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  #46  
Ñòàðûé 29.09.2006, 22:21
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,756
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,414 ðàç(à) çà 31,759 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Äëÿ ïèðàöåòàìà 4,8 â ñóòêè ïîêàçàí åãî àíòèàããðåãàöèîííûé ýôôåêò è äàæå åñòü íåáîëüøîå èññëåäîâàíèå äëÿ ïðîôèëàêòèêè ïîâòîðíîãî èíñóëüòà ïðîòèâ 600 ìã àñïèðèíà:

Evers S, Grotemeyer KH.
Piracetam and platelets--a review of laboratory and clinical data.
Pharmacopsychiatry. 1999 Mar;32 Suppl 1:44-8.

Stockmans F, Deberdt W, Nystrom A, Nystrom E, Stassen JM, Vermylen J, Deckmyn H.
Inhibitory effect of piracetam on platelet-rich thrombus formation in an animal model.
Thromb Haemost. 1998 Jan;79(1):222-7.

Grotemeyer KH, Evers S, Fischer M, Husstedt IW.
Piracetam versus acetylsalicylic acid in secondary stroke prophylaxis. A double-blind, randomized, parallel group, 2 year follow-up study.
J Neurol Sci. 2000 Dec 1;181(1-2):65-72.
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #47  
Ñòàðûé 29.09.2006, 23:11
Àâàòàð äëÿ amber_moon
amber_moon amber_moon âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 27.09.2006
Ãîðîä: Bunbury, Australia
Ñîîáùåíèé: 182
amber_moon ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåamber_moon ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåamber_moon ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåamber_moon ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåamber_moon ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåamber_moon ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåamber_moon ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåamber_moon ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Ïîëüçóÿñü ñëó÷àåì, õîòåëîñü áû ñïðîñèòü, ÷òî Âû äóìàåòå ïî ïîâîäó âîò ýòîãî?
British National Formulary 52 (ýòî - îòêóäà, ñîáñòâåííî, âçÿòî)

Ïðèâîæó òîëüêî ïîêàçàíèÿ è äîçû.

PIRACETAM
Indications: adjunctive treatment of cortical myoclonus

Dose:
Initially 7.2 g daily in 2–3 divided doses, increased according to response by 4.8 g daily every 3–4 days to max. 20 g daily (subsequently, attempts should be made to reduce dose of concurrent therapy); child under 16 years not recommended

Ýòî ÅÄÈÍÑÒÂÅÍÍÎÅ ëèöåíçèðîâàííîå ïîêàçàíèå äëÿ ïðèìåíåíèÿ ïèðàöåòàìà â Áðèòàíèè. Ñ ýòèì êîãäà ñòîëêíóëàñü òóò, òî ïîñëå ðàáîòû â ðîäíîé ïîñòñîâåòñêîé Óêðàèíå áûëà íåñêîëüêî ðàñòåðÿíà. Èëè ÿ ÷òî-òî íå òàê ïîíÿëà, êîëëåãè?
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #48  
Ñòàðûé 29.09.2006, 23:22
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.
Dr. Dr. âíå ôîðóìà
Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 29.07.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 10,123
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 446 ðàç(à) çà 427 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò amber_moon
Ïîëüçóÿñü ñëó÷àåì, õîòåëîñü áû ñïðîñèòü, ÷òî Âû äóìàåòå ïî ïîâîäó âîò ýòîãî?
British National Formulary 52 (ýòî - îòêóäà, ñîáñòâåííî, âçÿòî)

Ïðèâîæó òîëüêî ïîêàçàíèÿ è äîçû.

PIRACETAM
Indications: adjunctive treatment of cortical myoclonus

Dose:
Initially 7.2 g daily in 2–3 divided doses, increased according to response by 4.8 g daily every 3–4 days to max. 20 g daily (subsequently, attempts should be made to reduce dose of concurrent therapy); child under 16 years not recommended

Ýòî ÅÄÈÍÑÒÂÅÍÍÎÅ ëèöåíçèðîâàííîå ïîêàçàíèå äëÿ ïðèìåíåíèÿ ïèðàöåòàìà â Áðèòàíèè. Ñ ýòèì êîãäà ñòîëêíóëàñü òóò, òî ïîñëå ðàáîòû â ðîäíîé ïîñòñîâåòñêîé Óêðàèíå áûëà íåñêîëüêî ðàñòåðÿíà. Èëè ÿ ÷òî-òî íå òàê ïîíÿëà, êîëëåãè?
Òàê è åñòü, äëÿ ýòîãî è èñïîëüçóþò
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #49  
Ñòàðûé 29.09.2006, 23:25
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.
Dr. Dr. âíå ôîðóìà
Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 29.07.2004
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 10,123
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 446 ðàç(à) çà 427 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr. ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Öèòàòà:
Ñîîáùåíèå îò riltsov
Òîëüêî ÷òî ïî÷èòàë èññëåäîâàíèÿ íà îôèöèàëüíîì ñàéòå ôåíîòðîïèëà. Âñå èññëåäîâàíèÿ îòå÷åñòâåííûå, èõ êà÷åñòâî ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ ìíå ñîìíèòåëüíûì – ïàöèåíòîâ ìàëî, ñðîê èññëåäîâàíèé íåáîëüøîé, êîíå÷íûå òî÷êè ñóððîãàòíûå. È âîîáùå, íå äîâåðÿþ ÿ îòå÷åñòâåííûì èññëåäîâàíèÿì, ìåíÿ ñìóùàåò èõ íåèçìåííî ïðåâîñõîäíûé ðåçóëüòàò. Óäèâèòåëüíî, çà ÷òî íàø ÷åëîâåê íå âîçüìåòñÿ - âñ¸ ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, âñå ïðåïàðàòû è ìåòîäèêè ýôôåêòèâíû. Íè îäíîãî îòå÷åñòâåííîãî èññëåäîâàíèÿ ñ îòðèöàòåëüíûì ðåçóëüòàòîì ÿ íå âñòðå÷àë. Åñëè êòî âñòðå÷àë, ïîäåëèòåñü ññûëêîé, ïîæàëóéñòà, èíòåðåñíî ïîñìîòðåòü íà òàêóþ äèêîâèíó. ×åãî ÿ íå ìîãó ñêàçàòü îá èíîñòðàííûõ èññëåäîâàòåëÿõ, êîòîðûå ðåãóëÿðíî ïóáëèêóþò èññëåäîâàíèÿ ñ îòðèöàòåëüíûìè ðåçóëüòàòàìè.
ß áû òîæå ïî÷èòàë, íî èìåííî ïîýòîìó èõ è íå ÷èòàþ
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #50  
Ñòàðûé 29.09.2006, 23:34
Àâàòàð äëÿ Dr.Vad
Dr.Vad Dr.Vad âíå ôîðóìà
Ìîäåðàòîð ôîðóìà ïî ãåìàòîëîãèè
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 16.01.2003
Ãîðîä: Õüþñòîí, Òåõàñ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 80,756
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 33,414 ðàç(à) çà 31,759 ñîîáùåíèé
Dr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåDr.Vad ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
Âñå âåðíî: î÷åíü ìîæåò áûòü, ÷òî åùå çàâèñèò îò çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûõ ïîêàçàíèé â äàííîé ñòðàíå. Íåêîòîðûå ïóáëèêàöèè:

Epileptic Disord. 2000 Jun;2(2):99-105.
Piracetam and levetiracetam: close structural similarities but different pharmacological and clinical profiles.
Genton P, Van Vleymen B.
Centre Saint-Paul, Marseille, France.

Piracetam (PIR) and levetiracetam (LEV), an S-enantiomer, are pyrrolidone derivatives that share similar chemical structures but have distinct pharmacological profiles and consequently different clinical uses. Although the mode of action of neither drug has been fully elucidated, they do not interact with inhibitory or excitatory neurotransmission or alter membrane excitability. A brain-specific stereoselective binding site has been identified for which LEV and other S-enantiomers, but not PIR, have high affinity. In preclinical studies, PIR significantly improves learning and memory; in contrast, LEV has less effect but is much more active in preventing seizures. Both drugs have a high therapeutic index and are well tolerated. PIR, a nootropic drug, is used in the therapy of age-related cognitive disturbances and poststroke aphasia. Clinical experience has also shown that at high doses it is effective against cortical myoclonus. LEV is an antiepileptic drug. Clinical trials have confirmed its efficacy in partial seizures and preliminary findings suggest that it is also effective in generalized seizures and myoclonus.

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CNS Drug Rev. 2005 Summer;11(2):169-82.
Piracetam: a review of pharmacological properties and clinical uses.Winblad B.
Karolinska Institutet, Neurotec, Huddinge, University Hospital B 84, S-14186 Stockholm, Sweden.

Piracetam, a derivative of the neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), has a variety of physiological effects that may result, at least in part, from the restoration of cell membrane fluidity. At a neuronal level, piracetam modulates neurotransmission in a range of transmitter systems (including cholinergic and glutamatergic), has neuroprotective and anticonvulsant properties, and improves neuroplasticity. At a vascular level, it appears to reduce erythrocyte adhesion to vascular endothelium, hinder vasospasm, and facilitate microcirculation. This diverse range of physiological effects is consistent with its use in a range of clinical indications. Its efficacy is documented in cognitive disorders and dementia, vertigo, cortical myoclonus, dyslexia, and sickle cell anemia. While high doses are sometimes necessary, piracetam is well tolerated.

À â Øòàòàõ îí âîîáùå íå çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí...
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Èñêðåííå,
Âàäèì Âàëåðüåâè÷.
Îòâåòèòü ñ öèòèðîâàíèåì
  #51  
Ñòàðûé 13.03.2007, 09:50
Àâàòàð äëÿ Hard
Hard Hard âíå ôîðóìà ÂÐÀ×
Êàíäèäàò â âåòåðàíû ôîðóìà
      
 
Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ: 26.12.2002
Ãîðîä: Ìîñêâà - Los Angeles
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1,703
Ïîáëàãîäàðèëè 18 ðàç(à) çà 13 ñîîáùåíèé
Hard ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHard ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHard ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHard ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHard ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHard ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHard ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHard ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHard ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHard ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìåHard ýòîò ó÷àñòíèê èìååò ïðåâîñõîäíóþ ðåïóòàöèþ íà ôîðóìå
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