Äèñêóññèîííûé Êëóá Ðóññêîãî Ìåäèöèíñêîãî Ñåðâåðà
MedNavigator.ru - Ïîèñê è ïîäáîð ëå÷åíèÿ â Ðîññèè è çà ðóáåæîì

Âåðíóòüñÿ   Äèñêóññèîííûé Êëóá Ðóññêîãî Ìåäèöèíñêîãî Ñåðâåðà > Ôîðóìû âðà÷åáíûõ êîíñóëüòàöèé > Ïåäèàòðèÿ > Ôîðóì äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ïåäèàòðîâ

Ôîðóì äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ïåäèàòðîâ Ôîðóì ïðåäíàçíà÷åí òîëüêî äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ìåæäó ñîáîé. Âîïðîñû ïàöèåíòîâ çàäàþòñÿ íà ôîðóìå Ïåäèàòðèÿ.

Îòâåò
 
Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
  #46  
Ñòàðûé 19.01.2008, 19:08
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.
Dr. Dr. âíå ôîðóìà
Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 29.07.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 10,123
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 446 ðàç(à) çà 427 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Laboratory features*—*Subclinical evidence of hemolytic anemia is present in most patients with pneumonia, as suggested by a positive Coombs test and an elevated reticulocyte count. Cold agglutinin titers are elevated in 50 percent of adult patients with mycoplasma disease, and the titer usually exceeds 1:128 in patients with pneumonia [14]. Less well studied in children, the accuracy of the cold agglutinin test in detecting upper respiratory infection caused by M. pneumoniae is not known, and specificity is low if the titer is less than 1:64 because a variety of other respiratory pathogens may induce an increase in cold agglutinins.

The peripheral white blood cell count (WBC) is normal or slightly elevated with neutrophilia. Thrombocytosis can occur and probably represents an acute phase response. Reported erythrocyte sedimentation rates range from 20 to more than 100 mm/hr, with higher rates suggestive of more severe pulmonary disease [24].

In patients with neurologic involvement, the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) typically reveals a lymphocytic pleocytosis, elevated protein, and normal glucose. Isolation of M. pneumoniae in the CSF is possible but rare [5,16].

DIAGNOSIS*—*There are no distinguishing clinical or radiologic manifestations that allow a secure diagnosis of mycoplasma pneumonia versus chlamydial or viral pneumonia [9]. Compared to those with pyogenic pneumonia, however, patients with mycoplasma pneumonia tend to have a more gradual onset of symptoms, less respiratory distress, and usually a normal white blood cell count. However, these findings are neither sufficiently sensitive nor specific to exclude other etiologies. A positive Gram stain and sputum culture can establish the diagnosis of bacterial pneumonia, but young children cannot produce sputum and those that can may have a false negative result because they have already been treated with antibiotics. (See "Clinical features and diagnosis of community-acquired pneumonia in children").

Although the isolation of M. pneumoniae on SP-4 medium is possible, culture requires two to three weeks and the organism is fastidious. As a result, most clinical laboratories do not attempt to culture this organism. Thus, the specific diagnosis of M. pneumoniae infection relies upon nonculture techniques.

Cold agglutinins*—*This test is probably the most commonly sent study for the diagnosis of mycoplasma pneumonia. It is not a cost-effective approach because the study is neither sensitive nor specific, and we do not recommend ordering it routinely.

Serology*—*The most widely used approach for serodiagnosis is the complement fixation (CF) test, which measures "early" IgM (predominantly) and IgG antibody (to a lesser extent) to M. pneumoniae. A positive result is defined as [25]: A fourfold or greater increase in titer in paired sera OR A single titer of greater than or equal to 1:32.

Antibody titers rise seven to nine days after infection and peak at three to four weeks. A fourfold decline in titer also is diagnostic if late samples are obtained [26].

The CF test is highly sensitive for the detection of M. pneumoniae infection. In one study, for example, the overall sensitivity of the CF test was 90 percent in culture-proven cases of M. pneumoniae pneumonia [20]. By comparison, the culture method was only 64 percent sensitive when used in individuals with serologic evidence of infection.

A major disadvantage of the CF test is that false positive results may occur, particularly during inflammatory reactions such as neurologic syndromes, bacterial meningitis, and acute pancreatitis [20]. Despite this limitation, the CF test is the one most commonly ordered in clinical practice and the one we recommend.

Other more specific serologic tests, including an ELISA, which examines levels of IgG and IgM to the P1 adhesin of M. pneumoniae, are available. Antibody tests through agglutination are available, but they appear less sensitive than are the CF and EIA [26]. Although antibody tests provide evidence of infection, time is required to collect acute and convalescent serum. In addition, although a single elevated IgM may be used to diagnose infection, this measurement cannot be used until almost seven days into the illness.

New diagnostic techniques*—*Newer technology has been evaluated in an attempt to establish the diagnosis when patients first present to medical attention. These tests include antigen detection and polymerase chain reaction (PCR). Antigen detection — Antigen detection can be performed by antigen capture-enzyme immunoassay (Ag-EIA), which may detect 10(4) cfu/mL (a level which should be present in the majority of infections) [27]. One problem with Ag-EIA is that the ability to detect antigen may vary with the time of sampling; the test is most often positive within seven days of onset. Polymerase chain reaction — Direct PCR detects genomic DNA and may be highly sensitive and specific for M. pneumoniae in patients with respiratory tract infections [28,29]. One study, for example, compared the sensitivity and specificity of PCR with serology on throat specimens obtained from both healthy and hospitalized adults [30]. PCR had a sensitivity of 92 percent and a specificity of 98 percent, and it was found to detect more M. pneumoniae than did serology. An amplified product was not detected in any of 32 healthy volunteers.

PCR appears to be very accurate for the diagnosis of infection in atypical pneumonia. As an example, the accuracy of PCR in detecting infection caused by M. pneumoniae, C. pneumoniae, or Legionella pneumophila from single throat swabs was evaluated in 155 patients with lower respiratory tract infection [30]. Of the 17 patients documented to have one of these infections, PCR detected 15 (88 percent), including eight of the nine patients with mycoplasma. In addition, PCR was 100 percent specific, as none of 138 patients with a negative PCR were infected with any of these pathogens as determined by other methods.

Thus, although not yet readily available clinically, PCR shows considerable promise in the diagnosis of pathogens causing atypical pneumonia. The availability of a rapid diagnostic technique would have enormous utility in distinguishing between pyogenic causes of community-acquired pneumonia and the major pathogens causing atypical pneumonia.

TREATMENT*—*The benefits of antimicrobial therapy for the treatment of upper respiratory tract symptoms caused by M. pneumoniae have not been adequately studied in adults or children [31]. However, limited data in children suggest that a macrolide antibiotic or a tetracycline should be prescribed when a lower respiratory tract infection is likely to be caused by M. pneumoniae. One study from France, for example, measured pulmonary function six months and one year after a documented mycoplasma infection; children who received macrolide antibiotics started more than 10 days after symptom onset were more likely to have abnormal lung diffusion capacity than those treated earlier (73 versus 30 percent) [32].

Recommended regimens include erythromycin (30 to 40 mg/kg per day in four divided doses for 10 days), clarithromycin (15 mg/kg per day in two divided doses for 10 days) or azithromycin (10 mg/kg in one dose on the first day and 5 mg/kg in one dose for four days) [33]. Azithromycin and clarithromycin have the advantages of less frequent dosing and fewer gastrointestinal disturbances.

Tetracycline (20 to 50 mg/kg per day in four divided doses, maximum daily dose 1 to 2 g) and doxycycline (2 to 4 mg/kg per day in one or two divided doses, maximum daily dose 100 to 200 mg) for ten days are equally effective and may be used in children eight years of age or older.

No studies have been performed that evaluate the effectiveness of alternative therapies in patients with hemolytic anemia or CNS involvement. Antibiotics would not be expected to have a major therapeutic role in this setting because these disorders are thought to arise from immune-mediated mechanisms, presumably at a time when antibodies to the organism have already been made by the host. For hemolytic anemia, case reports indicate some patients respond to warming, steroid therapy, and possibly plasmapheresis [3]. For CNS disease, therapy with steroids, antiinflammatory drugs, diuretics, and plasma exchange have been used in addition to antibiotics without clear indication of benefit from any of these modalities [4].
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #47  
Ñòàðûé 19.01.2008, 19:08
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.
Dr. Dr. âíå ôîðóìà
Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 29.07.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 10,123
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 446 ðàç(à) çà 427 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATIONS Mycoplasma pneumoniae accounts for approximately 20 percent of acute pneumonias in middle and high school students and up to 50 percent of cases in college students and military recruits. (See "Epidemiology" above). The signs and symptoms of M. pneumoniae infection vary according to the stage of illness (show figure 1). Extrapulmonary manifestations may include hemolysis, rash, musculoskeletal pain, and central nervous system, gastrointestinal, or cardiac involvement.(See "Clinical features" above). Plain radiograph findings include bronchopneumonia, plate-like atelectasis, nodular infiltration, hilar adenopathy, and pleural effusions. (See "Radiographic features" above). Laboratory features of M. pneumoniae infection may include positive Coombs test, elevated reticulocyte count, elevated cold agglutinin titers, normal or slightly elevated white blood cell count, thrombocytosis, and elevation of the erythrocyte sedimentation rate. (See "Laboratory features" above). Compared to children with bacterial pneumonia, those with mycoplasma pneumonia tend to have a more gradual onset of symptoms, less respiratory distress, and a normal white blood cell count. However, these findings are neither sufficiently sensitive nor specific to exclude other etiologies (eg, chlamydia or viral pneumonia). (See "Diagnosis" above). Specific diagnosis of M. pneumoniae relies upon nonculture techniques, including serology (complement fixation test, ELISA) and antigen detection. (See "Diagnosis" above).

We recommend that children with M. pneumoniae lower respiratory tract infection be treated with antimicrobial therapy (Grade 1B). Alternative regimens include (see "Treatment" above):

- Erythromycin (30 to 40 mg/kg per day in four divided doses for 10 days)


- Clarithromycin (15 mg/kg per day in two divided doses for 10 days)


- Azithromycin (10 mg/kg in one dose on the first day and 5 mg/kg in one dose for four days)


- Tetracycline (20 to 50 mg/kg per day in four divided doses for 10 days, maximum daily dose 1 to 2 g) or doxycycline (2 to 4 mg/kg per day in one or two divided doses for 10 days, maximum daily dose 100 to 200 mg) may be used in children eight years of age or older.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #48  
Ñòàðûé 19.01.2008, 19:22
gfraspopov gfraspopov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Áîðîâè÷è
Ñîîáùåíèé: 76
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 10 ðàç(à) çà 3 ñîîáùåíèé
gfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò filbi Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ñôîðìóëèðóéòå ïîæàëóéñòà ïîêàçàíèÿ ê íàçíà÷åíèþ ìàêðîëèäîâ ïðè îñòðîì êàøëå
ß ñîãëàñåí, «îñòðûé êàøåëü» -- ýòî ïî÷òè âñåãäà «îñòðûé âèðóñ». Ñâîèì âíóêàì è «ñâîèì ïàöèåíòàì» â òàêèõ ñëó÷àÿõ ÿ íå ñîâåòóþ ïðèíèìàòü íå òîëüêî àíòèáèîòèêîâ, íî è âîîáùå íèêàêèõ ëåêàðñòâ.
Ïðè ïîäîçðåíèè íà áàêòåðèàëüíóþ èíôåêöèþ, ÿ íå ëþáëþ íàçíà÷àòü ìàêðîëèäû. ( ó ìåíÿ íåò ìîíèòîðèíãà óñòîé÷èâûõ øòàììîâ ïíåâìîêîêêîâ ê ìàêðîëèäîì, à ýòî áûâàåò ÷àùå, ÷åì ê àìîêñèöèëèíó) , ïîýòîìó ïðåïàðàò âûáîðà –ôëåìîêñèí.
À äàëåå ñëåæó çà îáñòàíîâêîé â ðåãèîíå, ñïðàøèâàþ æåíó –ïåäèàòðà, íå ïîÿâèëèñü ëè äåòè ñ «àòèïè÷íûì» êàøëåì. Åñëè âñòðå÷àþ òàêèõ, íå îäíîãî, à ñåðèþ ( äåòè áîëåþò êàê ãðèáû «ñëîé ïîøåë»)– ïîäêëþ÷àþ ( ÷åðåç îäíîãî) ìàêðîëèäû, è ñðàâíèâàþ êàòàìíåç.
Íî â ðåàëüíîé æèçíè ìó÷èòåëüíûé êàøåëü ( êàê ó Îëåñè) –ýòî êîêëþø. Åãî áîëüøå ÷åì «õëàìèäèé» (åñëè íåò âñïûøêè. «ëåòíèõ áðîíõèòîâ» èëè « ìèêîïëàçìåííûõ ïàíäåìèé ðàç â 4 ãîäà»)
Ýòî ìîå ÈÌÕÎ. Ìîé ïðàêòè÷åñêèé îïûò. À äîêàçàòåëüíîé áàçû ïî ýòîé òåìå åùå íåò
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #49  
Ñòàðûé 19.01.2008, 19:50
filbi filbi âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.02.2006
Ãîðîä: Mîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 715
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 124 ðàç(à) çà 105 ñîîáùåíèé
filbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
íó òî åñòü ôàêòè÷åñêè âíå âñïûøêè Âû ìàêðîëèäû íå íàçíà÷àåòå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #50  
Ñòàðûé 20.01.2008, 13:47
gfraspopov gfraspopov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Áîðîâè÷è
Ñîîáùåíèé: 76
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 10 ðàç(à) çà 3 ñîîáùåíèé
gfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
[quote=Morphey;417061]
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò gfraspopov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ä.À. –«…×óâñòâóþ Ñåáÿ ïîëíûì íåâåæäîé…»

....Âû çíàåòå, åñëè ÿ ïîïðîáóþ ñíÿòü ïðèñòóï àñòìû ðóëèäîì (íåñìîòðÿ íà òî, ÷òî ãîâîðÿò îí "ðóëèò") äèïëîì ó ìåíÿ ìîãóò è çàáðàòü...


Ñ óâàæåíèåì Ä.À.
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Ìíîãî÷èñëåííûå äàííûå, ïðåäñòàâëåííûå â çàðóáåæíîé ëèòåðàòóðå ïîñëåäíèõ ëåò, ñâèäåòåëüñòâóþò î òîì, ÷òî õëàìèäèéíàÿ èíôåêöèÿ àêòèâíî âëèÿåò íà èììóíîëîãè÷åñêèå ðåàêöèè áîëüíîãî ÁÀ, èçìåíÿÿ òå÷åíèå îñíîâíîãî çàáîëåâàíèÿ. Êðîìå òîãî, áîëüíûå ñ àòîïè÷åñêîé ôîðìîé ÁÀ ïðåäðàñïîëîæåíû ê ïåðñèñòèðóþùåìó òå÷åíèþ âíóòðèêëåòî÷íûõ èíôåêöèé. Ó áîëüíûõ ñ àòîïè÷åñêîé áðîíõèàëüíîé àñòìîé, èíôèöèðîâàííûõ Ch. pn., ñ îäíîé ñòîðîíû, èìååò ìåñòî ãåíåòè÷åñêè îáóñëîâëåííàÿ ãèïåðïðîäóêöèÿ IgE è ðÿäà öèòîêèíîâ (IL-3, IL-4, IL-5, IL-6, TNF-α è äð.), êîòîðûå ïîääåðæèâàþò àëëåðãè÷åñêîå âîñïàëåíèå, ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, íèçêèé óðîâåíü ÈÍÔ-γ è ãèïåðïðîäóêöèÿ ÈË-5, õàðàêòåðíûå äëÿ ýòîé ãðóïïû áîëüíûõ, îáëåã÷àþò èíôèöèðîâàíèå è ñïîñîáñòâóþò ïåðñèñòåíöèè âîçáóäèòåëÿ.
Ñîãëàñíî ðàçëè÷íûì ïóáëèêàöèÿì, ñ ñåðîëîãè÷åñêè ïîäòâåðæäåííîé õëàìèäèîçíîé ðåñïèðàòîðíîé èíôåêöèåé àññîöèèðóþò êàê ðàçâèòèå îñòðûõ ïðèñòóïîâ óäóøüÿ, òàê è õðîíè÷åñêîå, ðåöèäèâèðóþùåå òå÷åíèå ÁÀ, ÷òî ïîäòâåðæäàåò ðîëü ýòîãî âíóòðèêëåòî÷íîãî ïàòîãåíà â ðàçâèòèè ãèïåððåàêòèâíîñòè äûõàòåëüíûõ ïóòåé [3].
Ïîêàçàíî, ÷òî ó äåòåé ñ ÁÀ â âîçðàñòå äî ïÿòè ëåò, èíôèöèðîâàííûõ Ch. ðn., áðîíõîñïàçì âîçíèêàåò äîñòîâåðíî ÷àùå, ÷åì ó íåèíôèöèðîâàííûõ.
×ðåçâû÷àéíî âàæíûìè ïðåäñòàâëÿþòñÿ ìíîãî÷èñëåííûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ, ïîêàçàâøèå ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ïðîòèâîõëàìèäèéíîé òåðàïèè ó áîëüíûõ ñ ÁÀ, èíôèöèðîâàííûõ Ch. pn.
Ìóëüòèöåíòðîâûå ìåæäóíàðîäíûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ,
ïðîâåäåííûå ñðåäè áîëüíûõ 13–65 ëåò, ñòðàäàþùèõ ÁÀ, ïîêàçàëè, ÷òî çíà÷èòåëüíîå óëó÷øåíèå òå÷åíèÿ çàáîëåâàíèÿ è óìåíüøåíèå ñòåðîèäîçàâèñèìîñòè íàáëþäàëèñü ïîñëå òðåõìåñÿ÷íîãî êóðñà àíòèáàêòåðèàëüíîé òåðàïèè àíòèáèîòèêàìè ìàêðîëèäàìè.
Èññëåäîâàíèÿ, ïðîâåäåííûå â Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè è ÑØÀ, âûÿâèëè ñòàòèñòè÷åñêè äîñòîâåðíîå óâåëè÷åíèå ÷àñòîòû çàáîëåâàåìîñòè ñòåðîèäîçàâèñèìûìè ôîðìàìè áðîíõèàëüíîé àñòìû ó áîëüíûõ, èíôèöèðîâàííûõ Ch. ðn., ïî ñðàâíåíèþ ñ íåèíôèöèðîâàííûìè. Ïîñëå ïðîâåäåíèÿ ñïåöèôè÷åñêîé àíòèáàêòåðèàëüíîé òåðàïèè îòìå÷àëîñü îáëåã÷åíèå òå÷åíèÿ çàáîëåâàíèÿ è ñíèæåíèå ñòåðîèäîçàâèñèìîñòè.
Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ñâîåâðåìåííî ïðîâåäåííàÿ ýðàäèêàöèÿ àòèïè÷íûõ ïàòîãåíîâ ó áîëüíûõ ñ áðîíõèàëüíîé àñòìîé â ñî÷åòàíèè ñ áàçèñíîé ïðîòèâîâîñïàëèòåëüíîé è, ïðè íåîáõîäèìîñòè, áðîíõîëèòè÷åñêîé òåðàïèåé ìîæåò ñïîñîáñòâîâàòü óëó÷øåíèþ òå÷åíèÿ è ïðîãíîçà çàáîëåâàíèÿ.
Àëåêñàíäð.
ß åùå íå íàó÷èëñÿ îòëè÷àòü ñòàòüè ÄÌ îò íå-ÄÌ. Íî ïîõîæå ýòî ÄÌ.
Íåáîëüøèå îòëè÷èÿ îò òîãî, ÷òî ïðîöèòèðîâàëè Âû åñòü . Ïðîêîììåíòèðóéòå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #51  
Ñòàðûé 20.01.2008, 14:22
Àâàòàð äëÿ Morphey
Morphey Morphey âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 07.07.2007
Ãîðîä: Lisbon
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,839
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 369 ðàç(à) çà 285 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 8
Morphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Çäðàâñòâóéòå!
À ÿ âñå ïðîñìàòðèâàþ òåìó, è ñàì ñåáå äóìàþ - íåóæåëè ïðî ìîëîäîãî "ëèññàá.òåîðåòèêà" çàáûëè. Àí íåò, âñïîìíèëè.
Êîììåíòàðèé îäèí è ïðîñüáà - "íå âûäåðãèâàòü ôðàçû èç èç êîíòåêñòà".

Ïî ïîâîäó ìóëüòèöåíòðîâûõ èññëåäîâàíèé (â Âàìè ïðèâåäåííîé ñòàòüå) - íå íàøåë ññûëêó íè íà îäíî, äàæå íàçâàíèÿ íå óïîìèíàþò. Âíèìàòåëüíî ïåðå÷èòàë èñïîëüçîâàííóþ ëèòåðàòóðó, òîæå íåò. Áîëåå òîãî - èñïîëüçîâàëñÿ òîëüêî îäèí çàðóáåæíûé èñòî÷íèê - Áèòòè (1996), îñòàëüíûå êàê îäèí Ðîññèéñêèå - ×ó÷àëèí, Ñàìñûãèíà è ïð. Äà è ëèòåðàòóðà 10-15 ëåòíåé äàâíîñòè.
Ïðîñòèòå, ýòî íå ÄÌ.

Äàëåå îáñóæäàòü íå âèæó ñìûñëà. Ïîèùèòå â Ìåäñêàéïå. Òàì ìîæíî, ÷òî ñòîÿùåãî íàéòè.

P.S. Ïðîñòèòå, íå çàìåòèë, ÷òî ïðîñüáà ïðîêîììåíòèðîâàòü îòíîñèòñÿ ê Àëåêñàíäðó. Êñòàòè ÷òî èìåííî, ìîþ öèòàòó èëè Âàø "ìàòåðèàë"?

Ñ óâàæåíèåì Ä.À.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #52  
Ñòàðûé 20.01.2008, 15:26
gfraspopov gfraspopov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Áîðîâè÷è
Ñîîáùåíèé: 76
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 10 ðàç(à) çà 3 ñîîáùåíèé
gfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Morphey Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Çäðàâñòâóéòå!

...Äàëåå îáñóæäàòü íå âèæó ñìûñëà. ...Ñ óâàæåíèåì Ä.À.
Äà íåò. Ìû âåäü óæå ñåðüåçíî!. Âàø îòâåò ìåíÿ óñòðàèâàåò..
Ïîêà ó ìåíÿ «ðåôëåêñîì ñòàëî, ÷òî äåòÿì ñ ÎÐÂÈ ìèêñòóðû îò êàøëÿ è àíòèáèîòèêè äàâàòü íå íàäî». À âîò, ÷òî Ðîññèéñêèõ àâòîðîâ óðîâíÿ-
Î. Â. Çàéöåâà, êàíäèäàò ìåäèöèíñêèõ íàóê
Ì. Þ. Ùåðáàêîâà, äîêòîð ìåäèöèíñêèõ íàóê,
Ã. À. Ñàìñûãèíà, äîêòîð ìåäèöèíñêèõ íàóê, ïðîôåññîð
ÐÃÌÓ, Ìîñêâà
-âñåðüåç âîñïðèíèìàòü íå ñòîèò, êàê-òî «ñäåëàòü ðåôëåêñîì» òðóäíî. Íåóæåëè íà ÐÌÑ ïðèçíàåòñÿ òîëüêî «Ïîèùèòå â Ìåäñêàéïå»?.
ß òàê ïîíÿë. Î ðîëè «- ðóëèä –õëàìèäèÿ- áð. Àñòìà» è Âû è ÿ îñòàëèñü ïðè ñâîåì ìíåíèè.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #53  
Ñòàðûé 20.01.2008, 15:59
Àâàòàð äëÿ Morphey
Morphey Morphey âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 07.07.2007
Ãîðîä: Lisbon
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,839
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 369 ðàç(à) çà 285 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 8
Morphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò gfraspopov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
À âîò, ÷òî Ðîññèéñêèõ àâòîðîâ óðîâíÿ-
Î. Â. Çàéöåâà, êàíäèäàò ìåäèöèíñêèõ íàóê
Ì. Þ. Ùåðáàêîâà, äîêòîð ìåäèöèíñêèõ íàóê,
Ã. À. Ñàìñûãèíà, äîêòîð ìåäèöèíñêèõ íàóê, ïðîôåññîð
ÐÃÌÓ, Ìîñêâà
-âñåðüåç âîñïðèíèìàòü íå ñòîèò, êàê-òî «ñäåëàòü ðåôëåêñîì» òðóäíî.
Ïî ïîâîäó Ðîññèéñêèõ àâòîðîâ, îò êîììåíòàðèåâ âîçäåðæóñü, íå ìîé óðîâåíü. Âîò òîëüêî ïî÷åìó òî èõ "íàó÷íûå" ðàáîòû íå âñåãäà (ìÿãêî ãîâîðÿ) ïðèçíàþòñÿ â ìèðîâîì ìåäèöèíñêîì ñîîáùåñòâå. Ïîäóìàéòå, ïî÷åìó???

Öèòàòà:
Íåóæåëè íà ÐÌÑ ïðèçíàåòñÿ òîëüêî «Ïîèùèòå â Ìåäñêàéïå»?.
Íå ñìåéòåñü, ïðîñòî ýòî îäèí èç íàèáîëåå ïðîñòûõ ñïîñîáîâ íàéòè ïðîâåðåííóþ èíôîðìàöèþ íà òó èëè èíóþ ïðîáëåìó ñ ïîçèöèé ÄÌ. Íåò ëÿïû è êàçóñû íèêòî íå èñêëþ÷àåò, íî îíè åäèíè÷íû.

Öèòàòà:
ß òàê ïîíÿë. Î ðîëè «- ðóëèä –õëàìèäèÿ- áð. Àñòìà» è Âû è ÿ îñòàëèñü ïðè ñâîåì ìíåíèè.
Ìíåíèÿ íè ïðè÷åì. Åñòü ëîãèêà - ïðèñòóï àñòìû - ïåðâîå ñíÿòü. Åñëè åñòü ïîäîçðåíèÿ, îñíîâàíèÿ, èò.ä. - ïîäóìàòü î ïðè÷èíàõ îáîñòðåíèÿ, â òîì ÷èñëå è îá àòèïè÷íûõ âîçáóäèòåëÿõ. Íî íå íàîáîðîò, è óæ òåì áîëåå íå íàçíà÷àòü àíòèáèîòèê äëÿ ñíÿòèÿ áðîíõîñïàçìà. ß òîëüêî îá ýòîì.

Ñ óâàæåíèåì Ä.À.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #54  
Ñòàðûé 20.01.2008, 16:28
filbi filbi âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 17.02.2006
Ãîðîä: Mîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 715
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 124 ðàç(à) çà 105 ñîîáùåíèé
filbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåfilbi ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Óâàæàåìûé Ìîðôåé!
Ìíå êàæåòñÿ Âû ñìåøèâàåòå ïîíÿòèå ãàéäîâ, ãäå êîíå÷íî íå íàïèñàíî, ÷òî ïðè àñòìå íóæíî èñêàòü õäàìèäèè è äàâàòü ìàêðîëèäû, è íàó÷íûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ, êîòîðûõ, ïîñâÿùåííûõ õëàìèäèÿì è àñòìå, ìíîæåñòâî, è ìíîãèå èç íèõ âûïîëíåíû âïîëíå â äóõå ÄÌ. Åùå áîëüøå èññëåäîâàíèé , ïîñâÿùåííûõ äåéñòâèþ ìàêðîëèäîâ ïðè àñòìå, òàê êàê èçó÷àåòñÿ íå òîëüêî èõ àíòèáàêòåðèàëüíûé ýôôåêò, íî è íåñïåöèôè÷åñêîå ïðîòèâîâîñïàëèòåëüíîå äåéñòâèå.
Òàêæå ìíå íåïîíÿòíî îäíîçíà÷íîå âîñïðèÿòèå ðîññèéñêèõ ñòàòåé êàê íåñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ äóõó ÄÌ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #55  
Ñòàðûé 20.01.2008, 17:47
Àâàòàð äëÿ Morphey
Morphey Morphey âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 07.07.2007
Ãîðîä: Lisbon
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,839
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 1
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 369 ðàç(à) çà 285 ñîîáùåíèé
Çàïèñåé â äíåâíèêå: 8
Morphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåMorphey ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò filbi Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Óâàæàåìûé Ìîðôåé!
Ìíå êàæåòñÿ Âû ñìåøèâàåòå ïîíÿòèå ãàéäîâ, ãäå êîíå÷íî íå íàïèñàíî, ÷òî ïðè àñòìå íóæíî èñêàòü õäàìèäèè è äàâàòü ìàêðîëèäû, è íàó÷íûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ, êîòîðûõ, ïîñâÿùåííûõ õëàìèäèÿì è àñòìå, ìíîæåñòâî, è ìíîãèå èç íèõ âûïîëíåíû âïîëíå â äóõå ÄÌ.
ß ÷åñòíî ãîâîðÿ, íå î÷åíü ïîíÿë, ÷òî Âû èìåëè ââèäó èëè õîòåëè ñêàçàòü... è îòêóäà òàêîé âûâîä.
Ìîè ñëîâà, ìîãó ïîâòîðèòü, î ëîãèêå.

Ñíÿòü áðîíõîîáñòðóêöèþ, äàëåå, åñëè åñòü îñíîâàíèÿ - äóìàòü î ïðè÷èíå, âûçâàâøåé îáñòðåíèå. Ïðè ÷åì çäåñü "ïîíÿòèÿ ãàéäîâ" (êàê ýòî), ïðî ìàêðîëèäû âîîáùå íå óïîìèíàë, è äóõ ÄÌ (ïðîñòî òî÷íî Õîãâàðòñ)???

Öèòàòà:
Åùå áîëüøå èññëåäîâàíèé , ïîñâÿùåííûõ äåéñòâèþ ìàêðîëèäîâ ïðè àñòìå, òàê êàê èçó÷àåòñÿ íå òîëüêî èõ àíòèáàêòåðèàëüíûé ýôôåêò, íî è íåñïåöèôè÷åñêîå ïðîòèâîâîñïàëèòåëüíîå äåéñòâèå.
Âî êîãäà áóäóò âûâîäû, òîãäà è ìîæíî áóäåò ãîâîðèòü. À èññëåäóåòñÿ â ìèðå î÷åíü "ìíîãî ÷åãî". È ïîêà ìàêðîëèäû íå âõîäÿò â ëå÷åíèå àñòìû, è îòäåëüíàÿ ôîðìà, ñâÿçàííàÿ ñ õëàìèäèéíîé èíôåêöèåé íå âûäåëåíà.

Öèòàòà:
Òàêæå ìíå íåïîíÿòíî îäíîçíà÷íîå âîñïðèÿòèå ðîññèéñêèõ ñòàòåé êàê íåñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ äóõó ÄÌ.
È ãäå, îïÿòü æå, Âû, óâèäåëè "îäíîçíà÷íîå âîñïðèÿòèå" ?  ìîèõ ñëîâàõ, ÷òî ÿ íå â ïðàâå ñóäèòü? Ïîâòîðþñü, ýòî íå äåëî ìîëîäîãî âðà÷à, êîèì ÿâëÿþñü, îáñóæäàòü "âûñîêèå ìàòåðèè" î ñîîòâåòñòâèè ÄÌ, òåõ èëè èíûõ ðàáîò óâàæàåìûõ àâòîðîâ.
Ìîãó òîëüêî âûðàçèòü ñîæàëåíèå, ÷òî ðàáîòû Ðîññèéñêèõ àâòîðîâ ìàëîèçâåñòíû â ìèðå. Ïî÷òè íå âñòðå÷àë ðóññêèõ ôàìèëèé â àâòîðàõ ðóêîâîäñòâ ïî òîé æå àñòìå, ïî äðóãèì çàáîëåâàíèÿì. Ãàðèññîí - òåðàïåâòè÷åñêèé ó÷åáíèê è ðóêîâîäñòâî - èçâåñòíî âñåìó ìèðó, àâòîðû èç ðàçíûõ ñòðàí, êðîìå Ðîññèè.

Ñ óâàæåíèåì Ä.À.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #56  
Ñòàðûé 20.01.2008, 18:11
gfraspopov gfraspopov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Áîðîâè÷è
Ñîîáùåíèé: 76
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 10 ðàç(à) çà 3 ñîîáùåíèé
gfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò filbi Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
...èçó÷àåòñÿ íå òîëüêî èõ àíòèáàêòåðèàëüíûé ýôôåêò, íî è íåñïåöèôè÷åñêîå ïðîòèâîâîñïàëèòåëüíîå äåéñòâèå.
....
Ñïàñèáî!.  ñâîåé ïðàêòèêå ÿ ÷àñòî îòìå÷àë., ( âíå «âñïûøåê» àòèïè÷íûõ ïíåâìîíèé)
×òî íà ôîíå îáû÷íîé òåðàïèè àñòìû äîáàâëåíèå ìàêðîëèäîâ óëó÷øàåò òå÷åíèå çàáîëåâàíèÿ.
À âîò åùå çàãàäêà èç ïðàêòèêè, êîãäà ìíå êàçàëîñü, ÷òî ó ìåíÿ ãàëëþöèíàöèè, íî Âàøà ôðàçà -«… Åùå áîëüøå èññëåäîâàíèé , ïîñâÿùåííûõ äåéñòâèþ ìàêðîëèäîâ ïðè àñòìå, òàê êàê èçó÷àåòñÿ íå òîëüêî èõ àíòèáàêòåðèàëüíûé ýôôåêò, íî è íåñïåöèôè÷åñêîå ïðîòèâîâîñïàëèòåëüíîå äåéñòâèå…»
Ïðèìåð; - ëåòî 2006 ãîäà .  äåðåâíå, « òåïåðü óâàæàåìîé âñåìè, Ìîøåíñêîå» âñïûøêà ðåñïèðàòîðíî –ñèíöèòèàëüíîé èíôåêöèè. ( Ýòî íèêåì íå ïîäòâåðæäåíî è íå ïðèçíàíî, ýòî ìîå ìíåíèå, ïî êëèíè÷åñêèì ñîïîñòàâëåíèåì)
Áîëåþò è íåîðãàíèçîâàííûå äåòè äî ãîäà è áîëüøèíñòâî äåòåé â ñàäó. Íè îäíîãî ðåáåíêà ïîõîæåãî íà òèïè÷íûå êîêëþø-ìèêîïëàçìó-õëàìèäèþ íå âñòðå÷àþ.( À ïðè âñïûøêå, êîãäà çà ìåñÿö îáðàòèëîñü ïîä ñîòíþ äåòåé, èõ áû óâèäåë).
Êëèíèêó îïèñûâàòü íå áóäó. Îíà êàê ïî ó÷åáíèêó.
Ìåíÿ â ýòîé èñòîðèè èíòåðåñóåò òîëüêî îáñòðóêòèâíûé ñèíäðîì, êîòîðûé âñòðå÷àëñÿ ó 30% äåòåé. È åãî ïðèõîäèëîñü ñíèìàòü. Òàê ïîëó÷èëîñü, ÷òî è ÿ, è äðóãèå äîêòîðà (è ôåëüäøåðà ñêîðîé) íåêîòîðûì äåòÿì íàçíà÷àëè àíòèáèîòèêè. Íåêîòîðûì ïåíèöèëëèíû, íåêîòîðûì ìàêðîëèäû. Òàê âîò, ÿ ÿñíî óâèäåë, äåòè, ïîëó÷èâøèå ðîêñèòðîìèöèí, ÷åðåç 3 äíÿ ïðèõîäÿò áåç õðèïîâ è îäûøêè, ÷åðåç íåäåëþ âûïèñûâàþòñÿ â ñàä. À ïîëó÷àâøèå ôëåìîêñèí, «õðèïÿò» ïî 2 íåäåëè è áîëüøå.
Òîãäà ÿ «çàïóòàëñÿ», íåóæåëè ýòî êàêàÿ-òî «õëàìèäèÿ», âåäü íà âèðóñ ìàêðîëèäû íå äåéñòâóþò?
Êòî âèäåë ñòàòüè –«ÐÑ –èíôåêöèÿ è ìàêðîëèäû»?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #57  
Ñòàðûé 20.01.2008, 18:38
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.
Dr. Dr. âíå ôîðóìà
Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 29.07.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 10,123
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 446 ðàç(à) çà 427 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïðî ðåçèñòåíòíîñòü S.pneumoniae

S.pneumoniae: â Ðîññèè áîëüøèíñòâî øòàììîâ ÷óâñòâèòåëüíû ê ïåíèöèëëèíó, ÷òî ïîçâîëÿåò èñïîëüçîâàòü ïðè ëå÷åíèè ÂÏ àìîêñèöèëëèí è öåôàëîñïîðèíû. Ê êî-òðèìîêñàçîëó áîëåå 1/3 øòàììîâ ïíåâìîêîêêà óñòîé÷èâû. Ïíåâìîêîêêè ïîëíîñòüþ óñòîé÷èâû ê ãåíòàìèöèíó è äðóãèì àìèíîãëèêîçèäàì, ïîýòîìó òåðàïèÿ ÂÏ àíòèáèîòèêàìè äàííîé ãðóïïû â àìáóëàòîðíûõ óñëîâèÿõ íåäîïóñòèìà.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Àíòèáàêòåðèàëüíàÿ òåðàïèÿ âíåáîëüíè÷íîé ïíåâìîíèè ó äåòåé
Ë.Ñ. Ñòðà÷óíñêèé, Ë.Ï. Æàðêîâà.

Ïðî ïíåéìîíèè ó äåòåé:

> 5 ëåò S.pneumoniae, M.pneumoniae, C.pneumoniae
Âíóòðü: ÀÌÎ, Ìàêðîëèä


Áûëî áû î ÷åì ãîâîðèòü! ÐÑ-âèðóñ íå äîêàçàí, ÷òî æ òóò ñêàæåøü? Ñ Âàøèõ ñëîâ ñêîðåå èìååò ìåñòî äèàãíîñòèêà ex juvantibus àòèïè÷íîé ôëîðû, åñëè ìîæíî ýòî òàê íàçâàòü (ñî ñëîâ ôåëüäøåðîâ, áûëî òàêîå è ïð.). ß óâàæàþ äèôôåðåíöèàëüíóþ äèàãíîñòèêó ÎÐÂÈ ïî êëèíèêå è äàæå âñå áîëåå-ìåíå ïîìíþ, íî íà ñîâðåìåííîì óðîâíå íå òàê âñå íàäåæíî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #58  
Ñòàðûé 20.01.2008, 19:07
gfraspopov gfraspopov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Áîðîâè÷è
Ñîîáùåíèé: 76
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 10 ðàç(à) çà 3 ñîîáùåíèé
gfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïðî ðåçèñòåíòíîñòü S.pneumoniae
Ñïàñèáî! Ó ìåíÿ âñåãäà áûë áîëüøåé âûáîð ðóñêîÿçû÷íûõ àâòîðîâ.


[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Òåðàïèÿ ÎÐÇ ó äåòåé
Â.Ê. Òàòî÷åíêî
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Ñîâðåìåííûå âîçìîæíîñòè ýòèîòðîïíîé òåðàïèè áàêòåðèàëüíûõ è âèðóñíî-áàêòåðèàëüíûõ ÎÐÇ ó äåòåé
Ê.ì.í. À.Ë. Çàïëàòíèêîâ, ïðîôåññîð Í.À. Êîðîâèíà

ÐÌÀÏÎ
[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
ÀÍÒÈÁÀÊÒÅÐÈÀËÜÍÀß ÒÅÐÀÏÈß
ÂÍÅÁÎËÜÍÈ×ÍÎÉ ÏÍÅÂÌÎÍÈÈ Ó ÄÅÒÅÉ

Ë.Ñ. Ñòðà÷óíñêèé, Ë.Ï. Æàðêîâà


-))) "...Áûëî áû î ÷åì ãîâîðèòü! ÐÑ-âèðóñ íå äîêàçàí, ÷òî æ òóò ñêàæåøü?..."

___ Íå ñïîðþ!. Íî ÿ íèêîãäà íå ïîñòàâëþ äèàãíîç ïî îäíîé êëèíèêå ó åäèíè÷íîãî ðåáåíêà. ß ãîâîðþ î âñïûøêå. (Çäåñü ÿ ðåäêî îøèáàþñü)
ß ïðîñòî ðàññóæäàþ âñëóõ íà Ñîîáùåíèå îò filbi
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #59  
Ñòàðûé 20.01.2008, 20:13
LupusDoc LupusDoc âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 04.08.2007
Ãîðîä: RUSSIA
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4,176
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,091 ðàç(à) çà 998 ñîîáùåíèé
LupusDoc ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåLupusDoc ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåLupusDoc ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåLupusDoc ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåLupusDoc ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåLupusDoc ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåLupusDoc ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåLupusDoc ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåLupusDoc ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåLupusDoc ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåLupusDoc ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò gfraspopov Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Êòî âèäåë ñòàòüè –«ÐÑ –èíôåêöèÿ è ìàêðîëèäû»?
Òàêèå ñòàòüè åñòü.
Íàïðèìåð, òóðêè ïðîâåëè ÐÊÈ êëàðèòðîìèöèíà ïðè áðîíõèîëèòå, âûçâàííîì RSV-èíôåêöèåé (21 ìëàäåíåö). Ïî óòâåðæäåíèÿì àâòîðîâ ýòî áûëî äâîéíîå-ñëåïîå ïëàöåáî-êîíòðîëèðóåìîå ÊÈ. Ïðîäîëæèòåëüíîñòü ëå÷åíèÿ 3 íåäåëè (ÿâíî íå àíòèáàêòåðèàëüíûé ýôôåêò ïûòàëèñü îöåíèòü). Ïî ðåçóëüòàòàì ýòèõ àâòîðîâ êëàðèòðîìèöèí ñíèæàë ïðîäîëæèòåëüíîñòü ïðåáûâàíèÿ â ñòàöèîíàðå, ïîòðåáíîñòü â êèñëîðîäå è ïîòðåáíîñòü â áåòà-àãîíèñòàõ. Ïîâîòîðíûå ãîñïèòàëèçàöèè áûëè çíà÷èìî ðåæå â ãðóïïå êëàðèòðîìèöèíà. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Ïðàâäà, â ïèñüìå â ýòîò æóðíàë ýêñïåðòû íå ñîãëàñèëèñü ñ âûâîäàìè àâòîðîâ ýòîãî ÐÊÈ è ñ÷èòàþò ðîëü ìàêðîëèäîâ â ëå÷åíèè RSV-èíôåêöèè íåäîêàçàííîé. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #60  
Ñòàðûé 20.01.2008, 20:16
gfraspopov gfraspopov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.10.2006
Ãîðîä: Áîðîâè÷è
Ñîîáùåíèé: 76
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 2
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 10 ðàç(à) çà 3 ñîîáùåíèé
gfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìågfraspopov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò Dr. Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Ïðî ïíåâìîíèè ó äåòåé:

> 5 ëåò S.pneumoniae, M.pneumoniae, C.pneumoniae
Âíóòðü: ÀÌÎ, Ìàêðîëèä


.

[Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]
Ðîëü õèíîëîíîâ â àíòèáàêòåðèàëüíîé òåðàïèè. Ìåõàíèçì äåéñòâèÿ, óñòîé÷èâîñòü ìèêðîîðãàíèçìîâ, ôàðìàêîêèíåòèêà è ïåðåíîñèìîñòü
Ïðîôåññîð Ñ.Â. Ñèäîðåíêî
Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé íàó÷íûé öåíòð ïî àíòèáèîòèêàì, Ìîñêâà
-«…Åñëè ÌÏÊ ëåâîôëîêñàöèíà â îòíîøåíèè ïíåâìîêîêêîâ òîëüêî â 2 ðàçà ìåíüøå, ÷åì ÌÏÊ öèïðîôëîêñàöèíà è îôëîêñàöèíà è êîëåáëåòñÿ â ïðåäåëàõ 0,5-1,0 ìêã/ìë, òî äëÿ ñïàðôëîêñàöèíà è ìîêñèôëîêñàöèíà ýòîò ïîêàçàòåëü ñîñòàâëÿåò 0,25 ìêã/ìë è ìåíüøå, à äëÿ êëèíàôëîêñàöèíà (ïðåïàðàòà, íå âîøåäøåãî â ìåäèöèíñêóþ ïðàêòèêó) è ãåìèôëîêñàöèíà 0,06 ìêã/ìë. Âàæíûì ñâîéñòâîì "àíòèïíåâìîêîêêîâûõ" õèíîëîíîâ ÿâëÿåòñÿ èõ âûñîêàÿ àêòèâíîñòü â îòíîøåíèè àòèïè÷íûõ ïàòîãåíîâ (õëàìèäèé è ìèêîïëàçì),…»
Äàâíî èíòåðåñóþñü ýòèìè ïðåïàðàòàìè, ó äåòåé íå ïðîáîâàë.
Àëåêñàíäð!
Êàê Âû îòíîñèòåñü ê èñïîëüçîâàíèþ ýòèõ ïðåïàðàòîâ. Íàïðèìåð . ó ïîäðîñòêîâ è ñòàðøèõ øêîëüíèêîâ?.
Ñïàðôëîêñàöèí- ïîÿâèëñÿ â àïòåêàõ ïî ïðèåìëåìîé öåíå.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
Îòâåò



Âàøè ïðàâà â ðàçäåëå
Âû íå ìîæåòå ñîçäàâàòü òåìû
Âû íå ìîæåòå îòâå÷àòü íà ñîîáùåíèÿ
Âû íå ìîæåòå ïðèêðåïëÿòü ôàéëû
Âû íå ìîæåòå ðåäàêòèðîâàòü ñîîáùåíèÿ

BB êîäû Âêë.
Ñìàéëû Âêë.
[IMG] êîä Âêë.
HTML êîä Âûêë.



×àñîâîé ïîÿñ GMT +3, âðåìÿ: 14:35.




Ðàáîòàåò íà vBulletin® âåðñèÿ 3.
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.