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Ôîðóì äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé íåâðîëîãîâ è íåéðîõèðóðãîâ Ôîðóì ïðåäíàçíà÷åí äëÿ îáùåíèÿ âðà÷åé ìåæäó ñîáîé.

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Íåéðîïðîòåêòîðû ïðè èíñóëüòå. Îáñóæäåíèå.

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Ñîîáùåíèå îò thorn
- èøåìèÿ
- äåïîëÿðèçàöèÿ ïðåñèíàïòè÷åñêîãî íåéðîíà
- àêòèâàöèÿ Na+ K+ – ïîìïû
- âûñâîáîæäåíèå ýêñàéòîòîêñè÷íûõ àìèíîêèñëîò: ãëóòàìàòà, àñïàðòàòà, -- ãëèöèíà, òàóðèíà
- àêòèâàöèÿ NMDA-ðåöåïòîðîâ, AMPA-ðåöåïòîðîâ
- íàêîïëåíèå Ca2+ â êëåòêå
- àêòèâàöèÿ âíóòðèêëåòî÷íûõ ôåðìåíòîâ
- ïîâûøåíèå ñèíòåçà NO è ðàçâèòèå îêñèäàíòíîãî ñòðåññà
- ïîâðåæäåíèå êëåòêè ôåðìåíòàìè è ïðîäóêòàìè ìåòàáîëèçìà (ñâîáîäíûå ðàäèêàëû)
- ðåàêöèè ìåñòíîãî âîñïàëåíèÿ, ìèêðîâàñêóëÿðíûå íàðóøåíèÿ, ïîâðåæäåíèå ÃÝÁ

Danton GH, Dalton Dietrich W. The Search for Neuroprotective Strategies in Stroke. AJNR Am J Neuroradiol 2004 25:181–194. [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

Óâàæàåìûé Êîíñòàíòèí. Ýòî îäíî èç îñíîâíûõ çàáëóæäåíèé - ïûòàòüñÿ âîçäåéñòâîâàòü íà ôèçèîëîãè÷åñêèå ïðîöåññû (ñì.âûøå). Ñåëåêòèâíîãî äåéñòâèÿ íà ýòè ïðîöåññû â î÷àãå ïîðàæåíèÿ äîñòèãíóòü íåâîçìîæíî, à, çíà÷èò, äàëåå òîëüêî âðåä îò ïîïûòîê êîððåêöèè. Ïîýòîìó ïîêà íå ñóùåñòâóåò íè îäíîãî ýôôåêòèâíîãî íåéðîïðîòåêòîðà. À åñëè è áóäåò, òî ýòî ïðåïàðàò äîëæåí áûòü ñ ïîëèêîìïîíåíòíûì è ñåëåêòèâíûì äåéñòâèåì â î÷àãå ïîðàæåíèÿ. Ýòî âñå äàâíî óæå îáñóæäåíî. Åñëè åñòü âîïðîñû, äàâàéòå îáñóäèì.
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Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò efns
Ýòî îäíî èç îñíîâíûõ çàáëóæäåíèé - ïûòàòüñÿ âîçäåéñòâîâàòü íà ôèçèîëîãè÷åñêèå ïðîöåññû (ñì.âûøå).
Î÷åíü âîçìîæíî, íî ñõåìó "èøåìè÷åñêîãî êàñêàäà" ÿ ïðèâåë òîëüêî äëÿ áîëåå óäîáíîãî âîñïðèÿòèÿ ìàòåðèàëà.
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò efns
Ñåëåêòèâíîãî äåéñòâèÿ íà ýòè ïðîöåññû â î÷àãå ïîðàæåíèÿ äîñòèãíóòü íåâîçìîæíî, à, çíà÷èò, äàëåå òîëüêî âðåä îò ïîïûòîê êîððåêöèè. Ïîýòîìó ïîêà íå ñóùåñòâóåò íè îäíîãî ýôôåêòèâíîãî íåéðîïðîòåêòîðà.
Êàê ðàç ñåëåêòèâíûå ïðåïàðàòû áûëè ñîçäàíû, òîëêó íå áûëî. Òåìà î òîì, ïî÷åìó íåò äî ñèõ ïîð íè îäíîãî êëèíè÷åñêè ýôôåêòèâíîãî íåéðîïðîòåêòîðà (ïðè òîì, ÷òî âñå èññëåäîâàâøèåñÿ ïðåïàðàòû áûëè ýôôåêòèâíû â ýêñïåðèìåíòå), IMHO, ñëèøêîì îáúåìíà è ñïåöèôè÷íà, è ïðåäñòàâëÿåò ñêîðåå àêàäåìè÷åñêèé èíòåðåñ. Åñòü ñåðüåçíûå îáçîðû ïî ýòîìó âîïðîñó, òåì êîìó ýòî èíòåðåñíî, íàâåðíÿêà â êóðñå.
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò efns
À åñëè è áóäåò, òî ýòî ïðåïàðàò äîëæåí áûòü ñ ïîëèêîìïîíåíòíûì è ñåëåêòèâíûì äåéñòâèåì â î÷àãå ïîðàæåíèÿ.
Íå ñîâñåì ïîíÿë î ïîëèêîìïîíåíòíîì è ñåëåêòèâíîì äåéñòâèè îäíîâðåìåííî… Ïîëèêîìïîíåíòíîé áûëà ìàãíåçèÿ… Ýòî áûëà åå ôè÷à...
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 15.05.2006, 16:02
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efns ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåefns ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
íåéðîïðîòåêòîðû

Öèòàòà:
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Î÷åíü âîçìîæíî, íî ñõåìó "èøåìè÷åñêîãî êàñêàäà" ÿ ïðèâåë òîëüêî äëÿ áîëåå óäîáíîãî âîñïðèÿòèÿ ìàòåðèàëà. Êàê ðàç ñåëåêòèâíûå ïðåïàðàòû áûëè ñîçäàíû, òîëêó íå áûëî. Òåìà î òîì, ïî÷åìó íåò äî ñèõ ïîð íè îäíîãî êëèíè÷åñêè ýôôåêòèâíîãî íåéðîïðîòåêòîðà (ïðè òîì, ÷òî âñå èññëåäîâàâøèåñÿ ïðåïàðàòû áûëè ýôôåêòèâíû â ýêñïåðèìåíòå), IMHO, ñëèøêîì îáúåìíà è ñïåöèôè÷íà, è ïðåäñòàâëÿåò ñêîðåå àêàäåìè÷åñêèé èíòåðåñ. Åñòü ñåðüåçíûå îáçîðû ïî ýòîìó âîïðîñó, òåì êîìó ýòî èíòåðåñíî, íàâåðíÿêà â êóðñå.
Íå ñîâñåì ïîíÿë î ïîëèêîìïîíåíòíîì è ñåëåêòèâíîì äåéñòâèè îäíîâðåìåííî… Ïîëèêîìïîíåíòíîé áûëà ìàãíåçèÿ… Ýòî áûëà åå ôè÷à...
Óâàæàåìûé Êîíñòàíòèí. Âû íå ïîíÿëè - íå áûëî åùå ïîêà ñîçäàíî íè îäíîãî íåéðîñåëåêòèâíîãî ïðåïàðàòà-ïðîòåêòîðà. Ò.Å êîòîðûé ðàáîòàë áû ñåëåêòèâíî, íàïðèìåð, â çîíå èíôàðêòà ëîáíîé äîëè ñëåâà (è òîëüêî)! Âû ëþáîé ïðåïàðàò ââîäèòå ëèáî â/â, ëèáî âíóòðü è òä .ò.å. äåéñòâèå åãî ñèñòåìíîå. Äàëåå, åñëè îí çàáëîêèðóåò, íàïðèìåð, ñâîáîäíîðàäèêàëüíûå ïðîöåññû, òî âî âñåì îðãàíèçìå, ýêñàéòîòîêñè÷åñêèå - âî âñåì ìîçãå , àïîïòîç âåçäå çàáëîêèðóåò, NO è òä - ýòî ñìåðòü. È ñàìîå ãëàâíîå, ýòî âñå åñòü ôèçèîëîãè÷åñêèå ïðîöåññû è â íåïîâðåæäåííûõ îðãàíàõ è ñèñòåìàõ îíè ïðèíîñÿò ïîëüçó è îáåñïå÷èâàþò æèçíåäåÿòåëüíîñòü îðãàíèçìà. Ìåõàíèçìû ïîâðåæäåíèÿ ìîçãà ìíîãîãðàííû, èõ íàäî áûñòðî è îäíîâðåìåííî áëîêèðîâàòü (ýòî íè îäíà ïðîáîèíà â ëîäêå), ïîýòîìó è ïðåïàðàò äîëæåí áûòü ïîëèêîìïîíåíòíûì, ÷òîáû âîçäåéñòâîâàòü ÑÅËÅÊÒÈÂÍÎ íà âñå ìåõàíèçìû ïîâðåæäåíèÿ. Ïîýòîìó íåéðîïðîòåêöèÿ äåëî äàëåêîãî áóäóùåãî. Èøåìè÷åñêèé êàñêàä çäåñü êàê ðàç êñòàòè. Íåò ñîìíåíèÿ, ÷òî âñå ïðèâåäåííûå äàííûå âàæíû äëÿ âðà÷åé, íó è , êîíå÷íî, êàêîé-ëèáî ýôôåêòèâíîñòè îò ïåðå÷èñëåííûõ ïðåïàðàòîâ æäàòü òðóäíî. ÎÄèí â ïîëå íå âîèí.Îñîáîå ìåñòî ñðåäè íèõ çàíèìàåò ïî "ýôôåêòèâíîñòè" ýóôèëèí è êàâèíòîí.

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Ñòàðûé 16.05.2006, 21:49
EVP EVP âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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EVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Neurology & Neurosurgery, April 2006 Journal Scan

From
JAMA
April 2006 ( Volume 295, Number 14 )

Researchers Focus on Improving Treatments for Acute Ischemic Stroke
Mitka M
JAMA. 2006;295(14):1629-1631

Overview

At present, tissue plasminogen activator (t-PA) is the only drug approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use in the treatment of acute ischemic stroke. Since the approval of t-PA in 1996, no other medical therapy has received authorization from the FDA, and only 1 mechanical technique for clot retrieval has been approved (Merci Retriever, Concentric Medical, Mountain View, California). The seemingly slow progress in the field of acute stroke treatment has prompted some to ask, What does the future hold? At this year's annual International Stroke Conference, sponsored by the American Stroke Association, several studies were presented describing the anticipated future of acute stroke treatment.

Intra-arterial Therapy

Kim and colleagues presented data showing that intra-arterial delivery of t-PA to the site of the blood clot for up to 8 hours after stroke onset produced dramatic improvements in selected patients. The retrospective analysis revealed that in patients treated with intra-arterial t-PA, 27% demonstrated dramatic improvement at 24 hours following the stroke onset. Notably, the patients who achieved a substantial early recovery had better long-term outcomes than the patients who did not exhibit a significant early functional recovery. The high responders exhibited several favorable outcomes, including: (1) they were less likely to have symptomatic intracerebral hemorrhage (3% vs 18%); (2) they were more likely to survive the stroke (90% vs 74%); and (3) they were more likely to have an excellent functional outcome (72% vs 23%).

Intravenous and Intra-arterial Therapy With Sonothrombolysis

The results of the Interventional Management of Stroke (IMS-II) pilot study revealed improved outcomes in patients with acute ischemic stroke who were treated with a combination of intravenous and intra-arterial t-PA in addition to ultrasound therapy to break up stroke-related blood clots. In total, 73 patients (aged 18 to 80 years) were given a lower than standard dose of t-PA intravenously during a 30-minute period within the 3-hour window after the stroke onset. Subsequently, the patients underwent cerebral angiography, and 21 were found not to have a visible/treatable clot. The remaining patients were given intra-arterial therapy, and 34 received low-energy ultrasound treatment at the site of the clot. The results of the study demonstrate that 69% of patients who received intra-arterial thrombolysis in conjunction with ultrasound therapy exhibited partial or complete recanalization compared with 55% of the patients from the previous trial (IMS-I) who were treated with intra-arterial therapy alone. Notably, although both trials had the same mortality rate (16%), nearly twice as many patients had an intracerebral hemorrhage in IMS-II (11%) when compared to IMS-I (6%).

Neuroprotection

Neuroprotective strategies are linked to the concept of the ischemic penumbra and to the notion that neuronal tissue injury may be reversible if adequate blood flow is restored and the damage from free radical formation is limited. The results of the Stroke-Acute Ischemic NXY Treatment (SAINT I) trial (Lees KR, et al. N Engl J Med. 2006;354:588-600) demonstrated that the administration of a free radial trapping agent, NXY-059, within 6 hours of stroke onset in conjunction with intravenous t-PA (presenting within 3 hours of stroke onset) resulted in reduced disability at 90 days. The patients who received the experimental agent were 20% more likely to be less disabled 3 months after the stroke when compared to the placebo group. In addition, the patients who received NXY-059 were less likely to develop hemorrhagic conversion of the preexisting ischemic stroke (15.4%) when compared to the patients on standard therapy (27.3%). And finally, NXY-059 appeared to be associated with a reduction in the risk of symptomatic intracerebral hemorrhage (6.4% to 2.5%). Notably, although the drug successfully reduced disability at 90 days (the primary endpoint), it did not significantly improve other outcome measures such as neurologic function.

Imaging

The Diffusion-Weighted Imaging Evaluation for Understanding Stroke Evolution (DEFUSE) study was designed to assess whether magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) can identify subgroups of patients who might benefit from early reperfusion strategies. The researchers reviewed MRIs obtained from 74 consecutive acute ischemic stroke patients immediately before and approximately 4 hours after administration of intra-venous t-PA. The scans were analyzed for areas of mismatch (defined as tissue at risk greater than 120% of the tissue already damaged). The findings revealed that out of the patients with a mismatch, 47% who were able to achieve recanalization had a good outcome at 30 days when compared to 8% of the patients who had a mismatch but were unable to achieve recanalization. Not surprisingly, the patients without a mismatch did not benefit from recanalization.

Comment

Future research in acute stroke therapy appears to be focused on a multimodality approach and developing methods to correctly identify select patients who might benefit from different treatments options within different time windows.
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Ñòàðûé 23.05.2007, 00:00
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dreammagician *
Unfortunately, after very promising results in the first clinical trial (Saint-1) using NXY-059 for the amelioration of stroke-induced injury and disability, the second NXY-059 trial (Saint-2) failed
Íó ýòî òàê ê ñëîâó...À òåïåðü î äåëå.
Äà è êî âñåìó ïðî÷åìó, ãîñïîäà, à ïî÷åìó íóæíî ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ îäíèì íåéðîïðîòåêòîðîì!Ïîêà ïîíÿòèå-íåéðîïðîòåêòîðíàÿ òåðàïèÿ íå îòìåíÿëè, à êîìïëåêñíîå èñïîëüçîâàíèå íåêîíêóðåíòíîãî àíòàãîíèñòà NMDA-Ñåðíðêèñëîé ìàãíåçèè(îáëàäàåò ñïîñîáíîñòüþ èíãèáèðîâàòü ïîòåíöèàë-çàâèñèìûå êàíàëû), òîðìîçíîãî íåéðîòðàíñìèòòåðà – ãëèöèí,
àíòèãèïîêñàíòà – ìåêñèäîëà(îáëàäàåò ïðÿìûì ýíåðãåòèçèðóþùèì äåéñòâèåì, ñâÿçàííûì ñ àêòèâàöèåé ðàáîòû äûõàòåëüíîé öåïè), íåéðîïåïòèä – ñåìàêñ(îáëàäàåò âûðàæåííûì íîîòðîïíûì ýôôåêòîì), íåéðîòðîôè÷åñêîãî ïðåïàðàòà – öåðåáðîëèçèíà, êîìïëåêñíîãî íåéðîïðîòåêòîðíîãî ïðåïàðàòà – öèòîôëàâèíà(â ñîñòàâ âõîäèò: ÿíòàðíàÿ êèñëîòà, èíîçèí, íèêîòèíàìèä, ðèáîôëàâèíà ìîíîíóêëåîòèä íàòðèÿ äàåò î÷åíü äàæå íå ïëîõèå ðåçóëüòàòû.
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Ñòàðûé 23.05.2007, 06:42
Àâàòàð äëÿ riltsov
riltsov riltsov âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
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riltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåriltsov ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò dreammagician
Äà è êî âñåìó ïðî÷åìó, ãîñïîäà, à ïî÷åìó íóæíî ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ îäíèì íåéðîïðîòåêòîðîì! Ïîêà ïîíÿòèå-íåéðîïðîòåêòîðíàÿ òåðàïèÿ íå îòìåíÿëè,
Ïîíÿòèå íåéðîïðîòåêòîðíàÿ òåðàïèÿ ïðè èíñóëüòå óæå äàâíî îòìåíåíî.

Âî â÷åðàøíåì íîìåðå æóðíàëà Circulation îïóáëèêîâàíû íîâûå ðåêîìåíäàöèè ïî ëå÷åíèþ èíñóëüòà - [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ].
Âûâîä î íåéðîïðîòåêòîðàõ òàì îäíîçíà÷íûé -
Öèòàòà:
At present, no intervention with putative neuroprotective actions has been established as effective in improving outcomes after stroke, and therefore none currently can be recommended (Class III, Level of Evidence A). This recommendation has not changed from previous guidelines.
Íåýôôåêòèâíîñòü ìàãíåçèè ïðè ëå÷åíèè èíñóëüòà äîêàçàíà. Öèòàòà èç âûøåóêàçàííîãî ãàéäà-
Öèòàòà:
Magnesium has been tested in a series of clinical studies. Although preliminary studies showed that magnesium was well tolerated and might improve outcomes, a subsequent larger clinical trial was negative.553–556
Íåýôôåêòèâíîñòü öåðåáðîëèçèíà ïðè ëå÷åíèè èíñóëüòà äîêàçàíà.
Öèòàòà:
Neuroprotective treatment with Cerebrolysin in patients with acute stroke: a randomised controlled trial. G. Ladurner1, P. Kalvach2, H. Moessler3, and the Cerebrolysin Study Group4 J Neural Transm (2005) 112: 415–428
Patients with acute stroke were randomized within 24 h of stroke onset to IV therapy with placebo or Cerebrolysin 50mL=day for 21 days.

Patients in the Cerebrolysin group had no significant improvement in the CNS score, the Barthel Index and the Clinical Global Impressions when compared to the placebo group. A significant improvement of cognitive function of the patients on Cerebrolysin was observed in the Syndrome Short Test when compared to the placebo group. Cerebrolysin was well tolerated and safe.

Ïî- ðóññêè. Ïî 50 ìë âëèâàëè â âåíó öåðåáðîëèçèí. Íåâðîëîãè÷åñêèå ïðèçíàêè èíñóëüòà íå ðåãðåññèðîâàëè áûñòðåå íà òàêîé òåðàïèè. Îòìå÷åíî ïîëîæèòåëüíîå âëèÿíèå íà êîãíèòèâíûå ôóíêöèè.
Ýôôåêòèâíîñòü ãëèöèíà, öèòîôëàâèíà è ñåìàêñà íå äîêàçàíà. Åñëè ýòî íå òàê, ïðèâåäèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ññûëêè íà èññëåäîâàíèÿ.

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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Ñòàðûé 12.07.2007, 22:23
dreammagician dreammagician âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âðà÷-ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
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Âû ìåíÿ êîíå÷íî èçâåíèòå, áåäíîãî è ãëóïîãî ñòóäåíòà,êîòîðûé èíòåðèñóåòñÿ íåâðîëîãèåé, íî âñ¸ æå...
Ìåíÿ òóò ïðî èññëåäîâàíèÿ ñïðàøèâàëè, íó òàê âîò ïîæàëóéñòà:
1)ìàãíåçèÿ - FAST-MAG (The field Administration of Stroke Therapy - Magnesium)
2)ãëèöèí - Ãóñåâ, Ñêâîðöîâà ÐÃÌÓ 1992/1997 ïàòåíò¹282398
3)ñåìàêñ - Ãóñåâ, Ñêâîðöîâà ÐÃÌÓ 1997/1999 ïàòåíò¹2124365, 2002/2005 ïàòåíò ¹ 2251429
Äà è âîò ÷òî åù¸-åñëè âñ¸ ýòî åðåñü, òî êàêîâ âààùå ñìûñë òåðàïèè. Âåäü òîãäà ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñå ìîæíî îáîñíîâàòü â òåðàïèè àíåêäîòîì-ïîãîâîðêîé:"Áîëüíîé íóæäàåòñÿ â óõîäå âðà÷à, è ÷åì äàëüøå óéäåò âðà÷-òåì ëó÷øå äëÿ áîëüíîãî!". È âïåðåä íà ôèëèïïèíû ê õèëëåðàì, è ê áàáóøêàì-öåëèòåëÿì....Áóäó î÷åíü áëàãîäàðåí åñëè ìåíÿ ïîïðàâÿò â êàêèõ-òî íåòî÷íîñòÿõ!
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Ñòàðûé 12.07.2007, 23:00
EVP EVP âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Âåòåðàí ôîðóìà
      
 
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EVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåEVP ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Íå òå êíèæêè ÷èòàåòå. Íà ôîðóìå åñòü ðàçäåë "ññûëêè", òåìà "äîêàçàòåëüíàÿ ìåäèöèíà". Íà÷íèòå ñ êíèãè "Ïóòåâîäèòåëü ÷èòàòåëÿ ìåä. ëèòåðàòóðû". À ãëèöèí è ñåìàêñ ïóñòü êóøàåò ñàì Ãóñåâ.
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Ñòàðûé 12.07.2007, 23:03
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad íà ôîðóìå
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Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
ÔàñòÌàã åùå íå çàêîí÷åí, òî èññëåäîâàíèå, êîòîðîå áûëî îïóáëèêîâàíî â 2004 â Stroke. 2004 May;35(5):e106-8 áûëî ïèëîòíûì è ïîêàçàëî ðåàëüíîñòü ââåäåíèÿ ìàãíåçèé ïàðàìåäèêàìè â ïåðâûå 1-2 ÷àñà ïîñëå èíñóëüòà è åå áåçîïàñíîñòü. Ïîäðîáíî îá èäóùåì èññëåäîâàíèè ìîæíî óçíàòü [Ññûëêè äîñòóïíû òîëüêî çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûì ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì ]

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Ïî îòå÷åñòâåííûì ïàòåíòàì - íåò ñëîâ: íåò äîâåðèÿ ñòðàíå, ãäå â ãåîìåòðè÷åñêîé ïðîãðåññèè ÁÀÄû ðåãèñòðèðóþò è ïðîäàþò ïîä âèäîì èñöåëÿþùèõ ëåêàðñòâ, à íàñåëåíèå âñå ðàâíî âûìèðàåò êàê ìàìîíò...

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Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
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Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.
Dr. Dr. âíå ôîðóìà
Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
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Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò dreammagician
Âû ìåíÿ êîíå÷íî èçâåíèòå, áåäíîãî è ãëóïîãî ñòóäåíòà,êîòîðûé èíòåðèñóåòñÿ íåâðîëîãèåé, íî âñ¸ æå...
Ìåíÿ òóò ïðî èññëåäîâàíèÿ ñïðàøèâàëè, íó òàê âîò ïîæàëóéñòà:
1)ìàãíåçèÿ - FAST-MAG (The field Administration of Stroke Therapy - Magnesium)
2)ãëèöèí - Ãóñåâ, Ñêâîðöîâà ÐÃÌÓ 1992/1997 ïàòåíò¹282398
3)ñåìàêñ - Ãóñåâ, Ñêâîðöîâà ÐÃÌÓ 1997/1999 ïàòåíò¹2124365, 2002/2005 ïàòåíò ¹ 2251429
Äà è âîò ÷òî åù¸-åñëè âñ¸ ýòî åðåñü, òî êàêîâ âààùå ñìûñë òåðàïèè. Âåäü òîãäà ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñå ìîæíî îáîñíîâàòü â òåðàïèè àíåêäîòîì-ïîãîâîðêîé:"Áîëüíîé íóæäàåòñÿ â óõîäå âðà÷à, è ÷åì äàëüøå óéäåò âðà÷-òåì ëó÷øå äëÿ áîëüíîãî!". È âïåðåä íà ôèëèïïèíû ê õèëëåðàì, è ê áàáóøêàì-öåëèòåëÿì....Áóäó î÷åíü áëàãîäàðåí åñëè ìåíÿ ïîïðàâÿò â êàêèõ-òî íåòî÷íîñòÿõ!
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