215
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 3
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 270 ðàç(à) çà 266 ñîîáùåíèé
artsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ß ñàì òîæå ïîääåðæèâàþ ðåêîíñòðóêöèþ ïðè ïîìîùè hamstring, îäíàêî â ìèðå íàâåðíîå íå âñå òàê ïðîñòî.

"The currently available evidence from randomized and quasi-randomized trials comparing patellar tendon (PT) and hamstring tendon (HT) reconstructions of ACL deficient knees provides an insufficient basis for drawing strong clinical recommendations with respect to the choice between these two grafts for ACL reconstruction surgery.
Evidence from a minority of trials indicated that neither graft was superior in terms of functional assessment (single leg hop test), return to activity, Tegner and Lysholm scores, subjective measures of outcome, re-rupture or International Knee Documentation Com- mittee scores at a minimum of two years follow-up.

Irrespective of how stability was measured, ACL reconstructions performed with a patellar tendon are more likely to result in a statically stable knee compared with a hamstring tendon recon- struction.Conversely, the evidence supports previous findings that patients having a PT reconstruction are more likely to experience problems in the anterior aspect of their knees, particularly problems with kneeling.
The clinical importance of the findings of loss in extension range of motion and strength after PT reconstruction and loss in flexion range of motion and knee flexion strength after HT reconstruction is uncertain."

Patellar tendon versus hamstring tendon autograft for anterior cruciate ligament rupture in adults (Review) Copyright © 2011 The Cochrane Collaboration. Published by John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
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Ñòàðûé 16.01.2014, 18:29
Àâàòàð äëÿ Maxim_A
Maxim_A Maxim_A âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 20.08.2011
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,886
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,239 ðàç(à) çà 1,213 ñîîáùåíèé
Maxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ñîîáùåíèå îò artsoldier Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
ß ñàì òîæå ïîääåðæèâàþ ðåêîíñòðóêöèþ ïðè ïîìîùè hamstring, îäíàêî â ìèðå íàâåðíîå íå âñå òàê ïðîñòî.

"The currently available evidence from randomized and quasi-randomized trials comparing patellar tendon (PT) and hamstring tendon (HT) reconstructions of ACL deficient knees provides an insufficient basis for drawing strong clinical recommendations with respect to the choice between these two grafts for ACL reconstruction surgery.
Evidence from a minority of trials indicated that neither graft was superior in terms of functional assessment (single leg hop test), return to activity, Tegner and Lysholm scores, subjective measures of outcome, re-rupture or International Knee Documentation Com- mittee scores at a minimum of two years follow-up.

Irrespective of how stability was measured, ACL reconstructions performed with a patellar tendon are more likely to result in a statically stable knee compared with a hamstring tendon recon- struction.Conversely, the evidence supports previous findings that patients having a PT reconstruction are more likely to experience problems in the anterior aspect of their knees, particularly problems with kneeling.
The clinical importance of the findings of loss in extension range of motion and strength after PT reconstruction and loss in flexion range of motion and knee flexion strength after HT reconstruction is uncertain."

Patellar tendon versus hamstring tendon autograft for anterior cruciate ligament rupture in adults (Review) Copyright © 2011 The Cochrane Collaboration. Published by John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
È òàê æå âû íå íàéäåòå â íåòå îäíîçíà÷íûõ ðàíäîìèçèðîâàííûõ ðåçóëüòàòîâ ñðàâíåíèÿ òðàíñòèáèàëüíîé è ìåäèàëüíîïîðòîâîé ìåòîäèê ôèêñàöèè ))
 îáùåì ÷òîáû áûòü ìàêñèìàëüíî áëèçêî ê ðåàëüíîñòè: áîëüøèíñòâî êðóïíûõ ñïåöèàëèñòîâ ïðåäïî÷èòàåò õàìñòðèíãè è ìåäèàëüíîïîðòîâóþ ìåòîäèêó.. Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå ïî ìîèì ñêðîìíûì íàáëþäåíèÿì.
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artsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåartsoldier ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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áîëüøèíñòâî êðóïíûõ ñïåöèàëèñòîâ ïðåäïî÷èòàåò õàìñòðèíãè è ìåäèàëüíîïîðòîâóþ ìåòîäèêó
Òî åñòü âñå-òàêè, ýòî âîïðîñ ëè÷íûõ ïðåäïî÷òåíèé...
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Maxim_A Maxim_A âíå ôîðóìà
òðàâìàòîëîã-îðòîïåä
      
 
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Maxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMaxim_A ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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Ñîîáùåíèå îò artsoldier Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Òî åñòü âñå-òàêè, ýòî âîïðîñ ëè÷íûõ ïðåäïî÷òåíèé...
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