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Îïöèè òåìû Ïîèñê â ýòîé òåìå Îïöèè ïðîñìîòðà
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Ñòàðûé 25.07.2012, 18:21
ChakaKhan ChakaKhan âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.10.2009
Ãîðîä: Kiev
Ñîîáùåíèé: 25
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
ChakaKhan *
Ìíîæåñòâåííûå ïåðåëîìû

Ïàöèåíòêà,74 ãîäà æàëîáû íà ìíîæåñòâåííûå ïåðåëîìû ïðè ìèíèìàëüíîé òðàâìå,ïîâîðîòå â ïîñòåëè, ïàäåíèè ñ âûñîòû ðîñòà. íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ ïðàêòè÷åñêè íå ïåðåäâèãàåòñÿ. àíàìíåçå ïåðåëîì ïëå÷åâîé êîñòè, ìíîæåñòâåííûå ïåðåëîìû ðåáåð, â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ ïåðåëîì êîñòåé òàçà ñ ïîâðåæäåíèåì ëîííîãî ñî÷ëåíåíèÿ. Îáñëåäîâàëàñü â ãåìàòîëîãè÷åñêîì îòäåëåíèè ìèåëîìíàÿ áîëåçíü èñêëþ÷åíà .ßçâåííîé áîëåçíè è êàìíåé â ïî÷êàõ íå áûëî. Êðåàòèíèí ïåðèîäè÷åñêè ïîâûøàëñÿ äî 133.,ìåðöàòåëüíàÿ àðèòìèÿ ,êàðäèàëüíûé öèððîç ïå÷åíè.
Ïàðàòãîðìîí 184.2(15-65
ìî÷åâèíà 5.7, êðåàòèíèí-98
îáùèé áåëîê 63(57-82)
êàëüöèé 2.31(2.18-2.60)
êàëüöèé èîíèçèðîâàííûé 1.21(1.13-1.32)
ôîñôîð1.23(0.78-1.65)
Âèòàìèí Ä3 106(48-144) Ïàðàòèðåîñöèíòèãðàôèÿ ïðîâåäåííàÿ 2 ãîäà íàçàä ïàòîëîãèè íå âûÿâèëà. Ìîæíî ëè ñ÷èòàòü ïîâûøåíèå ïàðàò ãîðìîíà ñëåäñòâèåì íàðóøåíèÿ ôóíêöèè ïå÷åíè? Êàêèå ïðåïàðàòû ëó÷øå èñïîëüçîâàòü äëÿ ïðåäîòâðàùåíèÿ ïåðåëîìîâ â äàííîì ñëó÷àå? Âñåì îãðîìíîå ñïàñèáî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 25.07.2012, 21:30
camelot camelot âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.08.2010
Ãîðîä: ×åëÿáèíñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,628
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 171
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 477 ðàç(à) çà 471 ñîîáùåíèé
camelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
óêàæèòå,ïîæàëóéñòà,ðîñò è âåñ ïàöèåíòêè, âîçðàñò íàñòóïëåíèÿ ìåíîïàóçû,äëèòåëüíî ïðèìåíÿåìûå ïðåïàðàòû, íàñëåäñòâåííîñòü.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 27.07.2012, 13:06
ChakaKhan ChakaKhan âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.10.2009
Ãîðîä: Kiev
Ñîîáùåíèé: 25
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
ChakaKhan *
164ñì, 68 êã,55 ëåò
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 28.07.2012, 06:34
ValentinaP ValentinaP âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 30.06.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2,837
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 15
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 1,025 ðàç(à) çà 1,004 ñîîáùåíèé
ValentinaP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåValentinaP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåValentinaP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåValentinaP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåValentinaP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåValentinaP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåValentinaP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåValentinaP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåValentinaP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
êðàòêîñòü êîíå÷íî ñåñòðà òàëàíòà, íî ó ìåíÿ åùå âîïðîñû:
- òàê ïîíèìàþ ÷òî ïàðàòãîðìîí óæå áûë ïîâûøåí è ðàíüøå(ðàç óæ 2 ãîäà íàçàä çàøëà ðå÷ü î ñöèíòè)- öèôðû?. Êàëüöèé â äèíàìèêå?
--òàêîé 25ÎÍÄ áåç äîïîëíèòåëüíûõ íàçíà÷åíèé? Êàê òî...
-àêòóàëüíûé êðåàòèíèí ñåé÷àñ?
- ñóòî÷íàÿ ìî÷à íà êàëüöèé?
-ïåðå÷èñëèòå âñå ïðåïàðàòû

âûáîð ÿñíî ÷òî íå âåëèê:
- ïåðîðàëüíûå áèñôîñôîíàòû îòïàäàþò ïî íåïîäâèæíîñòè
-âíóòðèâåííûå (íþàíñ ñ êðåàòèíèíîì è àðèòìèåé)
- èìõî áèâàëîñ íå óäîáåí
-õóæå ñ ìèàêàëüöèêà íå áóäåò.
- à îñòàëüíîå ñëèøêîì äîðîãî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 30.07.2012, 21:49
ChakaKhan ChakaKhan âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 11.10.2009
Ãîðîä: Kiev
Ñîîáùåíèé: 25
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 6
ChakaKhan *
2 ãîäà íàçàä èñêàëè ïåðâè÷íûé ãèïåðïàðàòèðåîç,íå íàøëè, ïàðàòãîðìîí áûë ïîâûøåí â 2 ðàçà,óðîâåíü êàëüöèÿ â êðîâè â äèíàìèêå -íîðìàëüíûé,êàëüöèé â ìî÷å íå äåëàëè,êðåàòèíèí ñåé÷àñ 98,ðàíåå äî 130,âèòàìèí Ä ñäåëàí íà ÷èñòîì ôîíå â ñàìîé óâàæàåìîé ëàáîðàòîðèè,(àõ êàêàÿ âåðñèÿ ïðî âòîðè÷íûé ãèïåðïàðàòèðåîç íà ôîíå íåõâàòêè âèòàìèíà Ä íàêðûëàñü)Íàçíà÷èëà êàëüöèé,è àëåíäðó ðàç â íåäåëþ(îáåùàëè ïîë ÷àñà ïîñòîÿòü):äðóãèå ïðèíèìàåìûå ïðåïàðàòû ,àñïèðèí, âåðîøïèðîí, ýíàëàïðèë,êîíêîð-êîð.
À ÷òî äðóãîå î÷åíü äîðîãî? (ó ïàöèåíòêè õîðîøèå ôèíàíñîâûå âîçìîæíîñòè). Âñåì ñïàñèáî.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #6  
Ñòàðûé 31.07.2012, 06:53
Àâàòàð äëÿ FilippovaYulia
FilippovaYulia FilippovaYulia âíå ôîðóìà
ÂÐÀ×
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 30.01.2011
Ãîðîä: Âîëãîãðàä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15,438
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 17
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 6,376 ðàç(à) çà 6,132 ñîîáùåíèé
FilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåFilippovaYulia ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
È åùå îäèí âîïðîñ - ìû-òî ïàöèåíòêó íå ÂÈÄÈÌ - Êóøèíã èñêëþ÷åí?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 04.08.2012, 16:00
camelot camelot âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 28.08.2010
Ãîðîä: ×åëÿáèíñê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,628
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 171
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 477 ðàç(à) çà 471 ñîîáùåíèé
camelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåcamelot ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âåðñèÿ ñ íåõâàòêîé âèòàìèíà ä3 íå íàêðûëàñü.Ìîæåò áûòü íîðìàëüíûé óðîâåíü25(oh)d3 ïðè ïîíèæåííîì óðîâíå 1,25(oh)2d3 - ïðîâåðüòå, êàêîé ïàðàìåòð ïðîâåðÿëñÿ.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 11.08.2012, 16:30
LVS LVS âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Íà÷èíàþùèé ó÷àñòíèê
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 02.07.2012
Ãîðîä: ÑÏá
Ñîîáùåíèé: 78
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 14
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 2 ðàç(à) çà 2 ñîîáùåíèé
LVS ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê ïîëîæèòåëüíî õàðàêòåðèçóåòñÿ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò camelot Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
Âåðñèÿ ñ íåõâàòêîé âèòàìèíà ä3 íå íàêðûëàñü.Ìîæåò áûòü íîðìàëüíûé óðîâåíü25(oh)d3 ïðè ïîíèæåííîì óðîâíå 1,25(oh)2d3 - ïðîâåðüòå, êàêîé ïàðàìåòð ïðîâåðÿëñÿ.
Íàñêîëüêî ìíå èçâåñòíî, ñîãëàñíî ðåêîìåíäàöèÿì:
25(OH)D is the major circulating form of vitamin D, with a circulating half-life of 2–3 wk, and it is the best indicator to monitor for vitamin D status (3, 8,
25, 54, 56). The circulating half-life of 1,25(OH)2D is approximately 4 h. It circulates at 1000 times lower concentration than 25(OH)D, and the blood
level is tightly regulated by serum levels of PTH, calcium, and phosphate. Serum 1,25(OH)2D does not reflect vitamin D reserves, and measurement of1,25(OH)2D is not useful for monitoring the vitamin D status of patients. Serum 1,25(OH)2D is frequently either normal or even elevated in those with vitamin D deficiency, due to secondary hyperparathyroidism.
Thus, 1,25(OH)2D measurement does not reflect vitamin D status. Measurement of 1,25(OH)2D is useful in acquired and inherited disorders in the metabolism of 25(OH)D and phosphate, including
chronic kidney disease, hereditary phosphate-losing disorders, oncogenic osteomalacia, pseudovitamin D-deficiency rickets, vitamin D-resistant rickets, as well as chronic granuloma forming disorders such as
sarcoidosis and some lymphomas.
Âðîäå íè÷åãî èç âûøåïåðå÷èñëåííîãî ó ïàöèåíòêè íå ïîäîçðåâàåì. Èëè âñå-òàêè ïðîáóåì íàéòè íåôðîãåííóþ îñòåîìàëÿöèþ?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 03.09.2012, 17:55
Kery Kery âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 14.11.2010
Ãîðîä: Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 159
Ñêàçàë(à) ñïàñèáî: 19
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 4 ðàç(à) çà 4 ñîîáùåíèé
Kery ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò îòëè÷íóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ß áû åùå öåëèàêèþ ïîèñêàëà...Áûëè ó íàñ òàêèå ïàöèåíòû ëîìàííûå -ïåðåëîìàííûå ñ íàðóøåíèåì ýíòåðàëüíîãî âñàñûâàíèÿ íà ôîíå àòðîôè÷åñêèõ èçìåíåíèé ñëèçèñòîé îáîëî÷êè. È ïàðàòèðåîèäíûé ãîðìîí ó íèõ òîæå âûñî÷åííûé áûë (êîìïåíñàòîðíî), ÷òî ïîääåðæèâàëî êàëüöèé â ïðåäåëàõ íîðìàëüíûõ çíà÷åíèé. "Îïîðíàÿ ôóíêöèÿ ñêåëåòà ïðèíîñèòñÿ â æåðòâó ìåòàáîëè÷åñêîé"...åñëè ìîæíî òàê ñêàçàòü.
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