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Ñòàðûé 10.09.2010, 22:41
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
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Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Çàãàäî÷íûé ïàöèåíò

Ïàöèåíò 73 ëåò ïîñòóïèë ñ âõîäíûì äèàãíîçîì ÎÍÌÊ â êîìå. Íàéäåí ðîäñòâåííèêàìè áåç ñîçíàíèÿ â ñâîåé êâàðòèðå. Íà ëèöå è ðóêàõ - êðîâîïîäòåêè, âåðîÿòíî, âñëåäñòâèå ïàäåíèÿ. Ïðîëåæàë òàê, âåðîÿòíî, îêîëî ñóòîê. Ïî äàííûì ÌÐÒ (2 ðàçà) ÎÍÌÊ íåò. Âûñêàçàíî ïðåäïîëîæåíèå îá îòðàâëåíèè áåíçîäèàçåïèíàìè. Ââåäåí àíåêñàò - ïàöèåíò ïðèøåë â ñîçíàíèå. Íî ïî ïðåêðàùåíèè äåéñòâèÿ àíåêñàòà ñíîâà âïàë â êîìó. Óäèâëÿåò ñëåäóþùåå: óæå ïðîøëî áîëåå íåäåëè ñ ìîìåíòà ïðåäïîëàãàåìîãî îòðàâëåíèÿ. Òåì íå ìåíåå áåç èíôóçèè àíåêñàòà ïàöèåíò ãðóçèòñÿ äî êîìû 7 áàëëîâ. Íà ôîíå àíåêñàòà - ðàçãîâàðèâàë (ïðàâäà îäíîñëîæíî) ñ ïñèõèàòðîì. Ñåé÷àñ ïðîäîëæàåòñÿ èíôóçèÿ 0,2 ìã/÷àñ.  ëèêâîðå - íè÷åãî.  àíàëèçå êðîâè íåáîëüøîé ëåéêîöèòîç (âåðîÿòíî, ìî÷åâàÿ èíôåêöèÿ), ãèïîêàëèåìèÿ - 2,7-2,9, ãèïîêàëüöèåìèÿ - 0,6-0,7 èîíèçèðîâàííûé, ÊÔÊ-äî 7800!!!. Îñòàëüíîå - â íîðìå. Ùèòîâèäíàÿ æåëåçà óäàëåíà 100 ëåò íàçàä, ïüåò ë-òèðîêñèí, ãîðìîíû â íîðìå. Ãîä íàçàä îáñëåäîâàí - êàëüöèé, ïàðàòãîðìîí - â íîðìå.
Áåíçîäèàçåïèíû â êðîâè è ìî÷å ñåé÷àñ íå îïðåäåëÿþòñÿ.
Èçâèíèòå çà íåêîòîðóþ ñóìáóðíîñòü èçëîæåíèÿ. Ìû â äèàãíîñòè÷åñêîì òóïèêå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 11.09.2010, 04:23
Anton Verbine Anton Verbine âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 15.12.2006
Ãîðîä: Moscow-Princeton-Vicenza-Toronto-Moscow
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,022
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 168 ðàç(à) çà 155 ñîîáùåíèé
Anton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
full electrolytes, anion gap, serum osmolarity if avail
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 11.09.2010, 04:52
Anton Verbine Anton Verbine âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 15.12.2006
Ãîðîä: Moscow-Princeton-Vicenza-Toronto-Moscow
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,022
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 168 ðàç(à) çà 155 ñîîáùåíèé
Anton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnton Verbine ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
îñîáåííî èíòåðåñóåò íàòðèé, ôîñôàò è áèêàðáîíàò, à òàêæå êðåàòèíèí. Ñïèñîê ïðåïàðàòîâ, âêëþ÷àÿ åïèçîäè÷åñêè ïðèíèìàåìûå, âêëþ÷àÿ îáåçáîëèâàþøèå è ñðåäñòâà îò çàïîðîâ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 11.09.2010, 11:08
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.04.2003
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 782
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ÝÝÃ, ãàçû êðîâè? Òèàìèí äàâàëè?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 11.09.2010, 19:20
Àâàòàð äëÿ audovichenko
audovichenko audovichenko âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.01.2006
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,477
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,531 ðàç(à) çà 1,497 ñîîáùåíèé
audovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåaudovichenko ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Êñòàòè, ÿ òóò ñëåãêà âñòðÿíó.
Èíôóçèÿ àíåêñàòà ïðåêðàùåíà â÷åðà ~ â 19-00. Ïàöèåíò íà óòðî ñåãîäíÿøíåãî äíÿ áûë â ñîçíàíèè, êîíòàêòåí (õîòÿ áîëüøóþ ÷àñòü âðåìåíè "äðåìëåò").
Òàê ÷òî íà 11 ñóòêè ïîñëå ïðåäïîëàãàåìîãî îòðàâëåíèÿ äåéñòâèå ôåíàçåïàìà, ïîõîæå, íàêîíåö-òî çàêàí÷èâàåòñÿ...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 11.09.2010, 21:15
Guseinov Guseinov íà ôîðóìå
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.02.2008
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3,184
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 962 ðàç(à) çà 929 ñîîáùåíèé
Guseinov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGuseinov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGuseinov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGuseinov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGuseinov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGuseinov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGuseinov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGuseinov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGuseinov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGuseinov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGuseinov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò audovichenko Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Òàê ÷òî íà 11 ñóòêè ïîñëå ïðåäïîëàãàåìîãî îòðàâëåíèÿ äåéñòâèå ôåíàçåïàìà, ïîõîæå, íàêîíåö-òî çàêàí÷èâàåòñÿ...
Íó åñëè ïàöèåíò ïðèçíàëñÿ â ïðèåìå áîëüøîé äîçû ôåíàçåïàìà... (íî 10 ñóòîê êîìû - ìíîãîâàòî). Åñëè íåò, íå âñå îäíîçíà÷íî. Àíåêñàò îêàçûâàåò ïðîáóæäàþùèé ýôôåêò è ïðè ýíöåôàëîïàòèÿõ. Î âîçìîæíîé ïðè÷èíå êîòîðîé, ïðè ìàëîì êîëè÷åñòâå ëàáîðàòîðíûõ äàííûõ, ìîæíî òîëüêî ôàíòàçèðîâàòü. Ìîæíî äîïóñòèòü äðóãèå ýêçîãåííûå îòðàâëåíèÿ.
Èëè ,íàïðèìåð, îøèáêà ëàáîðàòîðèè â îïðåäåëåíèè ÒÒà â ñî÷åòàíèè ñ ïðåêðàùåíèåì ïðèåìà ïàöèåíòîì òèðîêñèíà äîìà. Ïðè ãèèïîòåðèîçå è ÊÔÊ ïîâûøàåòñÿ è ãèïîêàëèå-êàëüöèåìèÿ ìîæåò áûòü.
 îáùåì íå âñå òàê îäíîçíà÷íî.
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 11.09.2010, 21:31
Àâàòàð äëÿ Anna_Shvedova
Anna_Shvedova Anna_Shvedova âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 24.02.2006
Ãîðîä: Âîðîíåæ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 16,025
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 4,808 ðàç(à) çà 4,645 ñîîáùåíèé
Anna_Shvedova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnna_Shvedova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnna_Shvedova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnna_Shvedova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnna_Shvedova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnna_Shvedova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnna_Shvedova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnna_Shvedova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnna_Shvedova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnna_Shvedova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåAnna_Shvedova ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ìîæíî ôàíòàçèðîâàòü, íî âðÿä ëè ïðî ãèïîêîìó.. Ãèïîòèðåîèäíàÿ êîìà - î÷åíü ïîçäíåå îñëîæíåíèå ïðèìåðíî ñ 80% ëåòàëüíîñòüþ, ïåðåä êîòîðûì äëèòåëüíî ñóùåñòâóåò ÿâíûé è ãðóáûé ãèïîòèðåîç. Âèä ó òàêèõ áîëüíûõ âåñüìà õàðàêòåðíûé, à ëå÷åíèå ñîñòîèò íå â àíåêñàòå. Äà è òàêóþ îøèáêó ëàáîðàòîðèè (ÒÒà 1 âìåñòî ÒÒà 100) òðóäíî ñåáå ïðåäñòàâèòü..
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Àííà, âðà÷-ýíäîêðèíîëîã
Âîðîíåæ, êëèíèêà Íåïëàöåáî
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #8  
Ñòàðûé 12.09.2010, 10:37
Egor1974 Egor1974 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.12.2008
Ãîðîä: Áàðíàóë
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,230
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 35
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 320 ðàç(à) çà 297 ñîîáùåíèé
Egor1974 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEgor1974 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEgor1974 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Guseinov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
...Ïðè ãèèïîòåðèîçå è ÊÔÊ ïîâûøàåòñÿ è ãèïîêàëèå-êàëüöèåìèÿ ìîæåò áûòü.
 îáùåì íå âñå òàê îäíîçíà÷íî.
Ïå÷åíî÷íîé ýíöåôàëîïàòèè íå ìîæåò áûòü? Àíåêñàò è òàì òîæå ïîìîã áû.
Íà ôîíå ãèïîêàëèåìèè ïå÷åíî÷íàÿ ýíöåôàëîïàòèÿ óñóãóáëÿåòñÿ è ðàáäîìèîëèç ñ áîëüøåé âåðîÿòíîñòüþ ðàçîâüåòñÿ (ïëþñ êîìïðåññèÿ ìûøö/ïðîëåæíè). Íà ôîíå ðàáäîìèîëèçà è ãèïîêàëüöèåìèÿ áóäåò.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #9  
Ñòàðûé 12.09.2010, 10:41
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Àíòîí, íèêàêèõ ãðóáûõ îòêëîíåíèé â ýòèõ ïîêàçàòåëÿõ íå áûëî.
Êîñòü, à çà÷åì ÝÝÃ? Ãàçû êðîâè - ìåòàáîëè÷åñêèé àëêàëîç â áîëüøèíñòâå ïðîá.
Óâàæàåìûé Òèìóð! Ãèïîòèðåîç ìîæíî ñìåëî èñêëþ÷èòü. È â íàøåì àíàëèçå è â àíàëèçàõ ãîäè÷íîé äàâíîñòè âñå íîðìàëüíî. Äà è ðîäñòâåííèêè èçìåíåíèé íå çàìå÷àëè, â îáùåì âñå ðàçâèëîñü äîâîëüíî âíåçàïíî.
Ïå÷åíî÷íîé ýíöåôàëîïàòèè íåò. Ïðîëåæíåé òîæå.
Êñòàòè, ì. á. êòî çíàåò. Àíåêñàò ïðè äðóãèõ âèäàõ êîì (êðîìå ïå÷åíî÷íîé) ìîæåò ïîìî÷ü?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #10  
Ñòàðûé 12.09.2010, 11:09
Egor1974 Egor1974 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.12.2008
Ãîðîä: Áàðíàóë
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,230
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 35
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 320 ðàç(à) çà 297 ñîîáùåíèé
Egor1974 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEgor1974 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEgor1974 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
...Ïå÷åíî÷íîé ýíöåôàëîïàòèè íåò. Ïðîëåæíåé òîæå...
Íå îáÿçàòåëüíî èìåòü ïðîëåæíè. Äëÿ ðàáäîìèîëèçà äîñòàòî÷íî ãèïîêàëèåìèè + êîìïðåññèè ìûøö (ïðîëåæàâ ñóòêè íà ïîëó). À ïå÷åíî÷íóþ ýíöåôàëîïàòèþ, ÈÌÕÎ, èíîãäà òîëüêî ìåòîäîì èñêëþ÷åíèÿ óñòàíàâëèâàþò. Àíòèáèòèêè íå íàçíà÷àëè? Áûâàåò äîñòàòî÷íî "ïðîñòåðèëèçîâàòü" êèøå÷íèê, ÷òîáû áîëüíîé ïðèøåë â ñîçíàíèå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #11  
Ñòàðûé 12.09.2010, 11:25
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gratis
Gratis Gratis âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 18.03.2010
Ãîðîä: Àñòðàõàíü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,168
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 46
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 701 ðàç(à) çà 656 ñîîáùåíèé
Gratis ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGratis ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGratis ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGratis ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGratis ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGratis ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGratis ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGratis ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGratis ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGratis ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGratis ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Èçâèíÿþñü çà îôòîï.
Óâ Egor1974, íå ìîãëè ëè Âû îáúÿñíèòü: êàê ñòåðèëèçàöèÿ êèøå÷íèêà ïðèâîäèò áîëüíîãî íàõîäÿùåãîñÿ â êîìå â ñîçíàíèå?
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Egor1974 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
...Áûâàåò äîñòàòî÷íî "ïðîñòåðèëèçîâàòü" êèøå÷íèê, ÷òîáû áîëüíîé ïðèøåë â ñîçíàíèå.

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #12  
Ñòàðûé 12.09.2010, 11:28
Àâàòàð äëÿ thorn
thorn thorn âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Çàñëóæåííûé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 10.04.2003
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 782
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 15 ðàç(à) çà 15 ñîîáùåíèé
thorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåthorn ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gilarov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Êîñòü, à çà÷åì ÝÝÃ?
11 ñóòîê êîíåøíî âíóøàåò, íî ìàëî ëè... Non-convulsive status epilepticus in adults: [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Êîììåíòàðèè ê ñîîáùåíèþ:
Guseinov îäîáðèë(à): òî æå äóìàë îá ýòîì
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #13  
Ñòàðûé 12.09.2010, 11:29
Egor1974 Egor1974 âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
çàáàíåí
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 21.12.2008
Ãîðîä: Áàðíàóë
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,230
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 35
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 320 ðàç(à) çà 297 ñîîáùåíèé
Egor1974 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEgor1974 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEgor1974 ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Gratis Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Èçâèíÿþñü çà îôòîï.
Óâ Egor1974, íå ìîãëè ëè Âû îáúÿñíèòü: êàê ñòåðèëèçàöèÿ êèøå÷íèêà ïðèâîäèò áîëüíîãî íàõîäÿùåãîñÿ â êîìå â ñîçíàíèå?
Ìåíüøå àììèàêà îáðàçóåòñÿ â êèøå÷íèêå. Ïðè ïå÷åíî÷íîé ýíöåôàëîïàòèè ýòî èìååò áîëüøîå çíà÷åíèå. Èëè óìåíüøèòü ïðîäóêöèþ â êèøå÷íèêå, èëè óìåíüøèòü êîëè÷åñòâî, ïðîíèêàþùåå ÷åðåç ÃÝÁ ïóòåì êîððåêöèè êàëèÿ. Ýòî êëàññèêà æàíðà.

Ç.Û. À õóæå âñåãî æåëóäî÷íîå êðîâîòå÷åíèå. Êðîâü â êèøå÷íèêå ó òàêèõ áîëüíûõ ìãíîâåííî óñóãóáëÿåò ýíöåôàëîïàòèþ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #14  
Ñòàðûé 13.09.2010, 00:29
Àâàòàð äëÿ Gilarov
Gilarov Gilarov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.07.2001
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7,196
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 713 ðàç(à) çà 691 ñîîáùåíèé
Gilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåGilarov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Egor1974 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Íå îáÿçàòåëüíî èìåòü ïðîëåæíè. Äëÿ ðàáäîìèîëèçà äîñòàòî÷íî ãèïîêàëèåìèè + êîìïðåññèè ìûøö (ïðîëåæàâ ñóòêè íà ïîëó).
Ìû òîæå äóìàåì î ñäàâëåíèè ìûøö, êàê î ïðè÷èíå ïîâûøåíèÿ ÊÔÊ.
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Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.03.2009
Ãîðîä: USA
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Brain. 1998 Jan;121 ( Pt 1):127-33.

Endozepine stupor. Recurring stupor linked to endozepine-4 accumulation.
Lugaresi E, Montagna P, Tinuper P, Plazzi G, Gallassi R, Wang TC, Markey SP, Rothstein JD.

Institute of Clinical Neurology, University of Bologna, Italy.

Abstract
Recurring stupor can be caused by repeated metabolic, toxic or structural brain disturbances. Recently, cases of recurring stupor, with fast EEG activity were shown to display increased endogenous benzodiazepine-like activity during the episodes of stupor. Patients with recurring stupor underwent extensive metabolic and toxicologic screening, EEG and brain imaging. Endozepines and exogenously administered benzodiazepines were assayed in plasma and CSF by means of mass spectrometry. Flumazenil, a benzodiazepine antagonist was administered and the behavioural and EEG responses monitored. Treatment with oral flumazenil was attempted in selected cases. Twenty patients were found with recurring stupor. Episodes had begun between ages 18 and 67 years, and in nine patients, had disappeared spontaneously after 4-6 years with symptoms. Stupor lasted hours or days. Onset of the episodes and frequency were unpredictable. Patients were normal between attacks. Stupor was characterized by initial drowsiness, staggering and behavioural changes, followed by deep sleep and spontaneous recovery with post-ictal amnesia. Biochemical screening and brain imaging were always normal. Ictal EEG showed fast background activity, and flumazenil transiently awoke the patients and normalized the EEG. In the nine cases examined, endozepine-4 levels were increased during the stupor. Oral flumazenil reduced the frequency of the attacks in three of these nine patients. Recurring episodes of stupor may be due to increased endozepine-4. We propose the term 'endozepine stupor' for such episodes. Endozepine-4 is an endogenous ligand for the benzodiazepine recognition site at the GABAA receptor, with unknown molecular structure.

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